Does American Politcs affect you?

[Shallkneel4u]

I did go back, all the fuckin way you stupid idiot. This isn't your thread, it doesn't even belong to the person who started it. It is now yours, stand there and fuckin punch anybody, bomb everybody, and attack and counter attack you ass off. This thread is proof you can not discuss anything, bye, have a nice evening, Lisa.

Gee, you have some serious anger issues inside of you there sweetie.....have you considered seeing a professional to get to the root of why you are such a fucking bitch?

 

[Shallkneel4u]

I have a question for you Shall if you can't even stomach the idea of having to flip burgers or work at a wal mart how would you feel about working a 12 hour day at say a farm harvesting produce for american supermarkets for less than 50$ a day?

Try asking me a question based in reality. Furthermore, if a person is working in the good old USof A for 50 cents a day, then they have issues.

Now, do some people in other countries work for such disparaging wages....absolutely. However, it would seem to me that they then need to organize and effect change within the borders of their homelands just as we did in our country back many many years ago. You want an idea of what the labor situation was like here 100 years ago, go read Upton Sinclair's The Jungle. America is the most giving nation in the entire world, and yet we are villainized and dispised as bullies, and when we do not help out are considered to be pikers....well, if we are such big bad bullies, then maybe we should as a nation take a step back for awhile, cease our handouts all over the world, and let everyone fend for themselves. But, if someone is working for 50 cents an hour, it is not necessarily our job to help them make more money by say boycotting their product.

 

[Teenage Venus]

I lighter view on American politics - inspired by the Bush election.

I COULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

Those of you who know me, know I would never dream of running another human being down – well not unless I was driving a substantial 4X4.

However, I do have this thing about Texans. It stems from my acquaintance with them wherever our paths have crossed. I suppose I just cotton on to some folk – and consider the rest ‘cotton-pickers’.

You ever been to Texas? – Well don’t come whining to me with your troubles.

Texas. Ha!: Ever wondered why they call it the Lone Star State? I think they have one hell of a cheek – If it were a hotel, only the manager would have the gall to give it a whole One Star rating.

Texas has some lovely towns, take Dallas – Yes, PLEASE take Dallas. As for Lubbock, well Lubbock is rather like an Andy Warhol painting, and best viewed from a distance – preferably one hell of a distance. Among its many assets, surely its airport takes pride of place. From there, you can get the hell out of Texas fast.

The very name Lubbock has a magical ring to it, almost onomatopoeic. Luub - bockkk. It sounds just like a constipated longhorn straining and evacuating its bowels in one great heave onto the hard baked earth.

I used to wonder about that song, ‘I Love Paris in the Springtime…’ Why Paris? I thought; Obvious really: One could hardly sing, ‘I Love Houston’, for instance. That would have neither rhyme nor reason – and only a madman would believe it.

Another thing I wondered about was why so many Texans are called Tex? Of course, when you give it some thought, it's common sense really. Even the Preachers there can spell ‘Tex’, when writing birth or marriage certificates.

As for teachers! Think of the time it must save them when enrolling children at the start of a new semester.

“What is your name Tex?” The teacher asks.

“Tex ma’am.” The child replies. The teacher starts to write, spelling out loud,

“Tttt – Eee - Eexxx. Got it. Next boy, what is your name?”

“Tex ma’am.”

Just think of that teacher’s relief. All she has to do, as all the other children answer, is write a column of double dots. (“Ddddot, dddot, dddot, dddot.”)

If a father has more than one child, he is saved the embarrassment of forgetting or calling the wrong name. He just calls ‘Tex’ and gets it right every time.

Then of course there are those personal forms they have to fill in.

NAME: that’s easy, they can most all remember to put ‘Tex’.

FATHER’S NAME: Now this could be tricky – especially as most Mums aren’t sure either. However, put ‘Tex’ and the young Texan can be 99% sure he answered correctly.

