Could you vote for Hillary Clinton?

[Netzach]

I tend to resent any political affiliation, I tend to be more conservative. I would not vote for Ms. Clinton in any way, however, simply because of the whole Lewinsky thing. I go out of my way to verify that I do not f with any marriages, simply because I cannot stand a liar. And I do not believe anyone who puts up with betrayal in their personal lives can possibly be expected to have high moral values in a position of authority and fulfill the promises they have made to the public. And either Mr. Clinton was lying (which became very evident very soon) or she was, publically or privately. And I could not, nor would not, vote for a woman who was unable to candidly discuss her private lies and issues, no matter how much I want to prove that a female is equally capable of a "job" that has always been held by men. She is just not the right person for a political office, especially one that should be held in such high esteem. Not sure how I feel about Huckabee and Obama either, for the record...

I really hope that JFK, FDR and Winston Churchill are all your idea of unfit leaders then. They all had affairs. It's fairly well known. While I'm not some kind of Clinton fan, this is still up there on the ladder of insane. They all had affairs, Clinton is the first one and one of the only ones to have the position threatened on the morality of what he does with his dick on off hours. As long as they're not raping babies and stomping puppies I really don't care who they fuck, as long as they extend the same political stance on sexuality in MY direction as a private person.

I can't understand how Clinton gets unfit for fucking some girl, but I really can't understand how Hilary is unfit for not doing some drama of divorce and shaking her finger at him publicly. Everyone who's calling her a shrewd political bitch would be calling her even more of a bitch if she hadn't stood by him.

Also, Imelda Marcos? Come on people, do you even read? Wellsley, Congressional lawyer, Rose law firm partner, I don't like her but they didn't just pull her out of Bill's bed (or off the the living room couch or whatever) dust her off and stand her up there at a podium. Imelda Marcos - ex beauty queen appointed to political office during martial law. Kind of like Laura Bush being the Gang Czar. Yes, I'm serious. She is the Gang Czar.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Hmmm... excerpts from a CNN article titled "If Clinton wins, would Justice Clinton be far behind?" (I trust CNN is a more trustworthy news source than WorldNetDaily?)

It is a title that would be sure to bring either fear or cheer to many Americans, depending on your political leanings: Supreme Court Justice Bill Clinton.

That provocative possibility has long been whispered in legal and political circles ever since Sen. Hillary Clinton became a viable candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Now a respected conservative law professor has openly predicted a future President Clinton would name her husband to the high court if a vacancy occurred.

Pepperdine Law School's Douglas Kmiec wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal, "The former president would be intrigued by court service and many would cheer him on."​

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The last sentence made me laugh out loud - a rarity for a CNN story:

The more immediate effect of such talk might be more practical: It could help motivate conservative voters in an election year to ensure no Clinton ever reaches the White House or the Supreme Court anytime soon.​

I would, however, make one change in that sentence, as to my personal preferences:

"... to ensure no Clinton - or Bush - ever reaches the White House or the Supreme Court anytime soon."​

 

[WriterDom]

Hmmm... excerpts from a CNN article titled "If Clinton wins, would Justice Clinton be far behind?" (I trust CNN is a more trustworthy news source than WorldNetDaily?)

It is a title that would be sure to bring either fear or cheer to many Americans, depending on your political leanings: Supreme Court Justice Bill Clinton.

That provocative possibility has long been whispered in legal and political circles ever since Sen. Hillary Clinton became a viable candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Now a respected conservative law professor has openly predicted a future President Clinton would name her husband to the high court if a vacancy occurred.

Pepperdine Law School's Douglas Kmiec wrote recently in the Wall Street Journal, "The former president would be intrigued by court service and many would cheer him on."​

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The last sentence made me laugh out loud - a rarity for a CNN story:

The more immediate effect of such talk might be more practical: It could help motivate conservative voters in an election year to ensure no Clinton ever reaches the White House or the Supreme Court anytime soon.​

I would, however, make one change in that sentence, as to my personal preferences:

"... to ensure no Clinton - or Bush - ever reaches the White House or the Supreme Court anytime soon."​

Bush screwed that up by appointing 2 white men. The next 2 or 3 will be women.

He could always lead the UN though.

 

[smotherman]

I think we need to pass a law that says no more Clintons or Bushes can run for president.

Amen!

I second that motion!

I third that motion!

