Disaster in the Making

[BotanyBoy]

How do we benefit from eternal war for no reason?

What is an alliance that offer NOTHING to us worth to you?

Any of the suddenly war happy "progressives" ???

 

[dagdag]

https://anfenglishmobile.com/features/pkk-letter-to-the-american-people-and-president-trump-38561

Is that why Turks opened up their borders to Iraq to avoid the extermination of Kurds at the hands of Saddam? Is that why they opened up their borders to about 500,000 Kurds and only to have them return back to Iraq once the no flight zone was established in northern Iraq?

Is that why they currently hold 3.6Million SYrian refugees where hundreds of thousands of Kurds are included in those numbers? All rhetorical questions!!!

Perhaps, they did open up their borders to avoid a PR game and spent about 40billion dollars for that purpose on these refugees.. Whereas they could have spent that money here lobbying and would not have to worry about at all \

The truth is not black and white. Surely the Kurds in Turkey and Syria and Iran and Iraq suffered. All of those people suffered, not just the Kurds. It is the PKK not the Kurds, stupid!

PKK being a Marxist Leninist organization killed Kurds and has been killing Kurds themselves if they are not sharing the same ideology.

To PKK/YPG it wouldnt matter if you are a Kurd or not. It is the PKK not the Kurds, stupid!

We also need to consider the fact that Kurds as well as Turks and Arabs are all mixed together. People fall in love and get married. Turks with Kurdish relatives, Kurds with Arab relatives so on and so forth... They had been living there for hundreds of years... It is the terrorist organization PKK/YPG????, not the Kurds, stupid!

 

[suurfer]

Another criticism of the partisanship of the American press was their use of the word "Turkey's illegal invasion of another country."

Given that Americans are there ilegally too.
That -like him or not- Assad was the elected ruler of his country. And he invited Russia and Iran to fight ISIS, who were thus legally over there.

I'm not saying that they're right, but someone needs to draw the war in Syria in colored crayons for me.
They all claimed that they are there to fight ISIS, but somehow they ended up fighting each other.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Has the iceberg sunk Syria yet?

 

[suurfer]

*waits to hear trump loudly denounce putin for allowing these hospitals to be bombed*

not holding my breath

lol the Board's SJWer strikes again.

 

[suurfer]

She's basically asking Putin to start ww3, based on CNN memes.

 

[jomar]

Even Moscow Mitch is condemning the withdrawal...that speaks volumes.

Sort of reminds me of the time Trump hired the only economist in the world who thought a trade war was a good idea...

 

[SpeareChucker]

We're winning that trade war...

 

[suurfer]

Even Moscow Mitch is condemning the withdrawal...that speaks volumes.

Sort of reminds me of the time Trump hired the only economist in the world who thought a trade war was a good idea...

Americans created the situation, by keeping a world recognised terrorist organization at the border with Turkey. It's easy to deflect by condemning a country whose goal is to protect it's own sovereignty.

 

[bellisarius]

Americans created the situation, by keeping a world recognised terrorist organization at the border with Turkey. It's easy to deflect by condemning a country whose goal is to protect it's own sovereignty.

Yes and no. We have no way of knowing who's a member of what before the fact. It's not as if they have uniforms with patches and the like.

 

[Conager]

How is Cindy Sheehan these days? I haven't seen her at any Democrat rallies in a while, I hope she's okay.

 

[Adre]

We're winning that trade war...

Prove it with facts.

 

[suurfer]

Yes and no. We have no way of knowing who's a member of what before the fact. It's not as if they have uniforms with patches and the like.

It's a muddled situation. And my understanding of the Middle East is not that better than butter's.

But I'm bewildered by the Western press's deliberate misinformation and lack of nuance. People turn to RT and Al Jazeera because of that.

 

[bellisarius]

It's a muddled situation. And my understanding of the Middle East is not that better than butter's.

But I'm bewildered by the Western press's deliberate misinformation and lack of nuance. People turn to RT and Al Jazeera because of that.

There's 1400 years of history there and the US press is designed to work in 24 hour news cycles.

 

[jomar]

We're winning that trade war...

So says your fearless leader.