I told you I had this thing about Texans, well it has always been my belief that Texans were more full of wind, shit, and bull, than any other race. This started a discussion between some friends and myself – well all right then, it was a full-blown bloody argument. (And may start another war on here )

One thought that the Irish would be winners of any such contest. Another favoured the four X-drinking Aussies. A Canadian friend was prepared to back any Frenchman to win. Upshot of all this was that we decided to hold a contest. Each of us would provide a contestant of choice. We would have a small wager – Winner takes all.

A venue had to be selected. This must be somewhere where we could be sure of the presiding officials being totally impartial. Unanimously we agreed on Miami. (Joke.) This proved to be an inspired choice.

When we approached the town dignitaries, they not only agreed to run the contest, but also offered to supply the prize. Both the Mayor and Chief of Police promised that they would make the winner the new President of the United States. (They'd done it before.)

The contest was quite a simple one. To see which contestant was most full of wind and shit, each of them would have a cork inserted in their rectum for a period of twenty-four hours. At the end of this time, they would line up in turn, drop their trousers, bend over, and discharge the cork. The winner to be the one propelling their cork the greatest distance.

I knew a professional Matador that had lived all his life in Miami. He was the first to admit he had never been called on to perform there. However, given his trade, I figured he would know quite a bit about bullshit. He was elected as Official Starter.

The great day came; contestants were duly corked and lined up at the appropriate hour. Each bared his buttocks, bent and discharged in turn.

I'd chosen my entry because he was a regular average product of the State, though, admittedly, his IQ of 47 was higher than most, and - being only six foot five - he was pretty small for a Texan . However, I had the greatest confidence in him upholding their State tradition of being made up of 95% wind and shit. He did not let me down. He was drawn last in the line-up.

Forty-seven inches was the best distance achieved – This by the beer-swilling Aussie. My Texan, as last contestant, had just that distance to beat for me to be declared the winner. Dropping his trousers, and bending over, he awaited the Starters’ command to ‘Let Rip.’ As the Starter yelled out the command, Tex obliged.

His cork sped out at great speed. Some onlookers said, ‘Almost as fast as the FBI claimed L. H. Oswald had loaded and fired three shots from a bolt action rifle’. Others claimed it left Tex’s arsehole faster than O. J. left the murder scene - trouble was, nobody could find the cork.

Neither police nor bloodhounds could trace it. Even George Michael couldn’t sniff it out. The contest remained in the balance. It was only when a strange phenomenon was reported as an additional item of National News the following morning that I was declared the winner of the wager.

The news item displayed the headlines of the Ohio Daily News. It read,

“SHORT SHARP SHOWER OF SHITE IN CINCINNATI – COW KILLED BY FLYING CORK”

Well, I COULD have been the next President. Somehow the thought of being remembered as just another President elected by 'Miami Vice' and a ‘Blowjob” didn’t appeal to me.
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PS: Written with tongue firmly in cheek, as it is my firm belief that Texans are no worse than the average American of any other State.

 

[Lisa Denton]

I lighter view on American politics - inspired by the Bush election.

I COULD HAVE BEEN THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE USA.

Those of you who know me, know I would never dream of running another human being down – well not unless I was driving a substantial 4X4.

However, I do have this thing about Texans. It stems from my acquaintance with them wherever our paths have crossed. I suppose I just cotton on to some folk – and consider the rest ‘cotton-pickers’.

You ever been to Texas? – Well don’t come whining to me with your troubles.

Texas. Ha!: Ever wondered why they call it the Lone Star State? I think they have one hell of a cheek – If it were a hotel, only the manager would have the gall to give it a whole One Star rating.

Texas has some lovely towns, take Dallas – Yes, PLEASE take Dallas. As for Lubbock, well Lubbock is rather like an Andy Warhol painting, and best viewed from a distance – preferably one hell of a distance. Among its many assets, surely its airport takes pride of place. From there, you can get the hell out of Texas fast.

The very name Lubbock has a magical ring to it, almost onomatopoeic. Luub - bockkk. It sounds just like a constipated longhorn straining and evacuating its bowels in one great heave onto the hard baked earth.