 

[Netzach]

Bush screwed that up by appointing 2 white men. The next 2 or 3 will be women.

He could always lead the UN though.

Doesn't the UN decide that?

 

[WriterDom]

The security counsel would surely veto any American. China or Russia or both. They usually settle on someone from a pissant country.



Not sure that Bill would want a real job. He has his pensions, speaking fees, and book royalties. I'm not even sure he wants to be first lady.

 

[midwestyankee]

The security counsel would surely veto any American. China or Russia or both. They usually settle on someone from a pissant country.



Not sure that Bill would want a real job. He has his pensions, speaking fees, and book royalties. I'm not even sure he wants to be first lady.

Along the lines of JFK installing RFK as his Attorney General, I could see a President HRC installing WJC as Secretary of State. He would almost certainly be her de facto first line of resource anyway, so we might as well have him hel accountable to the Senate rather than working fully behind the scenes with no accountability - which is what we had from her during his two terms.

And that, my friends, is a helluva lot more likely than appointing him to a lifetime post that would bore him to tears in one session.

 

[FurryFury]

The security counsel would surely veto any American. China or Russia or both. They usually settle on someone from a pissant country.



Not sure that Bill would want a real job. He has his pensions, speaking fees, and book royalties. I'm not even sure he wants to be first lady.

I'd like to see him in a dress though.

 

[Homburg]

Along the lines of JFK installing RFK as his Attorney General, I could see a President HRC installing WJC as Secretary of State. He would almost certainly be her de facto first line of resource anyway, so we might as well have him hel accountable to the Senate rather than working fully behind the scenes with no accountability - which is what we had from her during his two terms.

And that, my friends, is a helluva lot more likely than appointing him to a lifetime post that would bore him to tears in one session.

Frankly, he'd likely make a good SecState.

 

[Netzach]

Frankly, he'd likely make a good SecState.

Post presidential Bill is really looking good, actually, I agree. He's gaining some dignity and sounds like the Rhodes scholar not Bubba Bill.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Along the lines of JFK installing RFK as his Attorney General, I could see a President HRC installing WJC as Secretary of State. He would almost certainly be her de facto first line of resource anyway, so we might as well have him hel accountable to the Senate rather than working fully behind the scenes with no accountability - which is what we had from her during his two terms.

And that, my friends, is a helluva lot more likely than appointing him to a lifetime post that would bore him to tears in one session.

Thankfully, it can't happen.

Sally Bedell Smith wrote an interesting - and frankly, kind of scary - article in the Wall Street Journal, Opinion Journal section:

"The federal anti-nepotism law enacted in December 1967--partly as a reaction to John F. Kennedy's appointment of his brother Robert as attorney general--prohibits any official in the three branches of government, including the president, from appointing a relative to a job over which that official has authority or control. This means Mr. Clinton could not be a cabinet secretary or an ambassador, or White House chief of staff."​

She goes on to say in the same paragraph,

"His role would be necessarily ambiguous. At a time when voters are crying out for more openness in government, such an arrangement raises questions about transparency and accountability."​

For anyone who thinks Hillary has a good chance of being elected president, whether pro or con, the article presents a number of additional talking - and thinking - points that many have not yet (apparently) thought of.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Post presidential Bill is really looking good, actually, I agree. He's gaining some dignity and sounds like the Rhodes scholar not Bubba Bill.

I have to agree that - to me - he has appeared to gain some dignity and presence over the past seven years. Whether he has changed his habits and discovered truth - I don't know.

 

[Marquis]

I'm not even sure he wants to be first lady.

Neither am I, I've seen him in a few interviews and he seems less than enthusiastic about it.

 

[Marquis]

I have to agree that - to me - he has appeared to gain some dignity and presence over the past seven years. Whether he has changed his habits and discovered truth - I don't know.

Changed what habits?

Getting extramarital blowjobs? If this is what the truth is about, I'm in big fucking trouble.


And for what it's worth, I think the bubba bill, slick willy stuff is all really out of place. First off, you've gotta realize just how much talking this guy has had to do, and on how many different subjects. There isn't a goddamned person on this board, not a damn person anyone on this board knows personally, that could stand so tall under such extreme and pervasive scrutiny.

Bill Clinton eats, fucks and shits just like everyone else. Thank god they never caught him taking a mean shit or they'd probably try to impeach him for that.

Bill Clinton is one of the most intelligent, educated, wise and well-spoken leaders of our generation.

