Does American Politcs affect you?

[Teenage Venus]

We should have not gotten involved in World War !!, but simply let Hitler conquer the entire European continent, or perhaps we never should have fought the Revolutionary War that won our nations its freedom from Mother England?

WOW! As a teenager, I don't really know where to start. You make SO many assumtions and flawed statements.

Let's take WW11 - USA went on the side of the 'Allies' by ONE VOTE - or we'd have been with Hitler (Check the.)

We were stopped by the British from starting WW111 (Check the 'Liberty ' incident - I can give you a full rundown if you want. We armed Sadaam against Iran with chemicals and munitions - sure they hate us. We put Pol Pot into power (The guy with the 6,000,000 skulls as souveneers.) Then took him out - then put him back, lol.

That should give you something to think about for starter, and is just the tip of the iceburg.

Well, a church bell for starters is located in one place, and rung once a week. Muslims wish to install speakers in multiple places in a community, and play them four times a day. I pay taxes, bought a house in a quiet neighborhood, and do not want to have to listen to a call to prayer four times a day, nor do I feel I should be forced to.

Tough Titty. The churchbells in MY locality bellow out over loud speakers a MINIMUM of three times a day for 'Angelus' at 7:30 am, at noon, and every evening at dusk. Over and above that, they clang out and toll for a quarter hour to guide the 'faithfull' to every service. (Three each Sunday for starters.)

I'm all for free speech, and expressing my own opinion. I try to get my facts right before spouting.

Don't knock the educational teachings of other countries whilst professing it don't happen in this country. Our 'history' teachings are more flawed than most, as is what children can read, or teachers teach. (If you want examples I can give them.)

Sit back, cool off, then check facts (and for goodness sake don't use the news of the world as a sourse of 'fact'. It is as flawed as those oft quoted from the bible as 'proof' and 'fact'.)

As a teenager I begin to understand the legacy we have been left by older generations, and some of the misconceptions spouted by some of them.

Normally, I would say, 'pick on someone your own size' to browbeat and earbash, in this instance it seems it is hardly necessary from most of what you write. I do not dismiss it ALL out of hand, however, the arguments and 'proof' you supply to support your 'facts' are less than convincing.

 

[shereads]

Iran was and is a far greater danger to America than Saddam and Iraq ever thought of being. Further more, it is a cleric who for many months now has been waging war against our troops in Iraq, or have you missed that on CNN and Fox? Maybe you missed the reports of the cleric who was/is demanding final say every step of the way as a democracy tries to form in that nation.

Are you deliberately missing the point here?

You are concerned about the expansion of Islam, but defending our invasion of Iraq. You're contradicting your own argument.

You're also parrotting the thoroughly debunked myth that Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11 ~ other than being the object of the end game, in that Bin Laden's goal was to instigate an invasion of an oil-rich country in the Middle East by the U.S., which would (has) confirm what he'd been saying about us, and would vastly expand the pool of recruits to terrorism.

Saddam Hussein was our creation. Reagan's, specifically, and Bush I's, and Britain's, and France's. Together we protected him from U.N. censure when he used chemical weapons against Iran. He was too good a customer for the arms we were selling him in violation of a weapons ban to which we were signatory.

Like Saddam, the advance of extremist forms of Islam in the Middle East was in part our creation as well. There is a lesson to be learned from the fact that Israel has not been able to diffuse the Palestinian situation by killing innocents along with the guilty. They've turned Palestine into a manufacturing plant for martyrs to Islam. And now we've done the same thing on a vastly larger scale in Iraq.

Where have you been?

 

[cloudy]

Are you deliberately missing the point here?

You are concerned about the expansion of Islam, but defending our invasion of Iraq. You're contradicting your own argument.

You're also parrotting the thoroughly debunked myth that Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11 ~ other than being the object of the end game, in that Bin Laden's goal was to instigate an invasion of an oil-rich country in the Middle East by the U.S., which would (has) confirm what he'd been saying about us, and would vastly expand the pool of recruits to terrorism.

Saddam Hussein was our creation. Reagan's, specifically, and Bush I's, and Britain's, and France's. Together we protected him from U.N. censure when he used chemical weapons against Iran. He was too good a customer for the arms we were selling him in violation of a weapons ban to which we were signatory.

Like Saddam, the advance of extremist forms of Islam in the Middle East was in part our creation as well. There is a lesson to be learned from the fact that Israel has not been able to diffuse the Palestinian situation by killing innocents along with the guilty. They've turned Palestine into a manufacturing plant for martyrs to Islam. And now we've done the same thing on a vastly larger scale in Iraq.

Where have you been?