I used to wonder about that song, ‘I Love Paris in the Springtime…’ Why Paris? I thought; Obvious really: One could hardly sing, ‘I Love Houston’, for instance. That would have neither rhyme nor reason – and only a madman would believe it.

Another thing I wondered about was why so many Texans are called Tex? Of course, when you give it some thought, it's common sense really. Even the Preachers there can spell ‘Tex’, when writing birth or marriage certificates.

As for teachers! Think of the time it must save them when enrolling children at the start of a new semester.

“What is your name Tex?” The teacher asks.

“Tex ma’am.” The child replies. The teacher starts to write, spelling out loud,

“Tttt – Eee - Eexxx. Got it. Next boy, what is your name?”

“Tex ma’am.”

Just think of that teacher’s relief. All she has to do, as all the other children answer, is write a column of double dots. (“Ddddot, dddot, dddot, dddot.”)

If a father has more than one child, he is saved the embarrassment of forgetting or calling the wrong name. He just calls ‘Tex’ and gets it right every time.

Then of course there are those personal forms they have to fill in.

NAME: that’s easy, they can most all remember to put ‘Tex’.

FATHER’S NAME: Now this could be tricky – especially as most Mum aren’t sure either. However, put ‘Tex’ and the young Texan can be 99% sure he answered correctly.

I told you I had this thing about Texans, well it has always been my belief that Texans were more full of wind, shit, and bul,l than any other race. This started a discussion between some friends and myself – well all right then, it was a full-blown bloody argument. (And may start another war on her )

One thought that the Irish would be winners ofany such contest. Another favoured the four X-drinking Aussies. A Canadian friend was prepared to back any Frenchman to win. Upshot of all this was that we decided to hold a contest. Each of us would provide a contestant of choice. We would have a small wager – Winner takes all.

A venue had to be selected. This must be somewhere where we could be sure of the presiding officials being totally impartial. Unanimously we agreed on Miami. (Joke.) This proved to be an inspired choice.

When we approached the town dignitaries, they not only agreed to run the contest, but also offered to supply the prize. Both the Mayor and Chief of Police promised that they would make the winner the new President of the United States. (They'd done it before.)

The contest was quite a simple one. To see which contestant was most full of wind and shit, each of them would have a cork inserted in their rectum for a period of twenty-four hours. At the end of this time, they would line up in turn, drop their trousers, bend over, and discharge the cork. The winner to be the one propelling their cork the greatest distance.

I knew a professional Matador that had lived all his life in Miami. He was the first to admit he had never been called on to perform there. However, given his trade, I figured he would know quite a bit about bullshit. He was elected as Official Starter.

The great day came; contestants were duly corked and lined up at the appropriate hour. Each bared his buttocks, bent and discharged in turnHe was drawn last in the line-up.

I'd chosen my entry because he was a regular average product of the State, though, admittedly, his IQ of 47 was higher than most, and - being only six foot five - he was pretty small for a Texan . However, I had the greatest confidence in him upholding their State tradition of being made up of 95% wind and shit. He did not let me down.

Forty-seven inches was the best distance achieved – This by the beer-swilling Aussie. My Texan, as last contestant, had just that distance to beat for me to be declared the winner. Dropping his trousers, and bending over, he awaited the Starters’ command to ‘Let Rip.’ As the Starter yelled out the command, Tex obliged.

His cork sped out at great speed. Some onlookers said, ‘Almost as fast as the FBI claimed L. H. Oswald had loaded and fired three shots from a bolt action rifle’. Others claimed it left Tex’s arsehole faster than O. J. left the murder scene - trouble was, nobody could find the cork.

Neither police nor bloodhounds could trace it. Even George Michael couldn’t sniff it out. The contest remained in the balance. It was only when a strange phenomenon was reported as an additional item of National News the following morning that I was declared the winner of the wager.

