Electric cars.

[MajorRewrite]

Those damn commies in Texas generate 28.6% of their energy with wind power.

The wind is a Marxist plot!!1!!!!! ! !!,!

 

[HisArpy]

Is that your honor’s version of “I know you are but what am I?”


I’m not mad. You’re the sad clown comic relief.

It's not me who is spewing crap all over this thread because his panties are wadded up someplace uncomfortable. Perhaps if you attired yourself in appropriate undergarments they wouldn't chafe you into such an abysmal mental state all the time.

 

[AlexBailey]

It's not me who is spewing crap all over this thread because his panties are wadded up someplace uncomfortable. Perhaps if you attired yourself in appropriate undergarments they wouldn't chafe you into such an abysmal mental state all the time.

Hey dumb fuck.

Answer straight: can you get electrocuted by touching 56 Vdc with a bare hand? (You choose the amp potential)

Your credibility is on the line.

 

[AlexBailey]

https://apnews.com/article/china-byd-auto-seagull-auto-ev-cae20c92432b74e95c234d93ec1df400

From the article:

The car, launched last year by Chinese automaker BYD, sells for around $12,000 in China, but drives well and is put together with craftsmanship that rivals U.S.-made electric vehicles that cost three times as much. A shorter-range version costs under $10,000.

Tariffs on imported Chinese vehicles probably will keep the Seagull away from America’s shores for now, and it likely would sell for more than 12 grand if imported.

“Any car company that’s not paying attention to them as a competitor is going to be lost when they hit their market,” said Sam Fiorani, a vice president at AutoForecast Solutions near Philadelphia. “BYD’s entry into the U.S. market isn’t an if. It’s a when.”

 

[AlexBailey]

^With slave labor. But we don't need to worry about imported EVs. The same energy crunch that wipes out the EV market will also reduce global shipping.

How does an unregulated free market promote the general welfare?


When “states rights” are extended to countries with different rules, unregulated capitalism has a variety of consequences.

Without tariffs to protect workers in affluent countries, workers are in direct global competition, i.e. “slave wages” vs. free market wages. Wealthy countries have great incentives to decrease labor costs. Simple economics means robots are replacing expensive workers.

Fewer jobs in affluent countries means less disposable income to support a consumer economy.

I’m not offering a solution, just pointing out some macro economic issues. I’m interested in anyone’s thoughts.

 

[HisArpy]

Hey dumb fuck.

Answer straight: can you get electrocuted by touching 56 Vdc with a bare hand? (You choose the amp potential)

Your credibility is on the line.

No it isn't because I'm not the "expert" who is advocating that people touch live power leads. It's almost like you don't care what you're saying and have decided to just say whatever dumb shit pops into your lil' crossdressing noggin' in order to try and prove you're a man.

You really need to shut the fuck up on this before you hurt yourself again.

 

[HisArpy]

https://apnews.com/article/china-byd-auto-seagull-auto-ev-cae20c92432b74e95c234d93ec1df400

From the article:

The car, launched last year by Chinese automaker BYD, sells for around $12,000 in China, but drives well and is put together with craftsmanship that rivals U.S.-made electric vehicles that cost three times as much. A shorter-range version costs under $10,000.

And they're sitting in European ports unsold because they spontaneously combust.

 

[AlexBailey]

And they're sitting in European ports unsold because they spontaneously combust.

Once again you prove you can’t absorb new information.

Give me one example of an LFP (Lithium Ferrous Phosphate) battery combusting?

This is the new lithium battery chemistry that even Tesla is moving to.

You’re stuck on old news of Lithium Cobalt technology.

Get you head out of your ass and learn something, your honor.

 

[AlexBailey]

No it isn't because I'm not the "expert" who is advocating that people touch live power leads. It's almost like you don't care what you're saying and have decided to just say whatever dumb shit pops into your lil' crossdressing noggin' in order to try and prove you're a man.

You really need to shut the fuck up on this before you hurt yourself again.

I proved my point that 56vdc is safe to the touch.

You proved my point - again, that you’re an obdurate jackass.

 

[HisArpy]

Once again you prove you can’t absorb new information.

Give me one example of an LFP (Lithium Ferrous Phosphate) battery combusting?

This is the new lithium battery chemistry that even Tesla is moving to.

You’re stuck on old news of Lithium Cobalt technology.

Get you head out of your ass and learn something, your honor.

