comments on poetry really suck

[sinuous]

While I have been lurking for a couple weeks, this forum presented to be intellectual and friendly from reading people who post.

Finally chancing to submit a poem, no help is offered suggestions, just simple cryptic, inane messages on what they thought the poem was about or I suppose I am to guess what in the world this commentary was supposed to mean. ooooohmm, oh yes, I missed the boat and really suck. At least that comment was honest and would give me reason to try harder than the comments left.

So this also tells me that I can go onto other poems and post random spittle of whatever I feel like and walk away feeling smug and think I have contributed because the people who posted these poems are not worth a damn.

Welcome to Lit, now go crawl in your corner because you dont belong here or are nothing of our clique? Not surprising. I had hoped to find a place to explore the erotic venue yet so far its a very judgemental and close minded place to step into.

well hi! nice to meet you too and how is this for an honest review instead of saying, the parchment of seniors and staid poets hiding behind literary reviews who had one too many drink before noon and think their swagger is high, not realizing instead that they stagger in haze.

I understand the first crit so much better.

cheerios

 

[bogusagain]

Finally chancing to submit a poem, no help is offered suggestions, just simple cryptic, inane messages

Well, yes, someone does regularly post inane comments to poems but that is the price of allowing comments. If you want some constructive help and criticism, take part in the forums. If you are serious, people will take you seriously.

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Sinuous, I am sorry I didn't see your poem. We get odd people posting to the poems in New Poems who aren't even really members of this forum, but I agree with Bogus in that if you post stuff here and ask for comments, you will likely receive helpful comments. Like any community, you may encounter people who like each other or who have written alongside each other for months, years, or even decades! So they can sometimes seem to have a shorthand when they speak to one another or post.

If you get mean comments, take what is useful and leave the rest. That would be my advice. And consider what it is you most dearly want to achieve. Do you want to make friends? Get better at the craft of poetry?

Anyway good luck with your future writing and welcome to the Forum. If you give it a chance and stick around, you may find it worth your while. Cheers back.

 

[champagne1982]

While I have been lurking for a couple weeks, this forum presented to be intellectual and friendly from reading people who post.

Finally chancing to submit a poem, no help is offered suggestions, just simple cryptic, inane messages on what they thought the poem was about or I suppose I am to guess what in the world this commentary was supposed to mean. ooooohmm, oh yes, I missed the boat and really suck. At least that comment was honest and would give me reason to try harder than the comments left.

So this also tells me that I can go onto other poems and post random spittle of whatever I feel like and walk away feeling smug and think I have contributed because the people who posted these poems are not worth a damn.

Welcome to Lit, now go crawl in your corner because you dont belong here or are nothing of our clique? Not surprising. I had hoped to find a place to explore the erotic venue yet so far its a very judgemental and close minded place to step into.

well hi! nice to meet you too and how is this for an honest review instead of saying, the parchment of seniors and staid poets hiding behind literary reviews who had one too many drink before noon and think their swagger is high, not realizing instead that they stagger in haze.

I understand the first crit so much better.

cheerios

Hello sinuous. I am not sure why you're all crapped out about the PF&D forum not commenting on any of your poetry since you have failed to advertise or start a thread about your poems here on the bulletin board. I, for one, genuinely read and evaluate any poetry I choose to post a reply to on a thread here in the forum. I do not read or comment on many of the new poems since I don't have the luxury of time to sift through even the recommended list posted here.

If you'd like to take some time and start a thread inviting constructive critique on an included poem you've written, go for it. I could suggest that you also set aside some time to initiate a conversation with other community members and give a review or feedback on their threads so that your commentators can return the same back to you. Six posts to a discussion forum doesn't exactly explain why you feel entitled to post about how you feel excluded by other poets when some of us (read me, if you like) weren't even aware of your presence.

As an aside to you: calling the usual participants of any online community a clique is pretty much a sure fire way of getting everyone's back up, since that noun carries a negative load around with it. Don't tar us all with the same brush. Be careful that your post doesn't become a self-fulfilling prophecy because I'm sure you have a lot of positive and wonderful ways to liven up this place.

Welcome to the PoBo and I hope you choose to stick around and share your poems right here.

 

[sinuous]

Well, yes, someone does regularly post inane comments to poems but that is the price of allowing comments. If you want some constructive help and criticism, take part in the forums. If you are serious, people will take you seriously.

Yes, I chanced upon other poems and saw the same two posting comments on just about every one. The were very imaginative and broad in their comments yet circular and empty within their comments. It seemed to be more of a competition between the two of who can be more creative by their own interaction or perhaps a parody. I never saw the likes before, it was disconcerting to say the least.