The news item displayed the headlines of the Ohio Daily News. It read,

“SHORT SHARP SHOWER OF SHITE IN CINCINNATI – COW KILLED BY FLYING CORK”

Well, I COULD have been the next President. Somehow the thought of being remembered as just another President elected by 'Miami Vice' and a ‘Blowjob” didn’t appeal to me.
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PS: Written with tongue firmly in cheek, as it is my firm belief that Texans are no worse than the average American of any other State.

Great RFLMAO, I loved it and laughed, and I'm in Texas. Thanks for the smile you gave me.

 

[Teenage Venus]

Thanks Lisa - I was getting a bit sick at some needing to use so many expletives which only detract from any valid points of view or debate. I like to have a debate where the subject - - not the poster - is the prime target.

But there - I'm a wierd bitch

 

[Lisa Denton]

Thanks Lisa - I was getting a bit sick at some needing to use so many expletives which only detract from any valid points of view or debate. I like to have a debate where the subject - - not the poster - is the prime target.

But there - I'm a wierd bitch

Yea I got into it last night and after readin 7 pages to find out what happened I was a naughty girl, he, he. I was only mad cause Cloudy seemed so nice even though she was bein personally attacked. I got up this morning and had forgot all about and drinkin coffee and yawnin, and when I got bored and saw this thread your funny got me good. I'm still smilin. I like your political views.

 

[Teenage Venus]

I like your political views.

Ha! I was tempted to voice them, however, I managed to restrain myself, to save one or two embarrassment . It would be good to get some unbiased responses.

If us Americans only realised what the rest of the world REALLY think of us, a few may stop to ask why? And believe me it is nothing to do with the myth about them being jealous of us. And to start ANOTHER can of worms - if America paid her monetary debts she owes around the world, then she would be seeking aid from Mexico etc.

In the 'American Dream', anyone can make President. (All they need is to have a few spare millions, and promise other guys 'plumb' jobs in administration, and agree not to force big business to abolish slave labor, and, and keep the ban on developing countries, selling their products in a free market, and ensure they keep clear of any promises on reducing polution, and... and... and...) The rest of the world would laugh at us if we weren't such sanctimonious, 'unworldliwise' bullies.

We do NOTHING for any other country with altruistic intent, merely monetory gain. We set up, or support puppet dictators at whim. Support or condemn those like Saadam, Pol Pot, AK et al, or discard them, according to dictates of big business. We need to look to the mote in our own eye, before trying to dictate how other counries are self-governed, and by whom.

The SAD thing is, that from some comments on here - citizens actually BELIEVE the USA is an altruistic Godmother to the world.

My geography teacher made me think: She said, "We Americans tend to think we ARE the world, and the bits beyond our shores are populated by illiterate vagabonds."

She told us, "Never forget: you could drop the United States in The Sahara desert. And if it were, the rest of the world would feel the better for it. When you can vote, vote wisely, and know just who and WHAT you are voting for. That way, you as citizen can JUSTIFIABLY be proud to call yourself an American."

Coo! you nearly got me joining in

 

[Lisa Denton]

Teenage Venus For President!!!!!!!!!! (Cheers) (Applause)

 

[Teenage Venus]

Teenage Venus For President!!!!!!!!!! (Cheers) (Applause)

I'd never make it. I'm broke, and don't like asses

 

[Lisa Denton]

I'd never make it. I'm broke, and don't like asses

I will make a donation to your election campaign, lets see I got 57 cents, you give such great speeches, I'd rather listen to you than those other guys. You make me laugh, they make me yawn. I don't think you have to like asses to be in office, its just that most offices are filled by asses. You could be the wave of the future - TRUTH - JUSTICE - AND THE AMERICAN WAY - WITH A FEW LAUGHS THROWN IN.

 

[Teenage Venus]

I will make a donation to your election campaign, lets see I got 57 cents,

That is exceptionly kind of you Lisa. I don't want to leave you broke, so just send the half dollar. I'll email my bank details. (It will shock them that it's actually a pay-in, but the swine deserve to be shocked.)

