Could you vote for Hillary Clinton?

[FurryFury]

She is John Kerry in a dress. About as inspiring as Kraft Cheese.

If Fred Thompson is my other choice, yes. Otherwise no. Sick as this may be, I would not mind Giuliani. I am many things, a pinko, yes, but a New Yorker in my soul.

Now, now, John Kerry with the right make up and dress could be much more attractive . . .

*chuckles*

 

[Netzach]

Not in a million years.

I personally don't give a flying fuck about her/his sex life, knowledge of it, or lack thereof.

What I am uncomfortable about is that when both of the Clintons were investigated for that whole Whitewater scam, people ended up dead. Developers are generally dirty as hell but murder is a whole nother level I can't sign off on.

Most of the time I end up voting for whatever independent candidate there is. It's a protest vote.

I generally hate the two party candidates or at least can't with good conscience advocate them.

If Obama were the leading Demo candidate I might vote for him because I do think we need a switch but if she is, no fucking way.

However, there are women I would vote for. I don't give a shit if the candidate is a woman, what race they are or what religion.

I vote on two things, the issues and keeping the government's checks and balances such at they are in place.

I love Obama, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
I'll see how this goes. But she's just - meh. Another sure-fire loser. Centrist. Convictionless.

 

[TheBlackDahlia]

I honestly wouldn't want Obama as president. He just doesn't seem to have enough experience, and all of his supposed plans for us seem shady.

 

[intothewoods]

She is John Kerry in a dress. About as inspiring as Kraft Cheese.

This is a good comparison. Actually both Kerry and Clinton (H) were kind of inspiring and passionate in their younger years, but are really lackluster politicians.

I don't hate Hillary, and I don't love her. She's skilled at running campaigns, Bill's campaigns, but she's not really all that accomplished otherwise.

I like Edwards at the moment, but who knows how things will develop at this point.

I think W's presidency has really illustrated how important it is to have a president who can create a good team. So I really find myself thinking in terms of that right now. Hillary, despite everything I dislike about her, would probably create a pretty damn good team.

 

[FinalWish]

I probably won't even vote. There's only a couple candidates promising enough for me to consider. Obama is one of them but Clinton seems to be overshadowing him (despite how close they are in the polls)

 

[FurryFury]

Wouldn't it be awesome if both parties actually came up with a candidate we could be excited about?

I think the Demos are going to lose this one because they will make Hillary their candidate.

That's a shame because I also think we need a change.

 

[Chicklet]

I think the Demos are going to lose this one because they will make Hillary their candidate.

If the democrats back Hillary I agree that they probably won't win. I think it's iffy to back any minority or woman, though. So many people just wouldn't vote for them. So far my vote's for Edwards.

 

[midwestyankee]

She is John Kerry in a dress. About as inspiring as Kraft Cheese.

If Fred Thompson is my other choice, yes. Otherwise no. Sick as this may be, I would not mind Giuliani. I am many things, a pinko, yes, but a New Yorker in my soul.

Rudy scares the heck out of me.

Anyone leaning in his direction ought to pay very, very close attention to this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0E0wfShJ58


As for the question at hand: yes, I could vote for Senator Clinton and probably will if she is nominated. I would prefer a different candidate on the Democratic ticket but there is not a chance on this green earth that I would ever vote for any of the numbskulls running on the other side.

 

[Netzach]

Rudy scares the heck out of me.

Anyone leaning in his direction ought to pay very, very close attention to this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0E0wfShJ58


As for the question at hand: yes, I could vote for Senator Clinton and probably will if she is nominated. I would prefer a different candidate on the Democratic ticket but there is not a chance on this green earth that I would ever vote for any of the numbskulls running on the other side.

I'm not in love, but I do see it as a shift to the center from the other end. And I think he's appeasing people who need appeasing - they all are. I can't articulate why I want to reward centrist 'pubs and spank centrist dems, though. Just do.

 

[graceanne]

Hell would freeze over first.

 

[midwestyankee]

I'm not in love, but I do see it as a shift to the center from the other end. And I think he's appeasing people who need appeasing - they all are.

My concerns with Rudy are manifold but the single biggest one is that he's running on his reputation as "the guy who saved us after September 11" when he had made so many mistakes with respect to protecting the city in the first place as to make his claim laughable.

For more on Rudy G from the conservative side, I strongly suggest that folks pay attention to Andrew Sullivan. You can read his blog here.

 

[FurryFury]

If the democrats back Hillary I agree that they probably won't win. I think it's iffy to back any minority or woman, though. So many people just wouldn't vote for them. So far my vote's for Edwards.