So in short; stay clear of submissions, close comments off and post on forums instead?

 

[sinuous]

oh dear, looking at your reply and champagnes I see I have been misunderstood. I was voicing frustration not because ...oh this is not right then!

ok, let me start again, my mistake was reading this forum and not going into new poems and reading the poems and furthering with reading comments left on the poems, perhaps also not setting up an introduction or posting on the forums first, saying hi or howdy?

PandoraGlitters, there is no need to apologize for not seeing my poem. I was (based on what I read in the forums) quite excited, hopeful for genuine interaction, constructive help and even some negative, definitely a mix...(this was not based on reading other poems submitted and their responses.

My friend told me you were a great bunch of people here, well she said awesome. So when I submitted my poem and received comments that left me completely confused (they were not even mean comments)and even in this forum really...and there were two of them. I had to say something but it is odd because I do not see these people posting on the forums although I have not had a chance to look extensively .....two people do not a forum make. Why on earth would they comment if not a part of the forum as well? Ah yes, I often ask questions out loud as much as written word can vocalize.

Leave it to me to blunder, trip and fall flat on my face when entering this room huh?

Sinuous, I am sorry I didn't see your poem. We get odd people posting to the poems in New Poems who aren't even really members of this forum, but I agree with Bogus in that if you post stuff here and ask for comments, you will likely receive helpful comments. Like any community, you may encounter people who like each other or who have written alongside each other for months, years, or even decades! So they can sometimes seem to have a shorthand when they speak to one another or post.

If you get mean comments, take what is useful and leave the rest. That would be my advice. And consider what it is you most dearly want to achieve. Do you want to make friends? Get better at the craft of poetry?

Anyway good luck with your future writing and welcome to the Forum. If you give it a chance and stick around, you may find it worth your while. Cheers back.

 

[bronzeage]

Yes, I chanced upon other poems and saw the same two posting comments on just about every one. The were very imaginative and broad in their comments yet circular and empty within their comments. It seemed to be more of a competition between the two of who can be more creative by their own interaction or perhaps a parody. I never saw the likes before, it was disconcerting to say the least.

So in short; stay clear of submissions, close comments off and post on forums instead?

A regular submission will get many more readers than a forum post. Votes and scores have no significance. A forum post will get probably 10 views and if you are fortunate, maybe one comment.

Don't spend more time thinking about a comment than the thought that went into it. Lit is not a "comment and critique" site. The poetry forum exists only because there is demand for a place so people can post poetry.

If you want thoughtful and considered critique, time the submission to appear on a Tuesday, or send me a link and request it be included on Tuesday's poetry recommendations.

 

[sinuous]

again, a misunderstanding somehow...

Hi champagne, I am not crapped out about PF&D (which I hope means poetry feedback and discussion?) NOT commenting on the one poem I submitted. I was crapped out and disappointed in the disjointed, paradoxical comments left on the poem; not mean, not nice, not relevant to the poem at all really but relevant to solely the commentators (at least I would hope their comments meant something to them)

So I take it to understand from responses here, submitting poems on Lit-erotica are purely cosmetic and serious, real interaction is within the forums?

Your next suggestion was already in the makes and I did manage to initiate some comment on a conversation. No not a multitude as yet.

How many posts must I have before I might feel entitled to post how I feel? 100? 1000? 5000? I do believe this comment was again based on a misunderstanding or misreading that I was "crapping" because of the lack of comments instead of the two I did receive.

I was not referring to you or anyone on this forum cliquey but to the two who left inane comments and walked away to leave more on other poems submitted by others. My whole comment and conversation was pointed at these two and I am sorry you took offence to what I wrote. Even my title here is "comments on poetry really suck" not lack of comments, not people in this forum, as a matter of fact I wrote that I was told you guys were a nice lot and I found you, myself to be intellectual and humorous so the comments I did get left me very surprised, confused and yes disappointed, feeling ...ah I better shut it, I have no right to post how I feel.

I have no clue what PoBo means

lol thanks for the welcome, I think.

be well and peace

Hello sinuous. I am not sure why you're all crapped out about the PF&D forum not commenting on any of your poetry since you have failed to advertise or start a thread about your poems here on the bulletin board. I, for one, genuinely read and evaluate any poetry I choose to post a reply to on a thread here in the forum. I do not read or comment on many of the new poems since I don't have the luxury of time to sift through even the recommended list posted here.

If you'd like to take some time and start a thread inviting constructive critique on an included poem you've written, go for it. I could suggest that you also set aside some time to initiate a conversation with other community members and give a review or feedback on their threads so that your commentators can return the same back to you. Six posts to a discussion forum doesn't exactly explain why you feel entitled to post about how you feel excluded by other poets when some of us (read me, if you like) weren't even aware of your presence.

