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I've been waiting for counter evidence for ages. What happened to Trysail and his "charts"?
 
Scandinavia which means Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark has had the hottest summer this summer for many many decades. In my dreams I look forward that also the forthcoming winter will be a very nice and "warm" winter without a lot of snow.
 
4est_4est_Gump said:
Is nutcase like denier?

:eek:

When you opened up and delved into the coding of the Glowball Warning models, what did you find? I found hard-coded corrections.

You see, the Navy trained me in meteorology, I majored in Computer Science and Mathematics and I worked at the university developing models for the telecommunications industry. The fact that you're able to access the web from your android was based upon our research. The models you follow, you follow in faith and they do not work, and never have. All they can do, much like the Historical School of Economics, is model a shadow of what happened in the past because we have yet to figure out how to model chaotic systems. We have trouble even identifying the bounds and the strange attractors.

That is why you are a True Believer. You liked the story line and now all you do is look for pop-science that reenforces your orthodoxy and belief. I would call you a nutcase, but the fact is that you are more, or less, no more than average, and the average are always convinced that they are something more and can identify something to believe in...

Just gimme something to believe in...
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There are quite a few years of data, not models, to look at. I'm sure you'd be able to provide a cite to data that shows climate is staying the same.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
There are quite a few years of data, not models, to look at. I'm sure you'd be able to provide a cite to data that shows climate is staying the same.
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Climate is site specific. No one thinks climate of any particular site does not vary. Variance is change. Is there a pattern to the variance? What are the factors that cause variance or the interval you study?

None of that is simple enough for anyone to give a reliable answer to.

I am sure you can provide a cite that will explain "climate" to me, tell me where and how to measure it and over what interval of time, and lastly provide a list of factors that I should include in a model to accurately predict what the "climate" will be like 5-10-50-100-1000 years into the future.

"Looking at data" tells you exactly NOTHING about how to extrapolate from the known past, what the unknown future will be like. If anyone "knew" that you could make vast sums of money buying options on real estate that are actionable during specific windows of time in the future. "Quite a few years of data" is half a blink in evolutionary scale.

You could buy oceanfront property now, miles from the present coast, or in the alternative by a small sliver of land somewhere and have a vast tract through accretion in the future.
 
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query said:
Climate is site specific. No one thinks climate of any particular site does not vary. Variance is change. Is there a pattern to the variance? What are the factors that cause variance or the interval you study?

None of that is simple enough for anyone to give a reliable answer to.

I am sure you can provide a cite that will explain "climate" to me, tell me where and how to measure it and over what interval of time, and lastly provide a list of factors that I should include in a model to accurately predict what the "climate" will be like 5-10-50-100-1000 years into the future.

"Looking at data" tells you exactly NOTHING about how to extrapolate from the known past, what the unknown future will be like. If anyone "knew" that you could make vast sums of money buying options on real estate that are actionable during specific windows of time in the future.

You could buy oceanfront property now, miles from the present coast, or in the alternative by a small sliver of land somewhere and have a vast tract through accretion in the future.
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Once again, you're ascribing a position I've never adopted.
 
phrodeau said:
Here is the text of the UAH news release issued with respect to the July data.


Global climate trend since Nov. 16, 1978: +0.14 C per decade

July temperatures (preliminary)

Global composite temp.: +0.31 C (about 0.56 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.

Northern Hemisphere: +0.29 C (about 0.52 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.

Southern Hemisphere: +0.32 C (about 0.58 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.

Tropics: +0.45 C (about 0.81 degrees Fahrenheit) above 30-year average for July.


June temperatures (revised):

Global Composite: +0.31 C above 30-year average

Northern Hemisphere: +0.32 C above 30-year average

Southern Hemisphere: +0.30 C above 30-year average

Tropics: +0.51 C above 30-year average

(All temperature anomalies are based on a 30-year average (1981-2010) for the month reported.)


Notes on data released August 5, 2014:

In the tropics, July 2014 was the second warmest July in the 36-year satellite record, only 0.03 C cooler than July 2009 and 0.06 C warmer than July 1998, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville.
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phrodeau said:
I've been waiting for counter evidence for ages. What happened to Trysail and his "charts"?
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Counter evidence to what? That anecdotal, ever more accurate readings when assuming that the baseline readings are accurate show a miniscule, barely registering, and certainly not something a human, animal or plant can discern unaided by intruments?

That during this time Co2 has risen precipitously with no precipitous rise in temperature?

You give data...I accept it for whatever it is...your data doesn't support a conclusion of any import.

It arguably (if it was over a longer period) proves the opposite of what you hope to show.

Climate change when and if it becomes a concern for humankind is not measured over such short periods of time....and 1/3 of a degree does not have me sweating.
 
SgtSpiderMan said:
I'll bite. Show me where I made that my claim.
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Pretend I am responding to someone entirely different than you and you have zero access to prior posts. There is plenty to respond to if you so choose. Or not.
 