His only obstacle to unanimous respect was a society so spoiled rotten by the excesses he provided for them that they essentially went the Tyler Durden route and cannibalized themselves out of boredom.

 

[Netzach]

Changed what habits?

Getting extramarital blowjobs? If this is what the truth is about, I'm in big fucking trouble.


And for what it's worth, I think the bubba bill, slick willy stuff is all really out of place. First off, you've gotta realize just how much talking this guy has had to do, and on how many different subjects. There isn't a goddamned person on this board, not a damn person anyone on this board knows personally, that could stand so tall under such extreme and pervasive scrutiny.

Bill Clinton eats, fucks and shits just like everyone else. Thank god they never caught him taking a mean shit or they'd probably try to impeach him for that.

Bill Clinton is one of the most intelligent, educated, wise and well-spoken leaders of our generation.

His only obstacle to unanimous respect was a society so spoiled rotten by the excesses he provided for them that they essentially went the Tyler Durden route and cannibalized themselves out of boredom.

The last POTUS we had in love with the truth was Jimmy Carter. Probably one of the worst, even in my leftist estimation. Truth about personal morality is not in the national interest most of the time - where the pres has put his dick has been best left unasked for 200 odd years - why start that now?

Which was a more humiliating spectacle, Bubba or Jimmy sobbing like a little bitch "I have lusted in my heart?" To me there is nothing unethical about refusing to throw yourself to a pack of lying wolves over complete horse shit charges.

Lying cheating drunkard with clinical depression so bad that many days he was semifunctional - also genocidal thoughts about Ireland - you get Churchill.

A strict vegetarian into family values and getting the kids into the outdoors to learn stuff, never got drunk in public, rarely raised his voice outside of speaking engagements - and you have Hitler.

The only reason people like me have a field day with people like Jeff Gannon and Larry Craig is because they're out there shrieking about the immorality of being a homo. They're out there lauding absitnence only while running a gay escort ring. I honestly think there's a special corner of hell just for them and Roy Cohn and they deserve every bit of scorn they get.

 

[Netzach]

Changed what habits?

Getting extramarital blowjobs? If this is what the truth is about, I'm in big fucking trouble.


And for what it's worth, I think the bubba bill, slick willy stuff is all really out of place. First off, you've gotta realize just how much talking this guy has had to do, and on how many different subjects. There isn't a goddamned person on this board, not a damn person anyone on this board knows personally, that could stand so tall under such extreme and pervasive scrutiny.

Bill Clinton eats, fucks and shits just like everyone else. Thank god they never caught him taking a mean shit or they'd probably try to impeach him for that.

Bill Clinton is one of the most intelligent, educated, wise and well-spoken leaders of our generation.

His only obstacle to unanimous respect was a society so spoiled rotten by the excesses he provided for them that they essentially went the Tyler Durden route and cannibalized themselves out of boredom.

Every contemporary pres has handlers that effect how they talk, act, walk and what's said. Every one of them has speechwriters and a team of basically, marketing/advertising researchers.

Bubba was a construct that people *wanted* - I think Clinton *is* what we're seeing now, but what we're seeing now is too intimidatingly intellectual to ever have gotten the job. Intellectual is a political death knell in this country for reasons I don't get. Personally I want the person to be in charge to be smarter than I am and not someone I feel I could just hang with.

 

[AquaStarryNight]

Excellent point. I read this really great article about anti-intellectualism in the modern presidency, and it was basically an indictment of the last three populist Republican presidents (Eisenhower, Reagan, and Dubya) and how they've lowered the intellectual level of politics in this country.

The whole reason that the Founders established things like the Electoral College and state appointment of U.S. Senators was that they believed that the average, common person was not sufficiently intelligent or informed enough to make wise political decisions.

Somewhere along the way, Americans decided that rather than electing intellectuals to the most powerful position in the world, they wanted good ol' boys who could go knock back a beer on Saturday nights. Hence, America's current problems with education policy, health care (or the lack thereof), religious nutcases, and global warming.

 

[Netzach]

Excellent point. I read this really great article about anti-intellectualism in the modern presidency, and it was basically an indictment of the last three populist Republican presidents (Eisenhower, Reagan, and Dubya) and how they've lowered the intellectual level of politics in this country.