In his pool, behind his 700k house, worrying about the calls to prayer that he might have to hear one day.

Go, Sher.

 

[shereads]

In his pool, behind his 700k house, worrying about the calls to prayer that he might have to hear one day.

Go, Sher.

I may install the speakers myself. I'm feeling downright Islamic suddenly. Except for the wardrobe, and the religious stuff, and the obedience to men. One man, perhaps, but he would have to -

Oops. I digress.

 

[cloudy]

I may install the speakers myself. I'm feeling downright Islamic suddenly. Except for the wardrobe, and the religious stuff, and the obedience to men. One man, perhaps, but he would have to -

Oops. I digress.

 

[Guest]

I'm really pissed now. $700K only gets you a condo in San Francisco.

flat renter, Perdita

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Are you deliberately missing the point here?

You are concerned about the expansion of Islam, but defending our invasion of Iraq. You're contradicting your own argument.

You're also parrotting the thoroughly debunked myth that Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11 ~ other than being the object of the end game, in that Bin Laden's goal was to instigate an invasion of an oil-rich country in the Middle East by the U.S., which would (has) confirm what he'd been saying about us, and would vastly expand the pool of recruits to terrorism.

Saddam Hussein was our creation. Reagan's, specifically, and Bush I's, and Britain's, and France's. Together we protected him from U.N. censure when he used chemical weapons against Iran. He was too good a customer for the arms we were selling him in violation of a weapons ban to which we were signatory.

Like Saddam, the advance of extremist forms of Islam in the Middle East was in part our creation as well. There is a lesson to be learned from the fact that Israel has not been able to diffuse the Palestinian situation by killing innocents along with the guilty. They've turned Palestine into a manufacturing plant for martyrs to Islam. And now we've done the same thing on a vastly larger scale in Iraq.

Where have you been?

You've been reading far to much in the Christian Science Monitor.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

I'm really pissed now. $700K only gets you a condo in San Francisco.

flat renter, Perdita

In San Francisco proper, you would be correct, but move out into say the Mission District and some of the other outskirts of the city and what you get for your money increases. We had a Brownstone on 83rd and Amsterdam and for that piece of real estate, you are looking at 6.2 million if you want to live in Manhatten proper. No yard, no garden, and no parking so we gave it up and moved to the burbs.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

I'm really pissed now. $700K only gets you a condo in San Francisco.

flat renter, Perdita

Come try New England. You can get a old house the size of a closet for about 350k here. At least in my town. Anything larger than that will cost at least half a mill.

(Yeah, I know... why the hell would anyone want to live in New England. )

CD ~ Owner of a closet sized old house

 

[Guest]

Thanks, CD. I tried N.E. once (Coventry and New Haven, CT). My flat's under rent-control so I'm Ok (until my landlord dies and his greedy daughter takes over). I was actually trying to be sarcastic above. Doesn't always work.

Perdita

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Are you deliberately missing the point here?

You are concerned about the expansion of Islam, but defending our invasion of Iraq. You're contradicting your own argument.

You're also parrotting the thoroughly debunked myth that Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11 ~ other than being the object of the end game, in that Bin Laden's goal was to instigate an invasion of an oil-rich country in the Middle East by the U.S., which would (has) confirm what he'd been saying about us, and would vastly expand the pool of recruits to terrorism.

Saddam Hussein was our creation. Reagan's, specifically, and Bush I's, and Britain's, and France's. Together we protected him from U.N. censure when he used chemical weapons against Iran. He was too good a customer for the arms we were selling him in violation of a weapons ban to which we were signatory.

Like Saddam, the advance of extremist forms of Islam in the Middle East was in part our creation as well. There is a lesson to be learned from the fact that Israel has not been able to diffuse the Palestinian situation by killing innocents along with the guilty. They've turned Palestine into a manufacturing plant for martyrs to Islam. And now we've done the same thing on a vastly larger scale in Iraq.

Where have you been?

We are in Iraq, so I support our troops. In fact, I would support taking the gloves off and letting our troops declare and enforce martial law until things are brought under control there. Did I support us going there in the first place...No, because we had Saddam bottled up, and I would have used our resources in a far different fashion that Bush has. However, once we are committed to a plan of attack, going to support our troops, and our country. Personally, since most of the attacks are being orchestrated with the authorization and blessing of the Clerics and mosgues in the area, I would start taking the mosques out. You may not like that reality, but quarantee you a few mosques latter and people would see that the attacks on our troops stopped.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

Thanks, CD. I tried N.E. once (Coventry and New Haven, CT). My flat's under rent-control so I'm Ok (until my landlord dies and his greedy daughter takes over). I was actually trying to be sarcastic above. Doesn't always work.

