Dragon Ball: Forgotten Generations (OOC)

[Sean Renaud]

Ahhhh, that must have been it.

I heard GT was anathema.

It's got a lot of problems but really it's cardinal sin is not being DBZ. And if I had to give it a second sin it's the fact that the ideas on it are so well thought out that it's hard to imagine how you botch it so badly. GT in a nut shell is this.

1. Piccolo made dragonballs way back when he was King Piccolo. These dragonballs are way stronger than the regular ones. . .but they disperse throughout the galaxy and if you don't collect them in one year the dragon destroys your planet. Which is why he hide them. Pilaf finds them and makes a wish.

2. Goku, Trunks and Pan travel the galaxy having stupid adventures and eventually find Baby, a robot designed by a Tuffle (the race that was on planet Vegeta before the Saiyans) and it's bent on revenge. Basically Gero V.2. He comes to earth infects Vegeta and we get an awesome fight including seeing a super saiyan ozaru. Bitchin.

3. In Hell Gero and Dr. Myu (The Tuffle) create a new Android (it's silly how they accomplish it) which fuses with 17 creating Super 17. Which is essentially a fusion between the power draining androids and the infinite power models. He rocks.

4. Apparently the Elder Kai doesn't like dragonballs for a reason. Wishing on them creates "negative" energy and normally they go decades or centuries without being used because gathering seven orbs spread across the planet it fucking hard. Until Bulma created a dragon radar and goku and friends could all fly and Mach 11. So Evil Dragons! The evil Dragons were a great concept but shitty shitty execution.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

That's GT's unfortunate legacy. With the idea that Toriyama had only minor creative input, the overall fanbase will never / won't ever take GT as being anything other than a side story (AU).

Great ideas, flawed execution.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

I do, however, love the intro theme.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

 

[Sean Renaud]

I love the concept, especially of Baby and the Shadow Dragons a lot. To the point that I think I might dislike GT more because they had the concepts down. It's like a fan fic where the smartest guy came up with the plot and then he handed it off to his idiot brother.

Nice art by the by.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

I loved the last panel. Sums it up perfectly.

 

[HotCider]

So...why are we talking about this? Because this is AU, she can do whatever she wants with her character. I wouldn't even talk about going to Super Saiyan God when they haven't even started firing ki balls yet. Everyone should take their concept a step at a time.

I do think though that Saiyans shouldn't be the only cliche powerful race. We have several other character races in this game, such as the Beastman. DBZ downplays the power of Earthlings, but not once do they mention Mutants or those who are supernaturally powerful to be on par with whatever alien comes to earth.

With AU DBZ, you can do whatever you want. In an AU DBZ game on another site I write on, I play a Beastman who is just as on par in power as any of the Saiyan characters and he has his own type of "Super Saiyan" transformation, which is a change in fur color. It's called going "Okami."

 

[Sean Renaud]

DBZ incorrectly plays down the power of humans actually. As of Super/RoF it's official. Roshi is an intergalactic Bad Ass. Even in Frieza's army he would have been a high ranking general. Below all the guys with names sure but most of Frieza's army use blasters because they can't fire ki naturally. But yes.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

So...why are we talking about this? Because this is AU, she can do whatever she wants with her character. I wouldn't even talk about going to Super Saiyan God when they haven't even started firing ki balls yet. Everyone should take their concept a step at a time.

I do think though that Saiyans shouldn't be the only cliche powerful race. We have several other character races in this game, such as the Beastman. DBZ downplays the power of Earthlings, but not once do they mention Mutants or those who are supernaturally powerful to be on par with whatever alien comes to earth.

With AU DBZ, you can do whatever you want. In an AU DBZ game on another site I write on, I play a Beastman who is just as on par in power as any of the Saiyan characters and he has his own type of "Super Saiyan" transformation, which is a change in fur color. It's called going "Okami."

We're talking about it because talking about it helps refine ideas, though the fruits of that might not be apparent until many, many posts down the line. It also helps us get out other ideas and collaborate on them. For instance, had we not been talking about all of this, would you have mentioned the Okami transformation? I rather like the idea of a Beastman with his/her own unique transformation.

 

[ChasNicollette]

I wanted to reassure Kim that her character shouldn't be considered a Mary Sue-- even though I don't find the Mary Sue concept inherently flawed, just by and large poorly executed.