- TRUTH - JUSTICE - AND THE AMERICAN WAY - WITH A FEW LAUGHS THROWN IN.

Better drop the 'truth' bit, 'cos some swine will dig out that I lied. (I must confess to having kissed a few rosy cheeks - but not for political reasons )

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

I'd never make it. I'm broke, and don't like asses

Well Teenage Venus, since I lost this thread to the bigotry of Shall should we open up a thread to elect you as President? You got my vote if you don't like asses. lol

 

[shereads]

If us Americans only realised what the rest of the world REALLY think of us, a few may stop to ask why? And believe me it is nothing to do with the myth about them being jealous of us. And to start ANOTHER can of worms - if America paid her monetary debts she owes around the world, then she would be seeking aid from Mexico etc.

We are amazingly self-centric, as a country, blithely assuming that we are as benevolent as we imagine ourselves to be and that everyone appreciates it. More than one person in this forum, feeling stung by some perceived insult to the USA, has stated confidently that we give more money to foreign relief efforts than any other nation.

In fact, Japan gives significantly more money per capita to other countries than we do. Not that I don't think we do a lot; I just can't help wondering where people get the idea that our goodness tops everyone else's, to the extent that they don't check the facts before spouting off like that.

The neocon agenda that took us into Iraq seems to derive from that world view: America is the ultimate good, and if we have to inflict some pain here and there to make everybody else more like us, it's okay because someday they'll appreciate it.

I saw Farenheit 9/11 with a friend whose only objection to the movie was a scene of some Iraqi kids playing soccer before the invasion. "Oh, like we're supposed to think Iraq was perfect before we invaded?"

No, we're supposed to see that it wasn't entirely evil before we invaded it, and that there were children playing in the streets just as there are in our own neighborhoods.

The fact that it comes as a surpirse that there are moments of normalcy in places our leaders have branded as Enemy tells me just how easily we're duped by leaders who encourage us to remain ignorant of the world.

And that's why people hate us. We assume that they are less than we are, as if American-ness is a human value.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

We are amazingly self-centric, as a country, blithely assuming that we are as benevolent as we imagine ourselves to be and that everyone appreciates it. More than one person in this forum, feeling stung by some perceived insult to the USA, has stated confidently that we give more money to foreign relief efforts than any other nation.

In fact, Japan gives significantly more money per capita to other countries than we do. Not that I don't think we do a lot; I just can't help wondering where people get the idea that our goodness tops everyone else's, to the extent that they don't check the facts before spouting off like that.

The neocon agenda that took us into Iraq seems to derive from that world view: America is the ultimate good, and if we have to inflict some pain here and there to make everybody else more like us, it's okay because someday they'll appreciate it.

I saw Farenheit 9/11 with a friend whose only objection to the movie was a scene of some Iraqi kids playing soccer before the invasion. "Oh, like we're supposed to think Iraq was perfect before we invaded?"

No, we're supposed to see that it wasn't entirely evil before we invaded it, and that there were children playing in the streets just as there are in our own neighborhoods.

The fact that it comes as a surpirse that there are moments of normalcy in places our leaders have branded as Enemy tells me just how easily we're duped by leaders who encourage us to remain ignorant of the world.

And that's why people hate us. We assume that they are less than we are, as if American-ness is a human value.

Curious...should we ignore the obvious, which is that a huge portion of the Muslim faithful want to convert the rest of the world to their backwards way of living, even if it means a holy war to accomplish it?

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

Curious...should we ignore the obvious, which is that a huge portion of the Muslim faithful want to convert the rest of the world to their backwards way of living, even if it means a holy war to accomplish it?

I am not Muslim, but Wicca. I set this post up as a way for those from outside the US to say how our politics affects them. Now you've turned this into a religious discussion.

The Muslim radicals are fighting a jihad as they say. That is the radicals, not the mainstream. To them, and them only is this a holy war that goes back to the crusades.

The Muslims are not after the world. I apologize for my next remarks, but history has shown them as true. The Christians state they are the only way to God.