So sez our resident "expert" on all thing electricity. Except...

https://www.newsflare.com/video/634...ously-combusts-and-burns-out-on-road-in-china

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/12y88k7/byd_blade_ev_batteries_catching_fire

Somehow I don't think it's me who isn't up on battery development. Either that or your conflict of interest is showing.

 

[HisArpy]

I proved my point that 56vdc is safe to the touch.

You proved my point - again, that you’re an obdurate jackass.

Lol, if you say so little green checkmark man. I'll still keep my digits out of the power circuitry. Just in case you're wrong and everyone else in the industry who issues warnings against doing what you advocate is right.

 

[ishtat]

Toyota. From 2009 to May 2023 Mr Toyoda the grandson of the founder was the CEO. Basically he was a failure with next to no new ideas and championing Hydrogen power ahead of EV's which he claimed had no future. Sato his replacement as CEO said very little but last week turned Toyota upside down. Toyota had been using the same out dated battery technology for their plug in hybrids since 2006.

Sato has announced that all that will be scrapped and that Toyota has signed a deal with BYD that in future, BYD Platform design, BYD Blade batteries, and BYD electric motors will be used, initially in three models. In the same press releases It was stated that the vehicles would be badged as Toyotas and that Toyota would provide additional 'polish'- whatever that means. Assembly location is unclear at this stage.

Toyota had lost more than 80% of its share of the Chinese and SE Asian market.Given that both Japanese and Chinese like smaller cars this seems like a good fit for both but the Japanese will have had to swallow a lot of pride.

An arrangement similar to this might work in the US market but not until after November. What do you think?

 

[Luv2bnaked4u]

We were considering an EV but the costs mount up
Besides the cost of the car you have to have an electrician install a charger in the garage. The car insurance is higher
Less mileage with the AC or heat running

We had a spur of the moment funeral to attend and decided to drive, there is NO way we could have made it in a EV and made it on time.
If you can afford to spend an hour or so recharging then fine. We just don’t travel that way.

 

[AlexBailey]

So sez our resident "expert" on all thing electricity. Except...

https://www.newsflare.com/video/634...ously-combusts-and-burns-out-on-road-in-china

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/12y88k7/byd_blade_ev_batteries_catching_fire

Somehow I don't think it's me who isn't up on battery development. Either that or your conflict of interest is showing.

Seriously, Harpy, thanks for that.

I’ll have to do some research on this. LFP chemistry is intrinsically safer than other lithium technology.

It sounds like a problem possibly unique to BYD. I’ll have to dig into it.

 

[AlexBailey]

No it isn't because I'm not the "expert" who is advocating that people touch live power leads. It's almost like you don't care what you're saying and have decided to just say whatever dumb shit pops into your lil' crossdressing noggin' in order to try and prove you're a man.

You really need to shut the fuck up on this before you hurt yourself again.

Nope. I’m holding firm on 56vdc being safe to the touch.

Apparently your stupidity is immovable.

 

[AlexBailey]

Statistical safety analysis comparing EVs to ICE vehicles is still rare but there is some saying EVs are much safer.

This is from Edmunds:

https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html

From the article:

Similarly, Australia's EV FireSafe, a group funded by the country's department of defense, studied global EV battery fires from 2010 to 2020. The report found that the risk of an electric car battery catching fire was a thousandth of a percent (0.0012%). FireSafe noted that it was difficult to find similar data for internal combustion engine vehicles globally, but based on the reports the group looked at, it estimated fire risk at a tenth of a percent (0.1%).

 

[AlexBailey]

We were considering an EV but the costs mount up
Besides the cost of the car you have to have an electrician install a charger in the garage. The car insurance is higher
Less mileage with the AC or heat running

We had a spur of the moment funeral to attend and decided to drive, there is NO way we could have made it in a EV and made it on time.
If you can afford to spend an hour or so recharging then fine. We just don’t travel that way.

EV ranges are increasing and will likely be > 500 miles in the next few years. At 65mph that’s more than 7 hrs of driving time.

Of course many households hove more than one type of vehicle.

I have a family van, a work truck and a fun truck. We’re recent empty nesters and expect to be getting either a hybrid or an EV soon.

I know many people who have EVs for daily commute vehicles and ICEs for other uses.

I have a couple of elderly client couples who just invested in solar and EVs. They drive > 100 miles/week and are no longer subject to increases in their utility or vehicle fuel costs.

 

[wizzard426]

https://moonbattery.com/7-5-billion-for-seven-ev-chargers/

 

[HisArpy]

Nope. I’m holding firm on 56vdc being safe to the touch.

