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For all those commenters who hate it when you dare to use "they"... How exactly do they cope when they run across the romance languages, were every word is gendered...?
 
For all those commenters who hate it when you dare to use "they"... How exactly do they cope when they run across the romance languages, were every word is gendered...?
I am not a language scholar, (in fact the opposite but someone with a wide listening habit and eclectic memory) but it is easy, if it is multiple and there is more than one gender, they are male*. Regarding they, used as singular ungendered, you can’t use 'it' for people and she/he is so clumsy, but I had a Grammer School educated boss who demanded that rather than… “Considering a blind pedestrian, what would happen if they crossed the road at this location?”

YMMV et al.

*I heard a comment once that a in a Spanish paper a meeting about equality in University there were 30 female professors, but one male one attended, so they were 31 male professors!
 
For all those commenters who hate it when you dare to use "they"... How exactly do they cope when they run across the romance languages, were every word is gendered...?
That question should be flipped around, shouldn't it? As in: how do those who insist on gender-neutral "they" cope with Romance languages were every word is marked as male or female (or perhaps neuter).

I am not a language scholar, (in fact the opposite but someone with a wide listening habit and eclectic memory) but it is easy, if it is multiple and there is more than one gender, they are male*.
It very much depends on the particular language. There are some where this goes other way, and a single woman changes the grammatical gender of the gathering from "all male" to "mixed", but an all-female group is already "mixed" and adding a male doesn't change it.
 
That question should be flipped around, shouldn't it? As in: how do those who insist on gender-neutral "they" cope with Romance languages were every word is marked as male or female (or perhaps neuter).
Easily...? The romance languages *also* have gender-neutral "they". They inherited it from ProtoIndoEuropean. It's a way of differentiating between two subjects.
 
Easily...? The romance languages *also* have gender-neutral "they". They inherited it from ProtoIndoEuropean. It's a way of differentiating between two subjects.
The problem with English... One of the problems with English, of which there are many, is that it is feral language, having been abandoned by clerics and other learned authorities after the Norman takeover.
But the general population kept speaking it and some of them writing in it, but with no 'official body' to tell them write from right. Also due to the various Germanic invasions the gender issue had got dropped as in one language housen might be male as he owned it and hausan might be female as that is who looked after it. It wasn't until printing came along that it was much of a problem and even then the type setter might spell gun as gunn, gun and gunne on different lines to make them nice and neat.
Printers got fed up with arguments over spelling so commisioned Samuel Johnson to produce a 'definitive' lexicon of spellings, that he added examples of use and how to say (diction) them, thus producing his Dictionary. Many years later and one War of Independance, Noah Webster produced a version with spelling reforms as he didn't like Johnson's Latinisations of words like colour. Needless to say his work was applauded in the United States and ignored in the English colonies. Generating a whole new set of problems with English (of which there are many varieties - just ask an Aussie Shelia if you can see her thongs and you might not get a slap in the face with a flip-flop).
Making up new words in English is not a sin, it's a competition!
 
Additionally, the singular “they” has been a feature of the language since at least the 14th century, when we have written examples of it, and likely for much longer in spoken usage. The modern furor about it is pure culture war bullshit.
 
(of which there are many varieties - just ask an Aussie Shelia if you can see her thongs and you might not get a slap in the face with a flip-flop).
Making up new words in English is not a sin, it's a competition!
Not that we say 'sheila' much these days, but I think that it's better to simply compliment her on her classy informal footwear rather than asking to 'see' it.

I don't think there's any real competition about making up words. There was only one Bradman, and there was only one Bard.
https://nosweatshakespeare.com/resources/words-shakespeare-invented/
 
I have a fondness for over-the-top negative comments as well as favorable ones, because, well, I'm just that way.

Today I received this comment to my story, "Mom, You're A Hucow":


Not only was this the fucking dumbest,most ignorant bullshit I have read on Literotica,Its top 5 of the worse stories I have ever read..That's 10 min of pure stupidity I'll never get back?.Minus 100 stars

Question: If you choose to read a story with that title, don't you kind of know what you're going to get? Why bother to read it?
 
I don't think there's any real competition about making up words. There was only one Bradman, and there was only one Bard.
https://nosweatshakespeare.com/resources/words-shakespeare-invented/
Every year various organisations (Oxford and Cambridge Dictionaries and some classier papers) publish lists of new words added to the English (as in in Britian) language. Including in September (OED) ten words and phrases lifted directly from Welsh!
So I think there is a competition in some quaters albeit only adding 0.004% to the now estimated just short of 500,000 words! (OK estimates vary and is 'row' one word or three? But only about half are in use ATM) YMMV
 
Additionally, the singular “they” has been a feature of the language since at least the 14th century, when we have written examples of it, and likely for much longer in spoken usage. The modern furor about it is pure culture war bullshit.
Honest question, because I'm not aware of examples -- do we have any indication that singular they had been used to refer to a specific individual, prior to say 1950? "Oh that's Pat. They like jazz."
I'm aware of singular they like "who's that? They're coming this way."
 
Additionally, the singular “they” has been a feature of the language since at least the 14th century, when we have written examples of it, and likely for much longer in spoken usage. The modern furor about it is pure culture war bullshit.
While true, It's important to distinguish the complete use case. 'They' has been used to refer to singular nouns and common nouns like man, baby, redhead, or customer for a long time, "Let that man know I said they're welcome..."

Referring to singular Proper nouns, i.e., "Let Shelby know I said they're welcome..." that is very recent.
 
Yup. We agree. Thanks for the documentation.

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its use of singular they to refer to an unnamed person seems very modern. Here’s the Middle English version: ‘Hastely hiȝed eche . . . þei neyȝþed so neiȝh . . . þere william & his worþi lef were liand i-fere.’ In modern English, that’s: ‘Each man hurried . . . till they drew near . . . where William and his darling were lying together.’
 
That’s quite clearly referring to the plural of all the men mentioned here.
Which is why, while 'man' is a singular noun, it works in this context with a third person pronoun.
You can't replace 'man' with a proper noun, say Ted, and have it work, and that goes back to the original point I was making in my first comment on this subject.
 
I have a fondness for over-the-top negative comments as well as favorable ones, because, well, I'm just that way.

Today I received this comment to my story, "Mom, You're A Hucow":




Question: If you choose to read a story with that title, don't you kind of know what you're going to get? Why bother to read it?
Congratulations on being in the top 5 of anything!!!
 
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