The whole reason that the Founders established things like the Electoral College and state appointment of U.S. Senators was that they believed that the average, common person was not sufficiently intelligent or informed enough to make wise political decisions.

Somewhere along the way, Americans decided that rather than electing intellectuals to the most powerful position in the world, they wanted good ol' boys who could go knock back a beer on Saturday nights. Hence, America's current problems with education policy, health care (or the lack thereof), religious nutcases, and global warming.

I think I just broke out in a rash from putting Ike with the latter. But it sounds like an interesting read.

Ike understood consequences, saw the world that was rolling into place in his time and foresaw the costs included in a really tragic, visionary way. And if you listen to any of his speeches they are so far over the heads of most people now you'd think he *was* an academic.

In short, he'd never be elected today, and I don't think we'll see his like in office again.

I like the idea of the average person being informed enough to make their choice. I think it's not accidental that education is cut back first, cut back aggressively and cut back with the least protest - because informed young voters are the last thing a lot of these guys want. And they're getting what they want, which is a more knee jerk less long-term thinking, shorter attention span, more isolationist public than ever before.

 

[Marquis]

Bubba was a construct that people *wanted* - I think Clinton *is* what we're seeing now, but what we're seeing now is too intimidatingly intellectual to ever have gotten the job. Intellectual is a political death knell in this country for reasons I don't get. Personally I want the person to be in charge to be smarter than I am and not someone I feel I could just hang with.

Alright, I have to mention something that will perhaps give my feelings towards the Clintons, both of them, a little more background.

As some of you may know, I got my bachelor's at Georgetown U. I think this used to be a secret, I can't remember anymore. Probably not.

Anyway, Bill Clinton also got his bachelor's at Gtown (as did Ken Starr, graduated same year I believe) and the school as an institution was obsessed with him. The love was bilateral, as he spoke at Georgetown often and apparently kept in touch with some of his old professors.

In any case, everyone had their Bill Clinton story.

I got mine when he came to speak about the latest issues in Nuclear Missile Defense.

He discussed the history of the issue, the available technology, how it works, its limitations, the economic factors, the possible foreign policy ramifications. He spoke with a fluency and an exactitude I have never seen before, ever. It was like he had the ability to read your mind and answer every question you could have, not before or after, but AS you were thinking it.

That was 7 years ago and I still fill like an expert in the issues pertaining to Nuclear Missile Defense.

There were cameras, but it wasn't broadcast nationally. It was mentioned, sure, a few (predictable) sound bytes were taken out of it and tossed here and there. That type of detail just doesn't make it out. The image is controlled, no doubt. The difference is Bush's outtakes make for a political spoof and Clinton's outtakes are over the head of Joe USA.

Oh yeah, and I totally shook his hand. He looked me right in the eye when he did it. There was nothing but pride and strength in those eyes and love in that handshake.

I can't possibly gush on my feelings about Bill enough.

His ability to be Bubba for the public and Clinton in the oval office was what made him so great, but my most prevalent memory of Bill Clinton will always be having my hair blown back by his brilliance on a specific topic with a substantive amount of time to discuss it.

This dude didn't fucking win the presidency, he earned it.

Oh and by the way, a guy who ran (and still runs) a fraternity that Clinton pledged to said Bill had his first kiss as a sophomore in college. My man was 20 when he had his first kiss, you're not going to tell me he can't get some fucking head in his middle ages.

 

[Netzach]

Alright, I have to mention something that will perhaps give my feelings towards the Clintons, both of them, a little more background.

As some of you may know, I got my bachelor's at Georgetown U. I think this used to be a secret, I can't remember anymore. Probably not.

Anyway, Bill Clinton also got his bachelor's at Gtown (as did Ken Starr, graduated same year I believe) and the school as an institution was obsessed with him. The love was bilateral, as he spoke at Georgetown often and apparently kept in touch with some of his old professors.

In any case, everyone had their Bill Clinton story.

I got mine when he came to speak about the latest issues in Nuclear Missile Defense.

He discussed the history of the issue, the available technology, how it works, its limitations, the economic factors, the possible foreign policy ramifications. He spoke with a fluency and an exactitude I have never seen before, ever. It was like he had the ability to read your mind and answer every question you could have, not before or after, but AS you were thinking it.

That was 7 years ago and I still fill like an expert in the issues pertaining to Nuclear Missile Defense.