I agree but I think it's rather ignorant and sad that so many would "never" vote for a woman or minority candidate. It just blows my mind.

 

[His_pita]

No!! I can't stand that woman, and the very thought that I would have to turn on my TV and see more of Bill makes me shudder in disgust.

 

[incubus'_sub]

OK, an outsider's perspective from an Aussie.

I don't know enough, or care enough, about US Domestic policy to tell one candidate from another really.

What you do need is a president who can repair the incredible damage done, in the world's eyes, to our view of the american people as a whole by your very own George W. Pretty much the whole world hates him, because he's seen as an idiot & a very dangerous idiot at that.

We have the very expensive pleasure ??? of his company at the moment. He & his entourage of immense proportions are completely disrupting our major city & for what? He has nothing intelligent to contibute to the APEC talks.

Two of your possibles will fit this bill. Hillary, because with Hillary comes Bill, absolutely the most popular (to the rest of us in the world) president you've had in recent history. We don't care what he got up to in his private life, or that he denied it because that's just human. Hillary has the experience gained from his presidency & her part in it & also has the ability to heal the rift between americans & the rest of us.

Rudy showed himself to be very capable. A doer, not just a talker. He is also quite straightforward, a great speaker & a man the rest of the world can respect. He could also repair a lot of the damage.

ALL politicians are guilty of dodgy deals & lies. NO politician can cure all your ills, that's up to you. NO politician could have protected you from 9/11, but the hate stirred up by George W throughout the rest of the world towards you americans probably helped bring it on & has kept it going, now involving the rest of us.

Whoever you vote for, try to think outside your own little square of interest & domestic issues. America is the biggest player on the world stage. Try to give us a leader who will get on with the rest of us & who we can respect & even like, please.

 

[intothewoods]

My concerns with Rudy are manifold but the single biggest one is that he's running on his reputation as "the guy who saved us after September 11" when he had made so many mistakes with respect to protecting the city in the first place as to make his claim laughable.

For more on Rudy G from the conservative side, I strongly suggest that folks pay attention to Andrew Sullivan. You can read his blog here.

I kinda dig Andrew Sullivan for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't characterize him as traditionally conservative. To cut to the chase, gay Republicans are always having an identity crisis.

 

[Netzach]

OK, an outsider's perspective from an Aussie.

I don't know enough, or care enough, about US Domestic policy to tell one candidate from another really.

What you do need is a president who can repair the incredible damage done, in the world's eyes, to our view of the american people as a whole by your very own George W. Pretty much the whole world hates him, because he's seen as an idiot & a very dangerous idiot at that.

We have the very expensive pleasure ??? of his company at the moment. He & his entourage of immense proportions are completely disrupting our major city & for what? He has nothing intelligent to contibute to the APEC talks.

Two of your possibles will fit this bill. Hillary, because with Hillary comes Bill, absolutely the most popular (to the rest of us in the world) president you've had in recent history. We don't care what he got up to in his private life, or that he denied it because that's just human. Hillary has the experience gained from his presidency & her part in it & also has the ability to heal the rift between americans & the rest of us.

Rudy showed himself to be very capable. A doer, not just a talker. He is also quite straightforward, a great speaker & a man the rest of the world can respect. He could also repair a lot of the damage.

ALL politicians are guilty of dodgy deals & lies. NO politician can cure all your ills, that's up to you. NO politician could have protected you from 9/11, but the hate stirred up by George W throughout the rest of the world towards you americans probably helped bring it on & has kept it going, now involving the rest of us.

Whoever you vote for, try to think outside your own little square of interest & domestic issues. America is the biggest player on the world stage. Try to give us a leader who will get on with the rest of us & who we can respect & even like, please.

I can't believe how quickly we blew our moment of worldwide sympathy. I thought we'd keep it a year at least. It's not that the rest of the world has attention span problems.

"Why do they hate us?" gives way to "I can't believe anyone might NOT hate us"

 

[Netzach]

I kinda dig Andrew Sullivan for a variety of reasons, but I wouldn't characterize him as traditionally conservative. To cut to the chase, gay Republicans are always having an identity crisis.

David Rakoff. I'm serious, his essay on Log Cabin republicans is one of the most important pieces of writing out of the gay community I've ever read.

 

[Chicklet]

I agree but I think it's rather ignorant and sad that so many would "never" vote for a woman or minority candidate. It just blows my mind.

we aren't exactly the friendliest most open minded nation around.

