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CambridgeBi said:
Is it really any more stupid than your comment? Perhaps you're too stupid to see the irony of your position.
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Look at him try and run.
Keep verbally jabbing him in his stoopid face.
He’s got nothing. Finish him! Haha.
 
Going to be interesting watching how the new PM works out. I was actually moderately impressed by his bona fides until I saw he was advising Soy Boy on the Covid policy. The Truckers need to head to Ottawa again.
 
"Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.

The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.

There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do - to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world - is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe - the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry - before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.

At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional - the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be ... atmospheric.

At some point someone - a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin - will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.

The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect - that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fueled by his ill-judged tax policies - he won't replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes - and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants - finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so - will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing "tough things" to
"restore order?"

Some won't, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.

All of this will wash over Canada in various ways - some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.

All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them."

Andrew Coyne
Globe & Mail
( canada’s most respected conservative news source)
 
Lance_Castro said:
"Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.


The candidate out on bail in four


jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.


There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do - to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world - is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.


The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe - the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry - before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.


At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional - the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be ... atmospheric.


At some point someone - a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin - will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.


The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect - that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.


Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fueled by his ill-judged tax policies - he won't replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes - and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants - finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so - will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.


We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing "tough things" to


"restore order?"


Some won't, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.


All of this will wash over Canada in various ways - some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.


All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them."


Andrew Coyne
Globe & Mail
( canada’s most respected conservative news source)
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Nvm, you don't like to actually follow forum rules
 
Bn2f said:
Cambridge isn’t here but Chloe is and she gave his post a thumbs up - take it up with her you pussy.
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It's true. Most of the American electorate did think voting Trump was the smart move. I did.

I do agree with (I would have said a lot, now I'll say some) of his domestic policies, absolutely, and I still do. Mass Deportations of illegals, 100%. Reducimg the size of the Federal Govt, absolutely. Closing down the Dept of Education? You betcha! Depoliticizing the FBI and DOJ? Essential. USAID? Well, it's obvious THAT was a Democratic Party slush fund from start to finish. Gut, terminate, investigate and prosecute. DOD? Needs someone like Hegseth to get rid of the bloat, fat, and woke bullshit. And the corruption, altho that will be hard. Return everything posssible to the States - 100%. There's a lot more, and I am all in favor of that.

However: that's a BIG HOWEVER: he has completely fucked up everything to do with our foreign relationships and allies, starting with Ukraine. Destroying relationships built over 70 years is absolutely retarded. Threatening Canada and Mexico FFS? CANADA? You have to be nuts to do that. Nobody could possible have a nicer neighbor than Canada. YOu don't fuck that over the way Trump has done. Ditto NATO. It may not be perfect, but it offers stability. International Trade Wars and tariffs? The last time we did that it led to the Great Depression and WW2.

THIS is where impeachment almost becomes a necessity, but the Democrats completely burned that possibility when they attempted to impeach Trump 1 and then propped an obviously incompetent Biden thru his 4 year term. And we'd have to impeach Vance, and then Johnson as well....that's not gonna happen. And we have to accept now that given the popularity of his domestic policies, barring a disaster, he's going to pick up more Senate seats in 2026 because his domestic policies ARE popular, and most Americabs don't gice a flying fuck for foreign affairs.

Our isolationist tendancies are strong......and with good reason, given all the American soldiers who have died in pointless interventions in the Middle East and Afghanistan, which we never needed to get into. Afghanistan? Use our B52's to flatten a few cities as a warning and leave it at that. Saddam? Well, he thought he had the green light. Leave the dude alone. He brought stability to Iraq. Ditto Assad and Ghaddafi. Clinton and Obama tried to do the same thing in Egypt but fortunately the Army stepped in. Anyhow, our very own oligarchs got us into those ones and they don't give a shit about how many lives they sacrifice and ruin. So yeah, buffalogurl for example demonstrates the reaction to that! We need to keep our noses out, but at the same time, there's an element of world stability that's important to maintain - and Trump is screwing that, regardless of how one views wussy Europeans. We forget there's a reason they're wussy these days - but that one's of the leash to, and when you let the Germans, Brits and French of the leash, well, junkyard pitbulls stand aside.....

Myself, I regret voting for Trump given what he is doing to Ukraine and they he's throwing the world into chaos, but at the same time I think Harris would have been just as bad for the USA in different ways, primarily domestically. "America First" resonates for a reason. Why the Democrats couldn't run a competent candidate...well, we all know why, they didn't have one, and they still don't.....

Anyhow, that's my first reaction....
 
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ChloeTzang said:
It's true. Most of the American electorate did think voting Trump was the smart move. I did.