Apparently your stupidity is immovable.

The ONLY stupid person here is you when you advocate that people touch live voltage power sources.

Not everyone has your knowledge. Not everyone understands what you're saying. It only takes ONE PERSON believing it's safe because you said so and then do it wrong. At that point they're dead and it will be YOUR FAULT because you're too fucking wrapped up in your own attempts to prove yourself "superior" on the internet to care.

Which makes you stupid. And careless. And a danger to yourself and others.

 

[HisArpy]

Seriously, Harpy, thanks for that.

I’ll have to do some research on this. LFP chemistry is intrinsically safer than other lithium technology.

It sounds like a problem possibly unique to BYD. I’ll have to dig into it.

And yet you claim to be "in the know"...

 

[AlexBailey]

The ONLY stupid person here is you when you advocate that people touch live voltage power sources.

Not everyone has your knowledge. Not everyone understands what you're saying. It only takes ONE PERSON believing it's safe because you said so and then do it wrong. At that point they're dead and it will be YOUR FAULT because you're too fucking wrapped up in your own attempts to prove yourself "superior" on the internet to care.

Which makes you stupid. And careless. And a danger to yourself and others.

Any person can touch 56 vdc with a bare hand and not get electrocuted.

 

[AlexBailey]

And yet you claim to be "in the know"...

I am “in the know.” Part of that is being able to consider and adapt to new information.

LFP chemistry is still the safest Lithium Ion technology, many studies have proven this, including those sponsored by insurance companies and manufacturers. The news stories of BYD having problems does not change this.

What has come into question is the way BYD systems operate. They may be ‘pushing’ the tech too hard, stretching the limits of charge and discharge rates, allowing higher operating temperatures than what has been accepted standards.

I’ve only worked with a few BYD systems. I don’t like them because they unnecessarily operate at higher nominal voltages than other systems I prefer to work with. (I.E. 112 vdc rather than 56 vdc.)

I have limited personal experience with automotive systems but the increased safety of the LFP chemistry over other Li-ion systems is still true.


Also true is that handling Li technology is still much less prone to mishaps than gasoline.

Are you aware of how the automotive industry had to learn and adapt safety standards for safe gasoline storage and handling? Remember the stories of Ford Pintos bursting into flames when rear ended even at low speeds? Pesky government regulations helped fix that.

Do you know how filling a gas can for tool usage while the receptacle is on a vehicle can cause a static spark which can ignite vapors? This is a danger that many landscapers and off-road vehicle operators ignore and cause injuries and fires on a regular enough basis that every filling station (in CA at least) is required to post warnings about it.



Yeah? LFP batteries for tools are far safer. Did you know that the tool brand Briggs and Stratton just bought the Simpliphi LFP battery company? Landscaping and other power tools are being made safer as the industry matures.

Are you intelligent and mature enough to absorb and process new information?

 

[ishtat]

So sez our resident "expert" on all thing electricity. Except...

https://www.newsflare.com/video/634...ously-combusts-and-burns-out-on-road-in-china

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/12y88k7/byd_blade_ev_batteries_catching_fire

Somehow I don't think it's me who isn't up on battery development. Either that or your conflict of interest is showing.

Arpy I did some research on this and Alex Bailey is in fact correct. The car which was burning in the video was an older hybrid vehicle employing the Lithium Cobalt chemistry not the more modern Lithium Iron Phosphate LFP chemistry. Factory Mutuals the research organization on fires in the USA has already reported on the dangers associated with the older chemistry. These fires were all in Hybrids rather than pure EV's. The initiation of the fires which occurred in Hybrids like this was caused by a fault in the control system which changed the power output from Electric to ICE or vice versa. They were scary because the fires always followed the same course; first a lot of smoke, secondly a very very hot fire which cannot be put out with water because it creates its own oxygen as it burns. You can see in this video that the water did nothing except cool the debris. It was only after a number of years that the Norwegians worked it out that if strong brine was used instead of water, that would interfere with the fire chemistry sufficiently for the fire to extinguish.

The more hazardous chemistry is unfortunately still utilized in some electric skate boards and bicycles which are barely regulated at all compared with cars. The worlds two biggest EV producers Tesla and BYD both use the safer modern chemistry and both have vehicles currently capable of 1000 Km range.

 

[wizzard426]

1000 kilometers, or, about 50 miles

 

[Wat_Tyler]

1000 kilometers, or, about 50 miles

Rounded up, of course . . . .