But an intriguing result of this conversation is my pondering the idea that Flute may eventually discover that she is more powerful because of the human DNA hybridized with her Namekian biology, not less.

 

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[ChasNicollette]

 

[HotCider]

My understanding of a Mary Sue, was not the main character who is the center of attention because then all characters might as well be called that because to us writers, our characters are main characters and the center of attention. A Mary Sue was more like this:

 

[HotCider]

This one explains it even better.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Mary Sue is an overused term but nobody has (to my knowledge) come up with one that approximates it's meaning. I think the term applies to the majority of protagonists to be honest to varying degrees.

While I think Luke Skywalker should qualify, he's an ace pilot despite never having left a goddamn dirt farm and flying speeders, it's unclear how long passes between A New Hope and Empire but with zero formal training he's able to briefly push back Vader. Yadda yadda.

Rei is an ace pilot who knows the Millennium Falcon (a custom ship mind you), speaks droid, most likely gets the boy, Han, Chewy, Leia and Luke all instantly take a liking to her and without a heavy dose of plot armor she would have killed Kylo, who based on what little we've seen might be beyond Darth in terms of raw power. Fucker stops a blaster bolt mid air and then FORGETS about it while he holds an entire conversation.

Note: I don't dislike the new movie. I don't even dislike Rei as a character.

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

Sorry, what about Finn.

Only training he has is Basic Stormtrooper, Yet suddenly he is hitting everything he aims at. Is using a Lightsaber with some dexterity, with just little hints from Poe was able to suddenly handle a tie fighters weapons with ease and then the Millennium falcons.

Again nothing wrong with the character

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sorry, what about Finn.

Only training he has is Basic Stormtrooper, Yet suddenly he is hitting everything he aims at. Is using a Lightsaber with some dexterity, with just little hints from Poe was able to suddenly handle a tie fighters weapons with ease and then the Millennium falcons.

Again nothing wrong with the character

Finn is pretty bad as well. Though the story kicks off because he has a fairly fatal flaw. Fucker can't fly and he's a Storm Trooper! Despite plot convienent bad aiming I assume that Basic Storm Trooper training is roughly on par with Navy SEALS today. I mean according to Finn he was taken so young that he doesn't even know what his real name is. So assuming he's quite a bit younger than he looks (to me) and he's 16, he's got a decade of training assuming they started when he could walk. Really the gaps in his training are more glaring than his ability imo.

I try to ignore him using a lightsaber at all because. . .isn't that specifically impossible?! Gah!

Also his flaw is very plot convenient. It's not like a genuine Mary Sue has never been incapable of doing something "basic" in order to further the plot. They'll just pick it up later.

And yeah nothing wrong with it.

The ones that tend to stick with me are the incredibly poor decisions that work out because the plot armor is too thick. Like say ANY movie where the cabinet is telling the President "Such and such is too damn dangerous, you have to go to such and such place to be protected." And the president say gets into a jet and successfully fights aliens.

Mary Sues are not by definition bad characters. They can be very entertaining if well done. Just don't tell me about how Goku's fatal flaw gets him punished cus it really doesn't. Vegeta's ego gets his ass kicked and the plot makes it clear that this was his fault specifically when he does something dumb. When Goku fucks up it's brought up in hindsight as a joke.

Anyhow I'm enjoying this even if it's stalling a bit.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

So weak... he even dies while trying to catch Pokémon.

 

[TearsoftheWorld]

Anyways, my next post will probably set the story at some point in the relatively "near" future. I believe we're still going to run off the idea that the official tournament was scrapped, and we'll get the ball rolling for the underground tournament.

That okay with everyone?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Poor Yamcha

 

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[ChasNicollette]

Anyways, my next post will probably set the story at some point in the relatively "near" future. I believe we're still going to run off the idea that the official tournament was scrapped, and we'll get the ball rolling for the underground tournament.

That okay with everyone?

Works for me!

 

[Aussie_Wolf]

Fine with me too

And how many people are playing Pokemon go...Just as a question?

 

[ChasNicollette]

One less with Yamcha dead.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not I. I'm cheap so my phone doesn't have data, it has wifi. So if a pokemon is more than a bout 30 feet from my router it's not a pokemon. It's a tease.