In their pursuit, they have burned witches at the stake, caused multiple wars against Muslims and others. They have adapted the ways of pagans into their beliefs to make the local population accept their beliefs. The Goddess Brigid is now a Saint for the Catholic church. So are many other Gods and Goddess's.

The backward way of life belongs to your beliefs Shall. The Muslims had cities long before that integrated Christianity, Paganism and Muslim peacefully. They all lived peacefully. Then the King started his Crusades. This went on for hundreds of years and we all know of the tales that evolved from this period.

You have no right to accuse the Muslims of trying to convert the rest of the world to their beliefs. Not when You, as a Christian, believe your purpose is to convert everyone, no matter what the cost, to your beliefs. Not when the facts of Christianity are that there is only one way to the God. That is the facts of your religion. Take it or leave it. People are learning about the racist, bigots and religious zealots such as yourself. In that the radical Muslims have helped. But do not blame the zealot Muslims on their religion. Only those who do not wish for peace and want world conquest will do that. That sounds like your beliefs to me.

 

[minsue]

And that's why people hate us. We assume that they are less than we are, as if American-ness is a human value.

EXACTLY!!!!!

That's the exact point I've tried to make a million times in arguments with various members of my family. Too bad I could never say it that well, maybe then they'd have understood just what the hell I was trying to say.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Cover me

In their pursuit, they have burned witches at the stake, caused multiple wars against Muslims and others. They have adapted the ways of pagans into their beliefs to make the local population accept their beliefs. The Goddess Brigid is now a Saint for the Catholic church. So are many other Gods and Goddess's.

Lay down cover fire while I set the link.

Christian destruction of Hellenism

All is set. I need evac stat. *whop whop whop*

You may now return to your regularly scheaduled political war.

 

[Teenage Venus]

Well Teenage Venus, since I lost this thread to the bigotry of Shall should we open up a thread to elect you as President? You got my vote if you don't like asses. lol

Whilst not putting myself forward - I'm too thick - It may not go amiss to have a few younger persons with less bigotry, and monetory views in power.

Curious...should we ignore the obvious, which is that a huge portion of the Muslim faithful want to convert the rest of the world to their backwards way of living, even if it means a holy war to accomplish it?

To me, the OBVIOUS we ignore is looking at our own faults FIRST, before condemning others.

I see "a huge portion of the Muslim faithful" and similar coments by peoples to merely show their lack of knowledge of the facts.

The rest of the world - in general - despise Americans. They do this because they hold the same uninformed opinions that some have expressed on here.

In FACT, the average American Jane and Joe are nice enough guys, just wanting to get on and live their lives, and enjoy what happiness they can.

This applies EQUALLY to the VAST majority of mankind of all races, colors, creeds, sexual persuasions.

There are a FEW religious zealots, bigots, 'money above all' worshipers, or power-hungry persons, or those with illogical and unreasonable chips blurring their visions, existing in all communities. Unfortunately, many of these hold positions of authority.

We need to leave the chattels of history behind us, and learn to progress.

In my opinion, having a chip because you are Black, and recall slavery of Blacks - so bear a grudge is illogical. (The first slave traders were AFRICANS who pillaged and raped and took Whites into slavery.)

For Arabs to bear grudges against the Jews is illogical. (They tried to eradicate the Jews, and got whipped.)

For different religious factions to bear grudges is illogical. (All have been guilty in the past.)

For Red Indians to bear a grudge is illogical. (They are merely descendents of Eskimos, who took it from Early Asian explorers.)

Aborigines took Australia from other branches of HS.

If you carry each argument back sufficiently, we - as Homo Sapiens - wiped out other branches of our species for our own gain. (Currently, we wipe out other creature species daily for the same reason.)

At some point we need to sweep bad memories under the carpet, unload our chips, start acting as intelligent humans; Lose our ignorant insular views, and start acting like the intelligent, reasoning, kindhearted, and generous persons we kid ourselves we are.

Live and let live. Help our neighbors, rather than look down on, condemn, and try to control their lives.