I do agree with (I would have said a lot, now I'll say some) of his domestic policies, absolutely, and I still do. Mass Deportations of illegals, 100%. Reducimg the size of the Federal Govt, absolutely. Closing down the Dept of Education? You betcha! Depoliticizing the FBI and DOJ? Essential. USAID? Well, it's obvious THAT was a Democratic Party slush fund from start to finish. Gut, terminate, investigate and prosecute. DOD? Needs someone like Hegseth to get rid of the bloat, fat, and woke bullshit. And the corruption, altho that will be hard. Return everything posssible to the States - 100%. There's a lot more, and I am all in favor of that.

However: that's a BIG HOWEVER: he has completely fucked up everything to do with our foreign relationships and allies, starting with Ukraine. Destroying relationships built over 70 years is absolutely retarded. Threatening Canada and Mexico FFS? CANADA? You have to be nuts to do that. Nobody could possible have a nicer neighbor than Canada. YOu don't fuck that over the way Trump has done. Ditto NATO. It may not be perfect, but it offers stability. International Trade Wars and tariffs? The last time we did that it led to the Great Depression and WW2.

THIS is where impeachment almost becomes a necessity, but the Democrats completely burned that possibility when they attempted to impeach Trump 1 and then propped an obviously incompetent Biden thru his 4 year term. And we'd have to impeach Vance, and then Johnson as well....that's not gonna happen. And we have to accept now that given the popularity of his domestic policies, barring a disaster, he's going to pick up more Senate seats in 2026 because his domestic policies ARE popular, and most Americabs don't gice a flying fuck for foreign affairs. Our isolationist tendancies are strong......

Myself, I regret voting for Trump given what he is doing to Ukraine and they he's throwing the world into chaos, but at the same time I think Harris would have been just as bad for the USA in different ways, primarily domestically. "America First" resonates for a reason. Why the Democrats couldn't run a competent candidate...well, we all know why, they didn't have one, and they still don't.....

Anyhow, that's my first reaction....
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You may want to investigate what USAID was she did. Especially for foreign relationships.
I want to add that NATO article 5 was only pulled once. By the US.
 
ChloeTzang said:
It's true. Most of the American electorate did think voting Trump was the smart move. I did.

I do agree with (I would have said a lot, now I'll say some) of his domestic policies, absolutely, and I still do. Mass Deportations of illegals, 100%. Reducimg the size of the Federal Govt, absolutely. Closing down the Dept of Education? You betcha! Depoliticizing the FBI and DOJ? Essential. USAID? Well, it's obvious THAT was a Democratic Party slush fund from start to finish. Gut, terminate, investigate and prosecute. DOD? Needs someone like Hegseth to get rid of the bloat, fat, and woke bullshit. And the corruption, altho that will be hard. Return everything posssible to the States - 100%. There's a lot more, and I am all in favor of that.

However: that's a BIG HOWEVER: he has completely fucked up everything to do with our foreign relationships and allies, starting with Ukraine. Destroying relationships built over 70 years is absolutely retarded. Threatening Canada and Mexico FFS? CANADA? You have to be nuts to do that. Nobody could possible have a nicer neighbor than Canada. YOu don't fuck that over the way Trump has done. Ditto NATO. It may not be perfect, but it offers stability. International Trade Wars and tariffs? The last time we did that it led to the Great Depression and WW2.

THIS is where impeachment almost becomes a necessity, but the Democrats completely burned that possibility when they attempted to impeach Trump 1 and then propped an obviously incompetent Biden thru his 4 year term. And we'd have to impeach Vance, and then Johnson as well....that's not gonna happen. And we have to accept now that given the popularity of his domestic policies, barring a disaster, he's going to pick up more Senate seats in 2026 because his domestic policies ARE popular, and most Americabs don't gice a flying fuck for foreign affairs. Our isolationist tendancies are strong......

Myself, I regret voting for Trump given what he is doing to Ukraine and they he's throwing the world into chaos, but at the same time I think Harris would have been just as bad for the USA in different ways, primarily domestically. "America First" resonates for a reason. Why the Democrats couldn't run a competent candidate...well, we all know why, they didn't have one, and they still don't.....

Anyhow, that's my first reaction....
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Agree with you on most of this. Stop hand-wringing over foreign affairs. Trust me, when and if the real shooting starts, all those pearl clutching virtue signaling heads of state will be screaming for the U.S. to come bail their asses out of another world conflict. Everything else is posturing and preening now.

Having said all that, I know your ox is being gored with Ukraine. Lil’ Z was installed by prior regimes and has outlived his usefulness. Fix that and everything else falls in place. I feel for the Ukrainian people but we shouldn’t dump one more thin dime into that quagmire as long as Lil’ Z is in power. Here’s a good roadmap from the CFR…I disagree with a few of their bullets but overall it’s a start. This was dated 29Jan so some water has gone underneath the bridge but it is still valid.
 
Meekly_Anna said:
You may want to investigate what USAID was she did. Especially for foreign relationships.
I want to add that NATO article 5 was only pulled once. By the US.
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Yeah, and that aricle 5 wasn't really needed either. We could have flattened Kabul and a couple of other cities on general principles and left it at that as a warning
 
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