God never told mankind not to crap in the well. It's something we had to use our brains to figure out.

Use your brains.
 
phrodeau said:
God never told mankind not to crap in the well. It's something we had to use our brains to figure out.

Use your brains.
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On the other hand, lets say we begin to enter an ice age...Is it then Ok with God if we use our brains and pump out massive CO2 to warm the planet? Would that for sure work?
 
query said:
On the other hand, lets say we begin to enter an ice age...Is it then Ok with God if we use our brains and pump out massive CO2 to warm the planet? Would that for sure work?
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No it wouldn't, because there are too many pig-headed people who would refuse to allow such a project to get off the ground.

(By the way, 0.52 is more than 1/2, not 1/3.)
 
query said:
But, but...~sputter~ Science!

SssssSettled SCIENCE, I tell you.

You obviously get your talking points form faux "news" and those so-called "scientists" that everyone with half a brain knows are funded by Big Oil so they can continue to kill the planet, making it uninhabitable for ay living things...

Once again I will explain it to you 4st. I will use small words...

There was a group of researchers. These are people paid with government grant money so you know they are the best and smartest and most pure people on the planet...or at least in New Zealand, (or was it Australia?) No matter...

What these researchers who were not scientists, much less climatologists but did go to an actual university did was of earth-mending importance.

They "researched" the "research.' I'm pretty sure a smart phone and Google was involved so as you know this was high tech reliable shit.

They sorted through the research looking for bias confirmation...I mean "facts."

Any scholarly sounding paper that yielded a sentence or two that they themselves deemed to support their religion, I mean scientific worldview, was added to the stack of "confirms" this nebulous concept of "climate change." Basically if it had a graph that went up or down or measured Co2 or had hot or cold in the body of work.

What they found was taking a UD-like highlighter to a half a sentence here or there, or lifting a phrase Phrodeau style one could bastardize....I mean draw totally scientific conclusions in support of climate change from 97% of everything they googled...I mean laboriously peer-reviewed.

Do not listen to any of the actual scientist-authors of those papers in the 97% confirmed stack. Any conclusions written into those paper that counter the religion...I mean science...of climate change and any protestations at being included in the 97% are not to be believed. Who are you gonna believe? You lying eyes? Yeah, that's what Big Oil tells you to do, huh?

The 97% study and its actual foundational "research" is safely locked away so that no one else can mess up their perfect work.

The important thing here is we have the permanent number. 97% of all scientists agree with everything in Phrodeau's religion.

Cause that is how science is done. By consensus, tabulated from secret ballots no one knew they were voting on by researchers in New Zealand.
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:D

Well, I've been put into my place...

We got paid to design hardware and data packets for communications. Our consensus was formed by what actually worked the best, first theoretically by building models, then in real life by producing working products. So far, the Glowball Warning consensus has yet to produce a working product.

;) ;)

But they have developed quite the theoretical orthodoxy for those who want so very badly to believe as proof of intelligent design.

:D
 
I am enjoying the cool fall air of early August...

;)

... of course, that's just the weather.

But sleeping with the windows open sure is nice.
 
And, of course, I have many fans...

:D

What I could use are some good disciples. Why should the consensus have them and not me?

Always thought that I could be an apostle.
Knew that I could make it if I tried...
 
That's the great thing about climate change...

;)

As we head towards the next little ice age, the nipples get perkier.
 
swingersclub said:
Scandinavia which means Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark has had the hottest summer this summer for many many decades. In my dreams I look forward that also the forthcoming winter will be a very nice and "warm" winter without a lot of snow.
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Blasphemy!
 
(Frodo and Apostles)
What's the buzz
Tell me what's happening
Hang on Lord
We're gonna fight for you

(Gaia)
Put away your sword
Don't you know that it's all over
It was nice but now it's gone
Why are you obsessed with fighting?
Stick to fishing from now on
 
Tibet's glaciers at their warmest in 2,000 years
BEIJING Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:26am BST

(Reuters) - The Tibetan plateau, whose glaciers supply water to hundreds of millions of people in Asia, were warmer over the past 50 years than at any stage in the past two millennia, a Chinese newspaper said, citing an academic report.

Temperatures and humidity are likely to continue to rise throughout this century, causing glaciers to retreat and desertification to spread, according to the report published by the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Tibetan Plateau Research.

"Over the past 50 years, the rate of temperature rise has been double the average global level," it said, according to the report on the website of Science and Technology Daily, a state-run newspaper.

Glacier retreat could disrupt water supply to several of Asia's main rivers that originate from the plateau, including China's Yellow and Yangtze, India's Brahmaputra, and the Mekong and Salween in Southeast Asia.

In May, Chinese scientists said Tibetan glaciers had shrunk 15 percent - around 8,000 square km (3,100 square miles) - over the past 30 years.
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/14/us-china-climatechange-idUKKBN0GE09520140814
 
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