Charity begins at home - so does self-awareness.

(Just as an aside: i think I missed my vocation, and should become a preacher, not a doctor )

 

[shereads]

EXACTLY!!!!!

That's the exact point I've tried to make a million times in arguments with various members of my family. Too bad I could never say it that well, maybe then they'd have understood just what the hell I was trying to say.

Do you have foreigners in your family? Recent immigrants? There's no gentle way to say this, Min, but they might be incapable of understanding. Be patient with them, and try to respect their colorful folk customs. While they're distracted, call the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

 

[shereads]

Re: Cover me

Lay down cover fire while I set the link.

Christian destruction of Hellenism

All is set. I need evac stat. *whop whop whop*

You may now return to your regularly scheaduled political war.

Ouch. That's quite a timeline. Makes me feel extra proud to know that Christians were the first to burn books. On the other hand, I can't get over the fact that there was a priest named Hilarius.

"Look! The library is burning! Priceless scrolls archived over hundreds of years, recording the emergence of philosophy, mathematics, the sciences and history. What warped mind could conceive of such a thing?"

"That's Hilarius."

 

[shereads]

Curious...should we ignore the obvious, which is that a huge portion of the Muslim faithful want to convert the rest of the world to their backwards way of living, even if it means a holy war to accomplish it?

Of course not, silly. We should take Ann Coulter's advice and kill them all or convert them to Christianity.

Edited to add: Now I'm curious about something. You asked this in response to a post about the Iraq invasion...You are aware that Iraq under Saddam was considered an enemy of Islam, right?

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Re: Re: Cover me

Ouch. That's quite a timeline. Makes me feel extra proud to know that Christians were the first to burn books. On the other hand, I can't get over the fact that there was a priest named Hilarius.

"Look! The library is burning! Priceless scrolls recording over hundreds of years, recording the emergence of philosophy, mathematics, the sciences and history. What warped mind could conceive of such a thing?"

"That's Hilarius."

Can't...stop...laughing.
Call...medic.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

I am not Muslim, but Wicca. I set this post up as a way for those from outside the US to say how our politics affects them. Now you've turned this into a religious discussion.

The Muslim radicals are fighting a jihad as they say. That is the radicals, not the mainstream. To them, and them only is this a holy war that goes back to the crusades.

The Muslims are not after the world. I apologize for my next remarks, but history has shown them as true. The Christians state they are the only way to God.

In their pursuit, they have burned witches at the stake, caused multiple wars against Muslims and others. They have adapted the ways of pagans into their beliefs to make the local population accept their beliefs. The Goddess Brigid is now a Saint for the Catholic church. So are many other Gods and Goddess's.

The backward way of life belongs to your beliefs Shall. The Muslims had cities long before that integrated Christianity, Paganism and Muslim peacefully. They all lived peacefully. Then the King started his Crusades. This went on for hundreds of years and we all know of the tales that evolved from this period.

You have no right to accuse the Muslims of trying to convert the rest of the world to their beliefs. Not when You, as a Christian, believe your purpose is to convert everyone, no matter what the cost, to your beliefs. Not when the facts of Christianity are that there is only one way to the God. That is the facts of your religion. Take it or leave it. People are learning about the racist, bigots and religious zealots such as yourself. In that the radical Muslims have helped. But do not blame the zealot Muslims on their religion. Only those who do not wish for peace and want world conquest will do that. That sounds like your beliefs to me.

First and foremost, you are just a tad bit off base in accusing me of being Christian. My wedding ceremony was a blend of the Episcopal religion an a Pagan/Wiccan blend so that both my wife's and I's personal beliefs about a higher power/calling were represented in the ceremony.

Secondly, I do have every right to make my ascertions, and they are not based on prejudiced remarks, but on careful research of basically apparent facts for those who care to look them up. I am leary of and do not trust Muslims not because of their faith, but because their teachings threaten to interfere with my freedoms as a human being.