 

[HB1965]

...Dennis Kucinich hasn't got a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination

He's my candidate as well, and I agree he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, but I also don't think Hillary will either. The Republican hate of her is so strong that she doesn't have a chance of beating a GOP challenger and the Dems know this.

I'm thinking it will either be Obama or Edwards neither of which I'm excited about, but both are preferable to any of the GOPs. The only one I would consider voting for is Ron Paul and half his platform makes me cringe. With the fan base he's been accumulating I think he's going to win the nomination.

 

[FurryFury]

we aren't exactly the friendliest most open minded nation around.

In some ways we are though.

 

[FurryFury]

OK, an outsider's perspective from an Aussie.

I don't know enough, or care enough, about US Domestic policy to tell one candidate from another really.

What you do need is a president who can repair the incredible damage done, in the world's eyes, to our view of the american people as a whole by your very own George W. Pretty much the whole world hates him, because he's seen as an idiot & a very dangerous idiot at that.

We have the very expensive pleasure ??? of his company at the moment. He & his entourage of immense proportions are completely disrupting our major city & for what? He has nothing intelligent to contibute to the APEC talks.

Two of your possibles will fit this bill. Hillary, because with Hillary comes Bill, absolutely the most popular (to the rest of us in the world) president you've had in recent history. We don't care what he got up to in his private life, or that he denied it because that's just human. Hillary has the experience gained from his presidency & her part in it & also has the ability to heal the rift between americans & the rest of us.

Rudy showed himself to be very capable. A doer, not just a talker. He is also quite straightforward, a great speaker & a man the rest of the world can respect. He could also repair a lot of the damage.

ALL politicians are guilty of dodgy deals & lies. NO politician can cure all your ills, that's up to you. NO politician could have protected you from 9/11, but the hate stirred up by George W throughout the rest of the world towards you americans probably helped bring it on & has kept it going, now involving the rest of us.

Whoever you vote for, try to think outside your own little square of interest & domestic issues. America is the biggest player on the world stage. Try to give us a leader who will get on with the rest of us & who we can respect & even like, please.

Well the US has usually been hated by many other countries throughout history. Maybe twice in history has the US been generally loved by most other countries.

Clinton was a horrible president. 9-11 was planned and put in place on his watch. So if the rest of the world loved him, a statement I have to doubt, too fucking bad.

That's not to say Bush is a good president, he isn't. He is horrible too. I can't stand him, for very different reasons.

 

[HB1965]

Clinton was a horrible president. 9-11 was planned and put in place on his watch.

I'm sorry, but I disagree that he was a horrible president. This country was a lot better off, and many of us felt a lot better about being American at the time. Yes he did some stupid shit, and I will never condone him lying under oath, but the fact remains that the budget was balanced and our relationship with the rest of the world was ten times better when he was in office. If the Republicans hadn't used their power in congress those last four years to give Clinton shit instead of actually working who know what he might have done.

9-1-1 may have been planned while it was in office, but it was put into place while Bush was on his 4 month vacation at his ranch, and if his advisors had listened to what Clinton's transition team had to say maybe all of those 1000s of innocent people would still be with us. I totally hold the Bush camp responsible for the fact that Bin Laden got away with 9-1-1.

 

[saw_man1]

In short, NO.
Barring a some airport bathroom type scandal it will eventually come down to Obama and Clinton.
On the right, Giuliani is the only candidate with a chance to beat either one of them and the one I would be most inclined to vote for.
I heard a story about Giuliani years ago that elevated his stature in my eyes ten fold. The precise details are a little sketchy but the gist of the event follows.
It seems that while Giuliani was the Mayor of NY a local politico was putting up roadblocks in Rudy's efforts to clean up the city. Negotiations with this Tammany Hall schmuck were getting nowhere and it became clear that the man that the man was going to do all he could to stymie the mayors program. So in a noble effort to get this schmuck to see the light; Giuliani had the city open a methadone based drug treatment center right next door to the man. Wouldn't ya know it the man changed his tune rather quickly. More often than not it's the results that matter and all that most people will remember. For the most part how those results were achieved are secondary.
The politico mentioned above was a roadblock. Rudy figured out a novel way to get around that roadblock. I admire that.

 

[intothewoods]

David Rakoff. I'm serious, his essay on Log Cabin republicans is one of the most important pieces of writing out of the gay community I've ever read.

I love David Rakoff!!!!!!

 

[SouthernDom]

Here ya go.............
http://www.stophernow.com/site/PageServer?pagename=homepage

Oops................I forgot to actually reply!

I gotta bigass HELL NO for Hillary!

When it comes down to it,any damn body but her!