As an aside to you: calling the usual participants of any online community a clique is pretty much a sure fire way of getting everyone's back up, since that noun carries a negative load around with it. Don't tar us all with the same brush. Be careful that your post doesn't become a self-fulfilling prophecy because I'm sure you have a lot of positive and wonderful ways to liven up this place.

Welcome to the PoBo and I hope you choose to stick around and share your poems right here.

 

[sinuous]

A regular submission will get many more readers than a forum post. Votes and scores have no significance. A forum post will get probably 10 views and if you are fortunate, maybe one comment.

Don't spend more time thinking about a comment than the thought that went into it. Lit is not a "comment and critique" site. The poetry forum exists only because there is demand for a place so people can post poetry.

If you want thoughtful and considered critique, time the submission to appear on a Tuesday, or send me a link and request it be included on Tuesday's poetry recommendations.

Quality is always better than quantity, there are scores here? oops- something else I didn't know. I am not really interested in scores for whatever they are or worth. I am interested in branching out and being more expansive in what I write, interaction with likewise people and poets, bettering my craft, contributing to others and having fun within it all.

thank you bronzeage and nice to meet you also.

p.s. yes I am already coming to understand this is not a typical poetry forum but then each poetry forum is unique, this one is more atypical than most. It is a bit different here and that is not at all bad, just different and requires an opening of the mind and view.

thank you for your offer as well. it is appreciated

 

[bronzeage]

Quality is always better than quantity, there are scores here? oops- something else I didn't know. I am not really interested in scores for whatever they are or worth. I am interested in branching out and being more expansive in what I write, interaction with likewise people and poets, bettering my craft, contributing to others and having fun within it all.

thank you bronzeage and nice to meet you also.

p.s. yes I am already coming to understand this is not a typical poetry forum but then each poetry forum is unique, this one is more atypical than most. It is a bit different here and that is not at all bad, just different and requires an opening of the mind and view.

thank you for your offer as well. it is appreciated

The 5 stars underneath your poetry submission are a rating system. Readers can rate the work 1 through 5. Since there are no standards and the votes are anonymous, it is meaningless.

 

[champagne1982]

Hi champagne, I am not crapped out about PF&D (which I hope means poetry feedback and discussion?) NOT commenting on the one poem I submitted. I was crapped out and disappointed in the disjointed, paradoxical comments left on the poem; not mean, not nice, not relevant to the poem at all really but relevant to solely the commentators (at least I would hope their comments meant something to them)

So I take it to understand from responses here, submitting poems on Lit-erotica are purely cosmetic and serious, real interaction is within the forums?

Your next suggestion was already in the makes and I did manage to initiate some comment on a conversation. No not a multitude as yet.

How many posts must I have before I might feel entitled to post how I feel? 100? 1000? 5000? I do believe this comment was again based on a misunderstanding or misreading that I was "crapping" because of the lack of comments instead of the two I did receive.

I was not referring to you or anyone on this forum cliquey but to the two who left inane comments and walked away to leave more on other poems submitted by others. My whole comment and conversation was pointed at these two and I am sorry you took offence to what I wrote. Even my title here is "comments on poetry really suck" not lack of comments, not people in this forum, as a matter of fact I wrote that I was told you guys were a nice lot and I found you, myself to be intellectual and humorous so the comments I did get left me very surprised, confused and yes disappointed, feeling ...ah I better shut it, I have no right to post how I feel.

I have no clue what PoBo means

lol thanks for the welcome, I think.

be well and peace

We were on the same misunderstood path I think, sinuous. My welcome is genuine, PoBo is my shorthand for Poetry Board. My apologies if I distressed you in my reply to your post, I was taking your comments on the forum as if you were chastising its members and not just general views on the active story archive trolls. I beg your pardon.

Anyhow, start a thread or take bronze's suggestion about when to post and if you let some of us know that you would welcome feedback, then I'm sure you'll glean something constructive from what's left in response to your work.

Take care

 

[Maria2394]

Yes, I chanced upon other poems and saw the same two posting comments on just about every one. The were very imaginative and broad in their comments yet circular and empty within their comments. It seemed to be more of a competition between the two of who can be more creative by their own interaction or perhaps a parody. I never saw the likes before, it was disconcerting to say the least.

So in short; stay clear of submissions, close comments off and post on forums instead?