Perdita

I was trying to be too. Guess mine didn't work either.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

Thanks, CD. I tried N.E. once (Coventry and New Haven, CT). My flat's under rent-control so I'm Ok (until my landlord dies and his greedy daughter takes over). I was actually trying to be sarcastic above. Doesn't always work.

Perdita

Rent control needs to be outlawed...why should a property owner not be allowed to rent his/her holdings out for what the market will bear, instead of being held to an artificially low pricing index created to allow low income people to continue living in an area where prices have dramatically increased.

I am sure you'll disagree, but rent controls first and foremost have not kept up with what it costs to maintain a property, and additionally, the value when you try to resell a rent controlled piece of property is lower than it would be without said controls, which effectively denies the owner the full rights of their property.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

What a fucking hypocrite you are! My people were here first...I don't see you rushing to learn our ways, do I?

As I said, typical middle-age, white crap. You do your race a disservice. Why don't you take some of your own stupid advice and learn the ways of the people that were here FIRST, asshole?

Cloudy is abso-fuckin-lutely correct.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

Gee, you do love to draw odd conclusions. Take a look at this thread, and you would see that first and foremost, I did not start the personal attacks. Like it or not, Cloudy jumped in right from the start and used words deliberately meant to inflame peoples passions, and label me a bigot. Excuse me if I felt I had a right after her continued verbal abuses to take the gloves off and fight her at her own level down in the sewers.

Her writing....NEWSFLASH....I'd already gone through her writings and was not at all impressed. I would not have commented on her writings at all if SHE HAD NOT brought them up herself in this thread. In short, her work is very poorly constructed, and not deserving of any real serious consideration. I'm not here to win a popularity contest, not here to have throngs of friends racing to my stories to prop up my ego by awarding ill deserved and undeserved high ratings. Some people like me, others do not, and that is as life should be.

As for deliberate attacks by 1 bombing...you do not see me sitting on this board in this thread whining and bemoaning the fact that some idiot wrongfully 1 bombed my work during my participation in this thread...shrug...guess it does not bother me as much as I am not here to worry about artificial rankings.

As for your saying that you didn't start the personal attacks?...Well you sure did continue with them, didn't you? You're acting like a ten year old with a foot-stamping problem. Let me tell you a little something: bitching about seven million illegal aliens on an EROTIC WEBSITE message board really isn't going to get much done. I mean, for God's sake, if you're so up in arms about these seven million aliens, you'd better get your ass moving, because, you know, it's going to take YEARS to even make a dent in that little "problem".

God forbid your swimming pool should have a rat in it. You're a selfish, politically and otherwise perverse human being (I'm being nice, giving you that title) who would probably like nothing better than to abide by Hitler's philosophies of genocide and purity.

Third, you have absolutely shit to complain about with your perfect little life. You live where, in a nice, middle-upper class suburb of New York? What's more than that, is that you're heartless. If you were living in said suburb, doing as psychocatblah suggested, then that would be a whole different box of donuts. But you, my little friend, are nothing more to me and 99% of the other posters on this board than disgusting, degrading scum who make America look worse than it already is. Tuck your racism in a little better, because I can see it poking out from under the mattress. Tell the truth now, this isn't just about seven million illegal aliens, is it?

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Jeez... how'd I miss /this/ party?

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Re: Do American Politics affect you?

Answer: Not since I began taking the new wonder drug Fuckitall <insert trademark>. After only a week on it, I have renewed lack of emotion over anything related to a lie that's so overly outstayed its welcome in American mythos. Plus, as an added bonus, I no longer care if Baal or Beelzebub will win the Executive Vice Director of Executive Vice Directors position in Hell. Thank you Fuckitall. You're a lifesaver.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

Re: Re: Do American Politics affect you?

Answer: Not since I began taking the new wonder drug Fuckitall <insert trademark>. After only a week on it, I have renewed lack of emotion over anything related to a lie that's so overly outstayed its welcome in American mythos. Plus, as an added bonus, I no longer care if Baal or Beelzebub will win the Executive Vice Director of Executive Vice Directors position in Hell. Thank you Fuckitall. You're a lifesaver.

well goddamn now where i can get me some of that??

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Re: Re: Re: Do American Politics affect you?

well goddamn now where i can get me some of that??

At your local evil pharmacy and new age heretic devil worship center and espresso bar.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Do American Politics affect you?

At your local evil pharmacy and new age heretic devil worship center and espresso bar.

oh an espresso bar! there's one of those right in my building. i'll be frequenting that spot more often now.