Americans created the situation, by keeping a world recognised terrorist organization at the border with Turkey. It's easy to deflect by condemning a country whose goal is to protect it's own sovereignty.

So you agree with Trump’s abrupt twitter withdrawal signaling both weakness and that the US can no longer be trusted. Got it.

 

[suurfer]

There's 1400 years of history there and the US press is designed to work in 24 hour news cycles.

It's not just the US press, I browsed through international ones and most of them do just C&Ped memes. But yes, the US is the leader, most just follow through.
But there's no denying that most Western press is becoming either increasingly dumbed down, or mostly propagandistic or is catering to a dumbed down public. It's a shame that people are now turning to your enemies for information.

 

[SpeareChucker]

So says your fearless leader.



So you agree with Trump’s abrupt twitter withdrawal signaling both weakness and that the US can no longer be trusted. Got it.

I voted for Gary Johnson.
Please either get your facts straight or simply go fuck yourself.

 

[jomar]

It's not just the US press, I browsed through international ones and most of them do just C&Ped memes. But yes, the US is the leader, most just follow through.
But there's no denying that most Western press is becoming either increasingly dumbed down, or mostly propagandistic or is catering to a dumbed down public. It's a shame that people are now turning to your enemies for information.

Many books have been written on the dumbing down of America. Fast food cash registers are one example.

 

[jomar]

I voted for Gary Johnson.
Please either get your facts straight or simply go fuck yourself.

LOL, sure you did Mr. Crankypants.

 

[phrodeau]

It's not just the US press, I browsed through international ones and most of them do just C&Ped memes. But yes, the US is the leader, most just follow through.
But there's no denying that most Western press is becoming either increasingly dumbed down, or mostly propagandistic or is catering to a dumbed down public. It's a shame that people are now turning to your enemies for information.

That’s where to find agreement with the President.

 

[zipman]

A few quotes from William H. McRaven's op ed

"If President Trump doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office."

...

But, beneath the outward sense of hope and duty that I witnessed at these two events, there was an underlying current of frustration, humiliation, anger and fear that echoed across the sidelines. The America that they believed in was under attack, not from without, but from within.

These men and women, of all political persuasions, have seen the assaults on our institutions: on the intelligence and law enforcement community, the State Department and the press. They have seen our leaders stand beside despots and strongmen, preferring their government narrative to our own. They have seen us abandon our allies and have heard the shouts of betrayal from the battlefield. As I stood on the parade field at Fort Bragg, one retired four-star general, grabbed my arm, shook me and shouted, “I don’t like the Democrats, but Trump is destroying the Republic!”

…

If our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us? If we can’t have faith in our nation’s principles, why would the men and women of this nation join the military? And if they don’t join, who will protect us? If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us — where will the world end up?

President Trump seems to believe that these qualities are unimportant or show weakness. He is wrong. These are the virtues that have sustained this nation for the past 243 years. If we hope to continue to lead the world and inspire a new generation of young men and women to our cause, then we must embrace these values now more than ever.

And if this president doesn’t understand their importance, if this president doesn’t demonstrate the leadership that America needs, both domestically and abroad, then it is time for a new person in the Oval Office — Republican, Democrat or independent — the sooner, the better. The fate of our Republic depends upon it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So not a singe suddenly pro war forever for no reason “progressive” can offer a single reason as to why we should stay involved and in a pointless and never ending war???

I’m dying of NOT shock here

 

[suurfer]

Many books have been written on the dumbing down of America. Fast food cash registers are one example.

I'm not referring to Americans, just to the press.
The memes over the last week were pretty Mao-istic, which led to so many people that I know, turning to. Al Jazeera and RT for info:

This made me laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULPp-QmM-IM

 

[SpeareChucker]

LOL, sure you did Mr. Crankypants.

So, you're accusing me of lying?

 

[SpeareChucker]

So not a singe suddenly pro war forever for no reason “progressive” can offer a single reason as to why we should stay involved and in a pointless and never ending war???

I’m dying of NOT shock here

It is humorous as to how quickly the tune was changed
from support for sudden withdrawals to objecting to them.

Is it possible that they learned a lesson taught to the the hard way by President Obama
or is it most likely that they are just mindlessly opposed to any action by President Trump?