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query said:
Present the sequestered evidence out there for that tired untrue statement that 97% of all scientists agree that man-caused global warming is the threat that you chicken little types say.

It exactly like the 77 cents on the dollar crap we still hear even from the president of the united states. I do not have to refute a gratuitous statement that 97% of all scientists agree with you.

Show me a simple list of the scientists and their articles that the 97% study used. Show me which ones they claimed support your nonsensical view of the world and the 3% that didn't.

Some of you nuts claim it increases earthquakes. Do 97% believe that too?
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Wow. I would be pleased as punch to learn that 97% of scientists agree with me. I'm not sure where you got that fact from, since you neglected to provide any evidence. Since it's sequestered as you say, I don't see how you can make that claim.

Climate change is determined by the scientific method. If you wish to refute the claims of climate scientists, you must use scientific methods. Here is an example:

Antarctica and the surrounding ocean are covered in ice and snow. Some of the ice is melting and breaking off from the coastlines. In some areas of Antarctica the snow and ice are increasing. All of this is being measured in several ways. Satellite images produce area measurements, and core samples produce depth measurements.

Is there a net gain or loss of ice volume over time? It's a simple geometry problem, and the answer is that there is a net loss. There are people who are convinced that since it's increasing in one area, it cancels out all the losses elsewhere. All they have to do to prove that claim is show the math.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
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Where does that say that I said that you said I said that?

It simply was me stating that "I didn't say anyone said that." I then politely asked you to "show me where I said that someone said that."

And you haven't done that at all.
 
phrodeau said:
Wow. I would be pleased as punch to learn that 97% of scientists agree with me. I'm not sure where you got that fact from, since you neglected to provide any evidence. Since it's sequestered as you say, I don't see how you can make that claim.

Climate change is determined by the scientific method. If you wish to refute the claims of climate scientists, you must use scientific methods. Here is an example:

Antarctica and the surrounding ocean are covered in ice and snow. Some of the ice is melting and breaking off from the coastlines. In some areas of Antarctica the snow and ice are increasing. All of this is being measured in several ways. Satellite images produce area measurements, and core samples produce depth measurements.

Is there a net gain or loss of ice volume over time? It's a simple geometry problem, and the answer is that there is a net loss. There are people who are convinced that since it's increasing in one area, it cancels out all the losses elsewhere. All they have to do to prove that claim is show the math.
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You started this conversation directly responding to me responding to the 97% bullshit meme.

If you agree that there is no such quantified measure of consensus on the entire body of science relevant then we are in agreement.
 
query said:
You started this conversation directly responding to me responding to the 97% bullshit meme.

If you agree that there is no such quantified measure of consensus on the entire body of science relevant then we are in agreement.
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I responded to your silly post about a troll under a bridge. Excuse me for misconstruing your underlying metaphor. In fact, excuse me for responding to you at all.

If you want any further responses, try posting something scientific.
 
phrodeau said:
I responded to your silly post about a troll under a bridge. Excuse me for misconstruing your underlying metaphor. In fact, excuse me for responding to you at all.

If you want any further responses, try posting something scientific.
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Snippets of science doesn't begin to cover the complex system we call climate for even one particular part of the planet during one particular interval of time.

Drawing long term conclusions about these things from such snippets of science is as scientific as flipping through the farmer's almanac, that is much better at predicting weather trends.

I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is remarkably warmer now than during the ice age. So?

A much better question is what caused THAT level of temperature differential and when can we expect that again?

We can play this game for as long as the actuarial tables say we get before we each have to leave the planet. You will continue to feel validated with every Indian summer and twister and square meter of melted sea ice. You will continue to ignore science like the fact that dramatic CO2 escalations have had no consistently measurable warming. Round and round it goes. This is a religion for you and it is fine to believe in whatever fable you prefer for origin and extinction of the earth.

This is not something that you find interesting, intellectually. Not something you avidly read about. If something that confirms your bias comes your way- you will post it, otherwise it affects your life no more than mine.

Your interest in this is not so you can figure where and when to by mountain-top beach-side property. It is because you urgently need to believe that by virtue of your world view you are smarter than anyone that does not share it. You look for "You see??!??" moments. That's it. When responded to you pout and sulk and wait for another thing to post that you barely understand the significance or lack thereof.
 
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Well one thing is beyond any doubt. The planet will endure. The species living upon it may change, but the planet will endure.

The earth has been through multiple climate upheavals over its 4.5 billion year history, some super cold, some super warm, it has endured all of these. It will continue to do so.
 
magicalmoments said:
Well one thing is beyond any doubt. The planet will endure. The species living upon it may change, but the planet will endure.

The earth has been through multiple climate upheavals over its 4.5 billion year history, some super cold, some super warm, it has endured all of these. It will continue to do so.
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If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
 
BoyNextDoor said:
"Global warming is a hoax."http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-pantsonfire.gif


Among climate researchers most actively publishing scientific articles, at least 97 percent believe in anthropogenic climate change,
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Late to the party as per usual. Debunked at least twice in this thread alone, once by metaphor the other by concrete examples of why that is nonsense. Not gonna bother a third time. Sing with the choir. Try not to spindle the hymnals. They have been singing this tune 100 years. I expect they will need the sheet music a couple of hundred more.
 
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query said:
Where does that say that I said that you said I said that?

It simply was me stating that "I didn't say anyone said that." I then politely asked you to "show me where I said that someone said that."

And you haven't done that at all.
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In the quote I provided, where you said it.

Let's go from the other side and have you explain why you made that completely out of left field comment that had nothing to do with the conversation then. I'm speaking of the one I previously bolded.
 
query said:
Snippets of science doesn't begin to cover the complex system we call climate for even one particular part of the planet during one particular interval of time.*

Drawing long term conclusions about these things from such snippets of science is as scientific as flipping through the farmer's almanac, that is much better at predicting weather trends.*

I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is remarkably warmer now than during the ice age.* So?

A much better question is what caused THAT level of temperature differential and when can we expect that again?

We can play this game for as long as the actuarial tables say we get before we each have to leave the planet. You will continue to feel validated with every Indian summer and twister and square meter of melted sea ice. You will continue to ignore science like the fact that dramatic CO2 escalations have had no consistently measurable warming.* Round and round it goes. This is a religion for you and it is fine to believe in whatever fable you prefer for origin and extinction of the earth.

This is not something that you find interesting, intellectually. Not something you avidly read about. If something that confirms your bias comes your way- you will post it, otherwise it affects your life no more than mine.

Your interest in this is not so you can figure where and when to by mountain-top beach-side property. It is because you urgently need to believe that by virtue of your world view you are smarter than anyone that does not share it. You look for "You see??!??" moments. That's it. When responded to you pout and sulk and wait for another thing to post that you barely understand the significance or lack thereof.
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* Claims with no evidence.

The rest is ascription.
 
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