Welcome, Sinuous

All I can say is that I agree with what Champ and Dora said. And Lord knows most of us have gotten comments that would drive an insane person to do the deed, there are some mean people, but I haven't seen them lately maybe I need to replace the mirror above my screen.....

Just try what suggestions were made, ignore the ignoramouses and just enjoy writing! There will be "cliques" every where you go, the trick is just don't fall into one of them and you wil be fine. This place used to be lousy with self involved wannabe's who couldn't see beyond your and you're and were offended when the mistake was pointed out.


I'm not here much anymore because my computer keeps crapping out on me, but I will make an effort to read your work when you post it and leave constuctive comments. Sometimes a poem is so good, I leave totally worthless stuff like- " just wanted you to know I read your work and enjoyed it, I have nothing to add in any way that would improve your poem."

There are so few poets and poems readers compared to the writers' side that it can seem like we are ignored but people come here to cum and sometimes a good poem might be a good poem but just doesn't get the job at hand done, ifya know what I mean.

Be well, write read and enjoy-

~ maria

PS, I just read your asbwer to Champ's pst and of course you can say and feel whatever you want. anyopne can as long as you follow forum guidelines and ( common courtesy)<---- that one's mine.

There does seem to be a sort of indiscriminate number of posts in the forum you have to make to get a title like guru or very experienced, I have no idea what it is now. I think I got my guru status at 1000 and then it was dropped down to 750 or something like that, but there are word games you can play on the general biard and get that "status" in less than a day butu it basically means nothing, not to me anyway.

Shouldn't words have meaning? value?Shouldn't what you say here have some sort of meaning to someone else? Like trying to offer suggestions, help in some way? I always thought so.... not just dumped into cyberspace en masse just to get a silly title? That is just my opinion and that is why I don't have 30 posts a day and I have been here over 10 years.

You might be referrring to some of the comments that make no sense at all! I know what you mean, it does seem like someone is trying to make the top of the comment list in the FB Portal and that is a dumbass reason to leave a comment that means nothing. I made a thread like this once and got no response because what could people say?

If someone cannot WRITE poetry, they may spend all day going down a list and post 5 or 6 word comments with a bunch of indicepherable letters beside it. I just delete or ignore them, and you can do that as well. A coment left on your work doesn't have to be a stain. Just write, if that's what you came here for and post, because the more you write the better you become at writing. What it comes down to, is, if people here do not know you want feedback, they usually do not give it because we have all been bitten at one time or amother when we only thought we were helping. After so many bites, one learns not to reach out and pet the new dog until it shows it doesn't bite Good luck!


( sorry for the typos)

 

[Neonurotic]

Is all this fuss over one commenter, namely tazz317? This person writes circular commentary on everyone's poem. He/she who seems to only comment to get their Public Comment number higher on the leader board. And likely to get a poet's fur in a rough.

Really kind of disappointed someone would actually judge the Poetry & Discussion Community on the action(s) of one commenter, especially on this one who doesn't contribute to this forum.

 

[Angeline]

Sinuous, you've received good advice and support here already--in spite of what appeared, initially, to be a little spasm of 'tude. I think you understand now that no one on this forum has any control over anyone's comments and/or ratings but their own.

Yes this forum is unique, probably because it's small and in an out of the way corner of cyberspace. And, because it's part of a porn site, most users could give fuck-all about poems unless they are good wanking material. The people here on the Pobo however are poets, mostly, and do care. If that makes us a clique, well ok: that ain't a bad thing imho. You will notice that everyone here has invited you to join in, so I guess it's also a big tent kind of clique.

I rarely submit poems here myself anymore though I do still write and post on the forum. Lots of people do both submitting and posting and some, like Maria for example, are wonderful about giving feedback via comments. I prefer asking for advice and critique here, but that is a matter of taste. I have gotten great, critical feedback both ways but I just think the best poets are here, writing and learning together, challenging and hoping to inspire themselves and one another.

People who come here and give a little tend to get a lot of support in return. I hope you find what you're looking for here.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Is all this fuss over one commenter, namely tazz317? This person writes circular commentary on everyone's poem. He/she who seems to only comment to get their Public Comment number higher on the leader board. And likely to get a poet's fur in a rough.

Really kind of disappointed someone would actually judge the Poetry & Discussion Community on the action(s) of one commenter, especially on this one who doesn't contribute to this forum.

I noticed tazz317 too. Even if his/her comments don't educate or enlighten they do prove that,at least, he/she has read the poem! That, in itself, is to be appreciated, doncha think? It would be easier to boost their
Pub. Com. count by just saying something rude or crude - like anon.....