There were cameras, but it wasn't broadcast nationally. It was mentioned, sure, a few (predictable) sound bytes were taken out of it and tossed here and there. That type of detail just doesn't make it out. The image is controlled, no doubt. The difference is Bush's outtakes make for a political spoof and Clinton's outtakes are over the head of Joe USA.

Oh yeah, and I totally shook his hand. He looked me right in the eye when he did it. There was nothing but pride and strength in those eyes and love in that handshake.

I can't possibly gush on my feelings about Bill enough.

His ability to be Bubba for the public and Clinton in the oval office was what made him so great, but my most prevalent memory of Bill Clinton will always be having my hair blown back by his brilliance on a specific topic with a substantive amount of time to discuss it.

This dude didn't fucking win the presidency, he earned it.

Oh and by the way, a guy who ran (and still runs) a fraternity that Clinton pledged to said Bill had his first kiss as a sophomore in college. My man was 20 when he had his first kiss, you're not going to tell me he can't get some fucking head in his middle ages.

I think I finally "got" him on NPR. It might have been their press club broadcasts. Minus the handshake, I was kind of blown away that this was the person behind the curtain for those four years.

Heh. I was 18. And I could not run for block president with my background. I'd like more head, though, couldn't everyone use some more?

I think he inspires passion though, in a way that Mrs. doesn't. She just doesn't fire me up about anything and I'd like to be fired up.

I maintain she's John Kerry, basically. Her appeal lies in her not-Bushness largely. Edwards and Obama both have more fuel than that.

I mean, it's finally set for health care reform, it's not just you and me getting screwed but large businesses in untenable situations, which was what everyone SAID would happen. You'd think she could get everyone who sat by undecided when they blocked the whole reform the first time around foaming at the mouth again better than Edwards and Obama put together. Bill could make a person feel it.

For everything said negatively about Clinton, I voted in that presidential election as my first in college, and four years later left school with ample job prospects and a strong economy boosting them. I joked about my friend getting her dog a job - there were desperate help wanted signs and incentives blooming like empty loft constructions all over town are now. I'm really easy - I want an environment that gives me a shot as a small business owner who wants to work hard. People act like Democrats are all mini Fidels when it comes to business. Get a grip.

If people want an example of an industry unhindered by regulation, buy some chinese toys and lick.

 

[JMohegan]

Alright, I have to mention something that will perhaps give my feelings towards the Clintons, both of them, a little more background.

I agree with everything you're saying about Bill. He was (is) a very rare combination of uber-charismatic guy and policy wonk.


By the way - Don't know if you watched the debates last night, but I thought of you when Bill Richardson said: "Look, what we need is change. There's no question. But, you know, whatever happened to experience? Is experience kind of a leper?"

 

[WriterDom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apv5KWHgXTE

This is very telling of Hillary's downfall. Yeah, it's Fox News but I don't think they are plants.

 

[JMohegan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apv5KWHgXTE

This is very telling of Hillary's downfall. Yeah, it's Fox News but I don't think they are plants.

I don't think they're plants, either. I actually agree with most of the comments in that clip.

 

[Marquis]

For everything said negatively about Clinton, I voted in that presidential election as my first in college, and four years later left school with ample job prospects and a strong economy boosting them. I joked about my friend getting her dog a job - there were desperate help wanted signs and incentives blooming like empty loft constructions all over town are now. I'm really easy - I want an environment that gives me a shot as a small business owner who wants to work hard. People act like Democrats are all mini Fidels when it comes to business. Get a grip.

If people want an example of an industry unhindered by regulation, buy some chinese toys and lick.

This is fucking poetic and I couldn't possibly agree more.

When I started college in 2000, the air was palpable with the excitement of opportunity. By the time I graduated, the party was over and you can't blame 9/11 for ALL that shit.

 

[Marquis]

I agree with everything you're saying about Bill. He was (is) a very rare combination of uber-charismatic guy and policy wonk.


By the way - Don't know if you watched the debates last night, but I thought of you when Bill Richardson said: "Look, what we need is change. There's no question. But, you know, whatever happened to experience? Is experience kind of a leper?"

No, I did not, I didn't even know there was a debate actually. Was it like a pre-new hampshire thing?

I actually hate missing opportunities to judge the candidates, I try to tivo as many of these things as possible.

Interesting Richardson comment. Wonder if he's considering a Clinton/Richardson ticket. I wonder at what stage these people stop considering their own candidacies credible.