You can for instance find several websites that lay out the ground work for Muslims to move into, and claim neighborhoods for their own here in American. Now, freedom of religion is great, but where does one draw the line...as example, there are currently seven different lawsuits pending where Muslims are seeking the right to play their call to prayers over loud speakers stategically placed throughout the neighborhoods.

They make the comparison to the church bells that churches ring on Sundays. Well, a church bell for starters is located in one place, and rung once a week. Muslims wish to install speakers in multiple places in a community, and play them four times a day. I pay taxes, bought a house in a quiet neighborhood, and do not want to have to listen to a call to prayer four times a day, nor do I feel I should be forced to.

Go read the news of the world, and tell me who seems to be making war these days. Sure, there are Muslim fringe that are responsible for the terrorists acts we read about on an almost daily basis...but what about wars on and against people. For the most part it is Muslim's waging these wars against humanity as it were. Look at the Sudan and what is going on there, and tell me the world should have no fear of the Muslim Fundamenlist aims and desires. Look at what had happened in Afghanistan before our troops toppled the government there, look at how the women had been oppressed, and who were their oppressors?

I am not one here for being politically correct, not one here for worrying that I might accidently offend a few folks for speaking truth. At some point you have to be willing to draw that proverbial line in the sand and say this is it, you cannot push us as a nation any further. For me, that line was crossed on September 11th, when the Twin Towers went down. Those 19 hijackers did not act alone, and were/are a part of something far bigger. I suppose you would want to ignore all the proof that has come out showing that supposed peaceful Mosques and Muslim charitys have been supporting the various terrorists groups that are waging this war? When I see the supposed peaceful Muslims truly making efforts towards cleaning up and out their own houses as it were, then I'll believe they are not a war hungry people out to convert the world to their way of life and beliefs. So far, I see anything but that...as example, look at how ANTI American the text books are in Middle-Eastern countries. In short, children are being taught from very young a hate of our nation, and thus our people. You'll not find that kind of propaganda and people hating being taught in our schools.

Call me a biggot, but even setting all that aside, I have a problem with a religion that wants to keep women covered, not working, unable to drive cars, unable to get a college degree. Sure that some will want to tell me that is a small subsect of the greater whole....problem is, do not see the greater whole working to effectively make this subsect change and dated and dangerous theology that in effect makes women slaves.
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[Shallkneel4u]

Of course not, silly. We should take Ann Coulter's advice and kill them all or convert them to Christianity.

Edited to add: Now I'm curious about something. You asked this in response to a post about the Iraq invasion...You are aware that Iraq under Saddam was considered an enemy of Islam, right?

Iran was and is a far greater danger to America than Saddam and Iraq ever thought of being. Further more, it is a cleric who for many months now has been waging war against our troops in Iraq, or have you missed that on CNN and Fox? Maybe you missed the reports of the cleric who was/is demanding final say every step of the way as a democracy tries to form in that nation.

 

[Shallkneel4u]

[BAt some point we need to sweep bad memories under the carpet, unload our chips, start acting as intelligent humans; Lose our ignorant insular views, and start acting like the intelligent, reasoning, kindhearted, and generous persons we kid ourselves we are.

Live and let live. Help our neighbors, rather than look down on, condemn, and try to control their lives.

Charity begins at home - so does self-awareness.

(Just as an aside: i think I missed my vocation, and should become a preacher, not a doctor ) [/B]

Live and let live, let others live their own lives and mind our own business. So then, no one should step in and do the right thing in the Sudan, we should have let apartheid be the call of the day in Africa since it was their will? We should have not gotten involved in World War !!, but simply let Hitler conquer the entire European continent, or perhaps we never should have fought the Revolutionary War that won our nations its freedom from Mother England?

Like it or not, the reality of life is that some group is always going to not like something about another group, and work to oppress their rights in some way...even in America we have our very own religious right trying to legislate away some of our freedoms. When those desires to impinge upon others reach a certain level, someone has to step in to protect those rights, and at that point you have a war, and like it or not, most wars are fought about idealogies and how people are going to live their lives.