 

[bronzeage]

I noticed tazz317 too. Even if his/her comments don't educate or enlighten they do prove that,at least, he/she has read the poem! That, in itself, is to be appreciated, doncha think? It would be easier to boost their
Pub. Com. count by just saying something rude or crude - like anon.....

Tazz's comments show he/she read the poem. Although short and cryptic, it's more effort than made by most of the dozen or so people who scan the new poems.

When one considers how many poets respond to the posts made in the new poem recommendation thread comment, Tazz is remarkable for his persistence.

 

[champagne1982]

Tazz's comments show he/she read the poem. Although short and cryptic, it's more effort than made by most of the dozen or so people who scan the new poems.

When one considers how many poets respond to the posts made in the new poem recommendation thread comment, Tazz is remarkable for his persistence.

Looking for the like button on this reply, Bronze and 'tess. It is nice to have even a short blurb written on your comments than to have 100 views and a couple of lowball votes. I appreciate the time people take even to read a new poem, nevermind what it takes, many days, to comment. Frequent readers and the reviewers have my respect and appreciation, even though it is so seldom expressed.

Here's to all of you who make the effort... CHEERS!

 

[LexiRoseLexi]

Tazz

Having spoken to Tazz quite a bit (for me) it appears he likes to leave comments to show he's read and appreciated the poem but because he is not a writer himself doesn't feel qualified to comment on whether the poem is good or not if that makes sense? He also tends not to vote unless he can give a 4 or 5. This means he writes things that are often cryptic but generally well considered and thoughtful.

Also he signs of with a thanks followed by his initials and location which confuses some people.

 

[greenmountaineer]

I'm more of a relective learner than an interactive learner as evidenced by my relatively few posts over the 3 years more or less since I began visiting the discussion threads. I can honestly say, however, that I have learned much about the art of writing poetry from the relatively small number of regular visitors here who have been writing poetry, I'm sure, longer than I have.

While I may not always agree with an opinion expressed, it is usually well thought out. There have been many topics that have addressed a nuance in poetry that gets well explored in the discussion or serve as springboards for further research on the internet.

This is a fine website if you're interested in continuous learning as I am.

As to the comments under "New Poems," sometimes you get one or two that get you to thinking, but for the most part the learning takes place here. That said, I do appreciate anyone taking the time to read one of my poems. Sometimes I try something new and it bombs, but I usually have a sense when something I write is half way decent in which case I consider it a gift. If one judges a submission just in terms of the comments or votes, I think they're missing something important. In my opinion, poetry is an exhange, giving and receiving.

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Well said, greenmountaineer.

 

[HarryHill]

About Tazz...I really appreciate His comments, although most of the time I have no clue what they mean. Take for example the post made under my A Kiss for Spring....A compost pile ...lasts all year. Did he mean the imagery of winter laying down (like a pile of leaves) to be turned into soil by springs warmth?
Whatever the reason it's nice to have someone discover something about your words that missed by the writer.
..
By the way, it's great to be here.
Harry

 

[Neonurotic]

I noticed tazz317 too. Even if his/her comments don't educate or enlighten they do prove that,at least, he/she has read the poem! That, in itself, is to be appreciated, doncha think? It would be easier to boost their
Pub. Com. count by just saying something rude or crude - like anon.....

I don't allow Anon.

Don't really understand tazz's comments so ya, I can take them or leave them.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I haven't commented on any poems for awhile, the last two I commented on rather put me off by sending me email telling me I didn't know what I was talking about!

 

[Angeline]

I haven't commented on any poems for awhile, the last two I commented on rather put me off by sending me email telling me I didn't know what I was talking about!

That's another reason I rarely comment anymore. I truely do not care if someone disagrees with me: it is their poem after all, and they know better than me what they're trying to achieve with it. But commenting, like doing new poem reviews, is time and effort. I don't expect to be loved for doing it but I also don't appreciate someone getting snotty with me cause I did not tell them their poem is genius. And of course the irony is that the best writers seem to be the most genuinely appreciative of feedback, while the folks who need to learn more often have the more negative attitude. I guess it's just defensiveness, but I don't have the time or inclination for that sort of bs anymore.

 

[UnderYourSpell]

I'm just sorry that this place isn't what it used to be, I arrived here rhyming everything (I knew no different) and Tess thought I was a man (thanks Tess luvs yer!) but enough people cared enough to point put there were other ways of writing (even though Eve scared the hell out of me at first!) Now? Well so many ups and down and acrimonious postings from people who should know better have driven away many poets that made this forum a very special place to be, some of the good guys I'm glad to say have ridden out the storms and it's these that still being me back. I need you guys to push me back into writing because after Survivor I sank into stagnation and the words just don't flow anymore