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Electric cars.

Only a dumbass would think we’ve already reached the pinnacle of battery life, storage and safety.

The US military is setting high safety goals that the industry is already reaching. Consumer safety will continue to improve.


Powerful Battery Cell Nails Military Safety Test​


https://www.nationaldefensemagazine...rful-battery-cell-nails--military-safety-test

From the article:

The safety tests demonstrated that the electrolyte cell would not react violently — or at all — if punctured, Stefan said. Furthermore, the battery still worked properly even after being hit, he added.

“Assume that, for example, a soldier’s battery is shot at or penetrated by shrapnel.
 
ishtat said:
Arpy I did some research on this and Alex Bailey is in fact correct. The car which was burning in the video was an older hybrid vehicle employing the Lithium Cobalt chemistry not the more modern Lithium Iron Phosphate LFP chemistry. Factory Mutuals the research organization on fires in the USA has already reported on the dangers associated with the older chemistry. These fires were all in Hybrids rather than pure EV's. The initiation of the fires which occurred in Hybrids like this was caused by a fault in the control system which changed the power output from Electric to ICE or vice versa. They were scary because the fires always followed the same course; first a lot of smoke, secondly a very very hot fire which cannot be put out with water because it creates its own oxygen as it burns. You can see in this video that the water did nothing except cool the debris. It was only after a number of years that the Norwegians worked it out that if strong brine was used instead of water, that would interfere with the fire chemistry sufficiently for the fire to extinguish.

The more hazardous chemistry is unfortunately still utilized in some electric skate boards and bicycles which are barely regulated at all compared with cars. The worlds two biggest EV producers Tesla and BYD both use the safer modern chemistry and both have vehicles currently capable of 1000 Km range.
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Bizarrely, the cars are still piling up in European ports even with the "new" battery tech.

And they're still burning while sitting in the lots.

I have zero stake in the outcome. All I'm saying is that battery tech isn't stable and the proof is in the pudding. There's so much proof that Hertz just dumped it's EV fleet.
 
HisArpy said:
Lol, if you say so little green checkmark man. I'll still keep my digits out of the power circuitry. Just in case you're wrong and everyone else in the industry who issues warnings against doing what you advocate is right.
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You're the exact person who is responsible for people like me having to author the 10 page electrical warning instruction manuals.

You should really stop posting, you know fuck all about electromagnetism. No one here should be surprised, since you also know fuck all about Chemistry. Understand Electromagnetism is one of the four forces of the Universe, and as such is beyond the reach of comprehension with your limited mental capacity.
Your complete lack of understanding of the basics of how electricity works is unfathomable. You still profess that volts trump amps, and yet you seem to have no clue on how resistance acts with the other two. E=I x R is as important a formula as E = MC2. Think about that for a second...not like it will matter, your peanut for a brain won't make the connection...

PS, lets add in Capacitance and see how you do, or maybe Reactive power or Inductance...
 
Luv2bnaked4u said:
We were considering an EV but the costs mount up
Besides the cost of the car you have to have an electrician install a charger in the garage. The car insurance is higher
Less mileage with the AC or heat running

We had a spur of the moment funeral to attend and decided to drive, there is NO way we could have made it in a EV and made it on time.
If you can afford to spend an hour or so recharging then fine. We just don’t travel that way.
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Did you consider a Hybrid?
 
HisArpy said:
Which is why it has an electrical shock warning.

It's like you're stupid and enjoy being that way.
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Show me where there is a shock warning about the Battery....I can show you an explosion warning about the Battery, and a shock warning about the Battery charger....
 
Chernosoth said:
That really doesn't matter. There's not enough lithium or lithium mining in the world to electrify all the cars. Until there is a non-lithium battery, the EV is still a luxury niche product.
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The supply chain is getting stronger in the developing market. You’re hanging on to old news.

https://theicct.org/pr-us-lithium-s...d-from-us-light-duty-bevs-through-2032-feb24/


…new lithium supply may far exceed lithium demand from new U.S. light-duty BEVs through 2032.




In addition to new supply, recycling technologies are being developed. If the lead acid market can be an example, regulations will soon require all Li manufacturers to also have facilities that can recycle their products. ✅
 
HisArpy said:
Which is why it has an electrical shock warning.

It's like you're stupid and enjoy being that way.
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Yeah, the world is held hostage to asshole bottom feeder attorneys like you - obdurate pricks who will hold any position that can scratch up a dime while costing society billions while providing no tangible benefits.

You are a parasite.
 
HisArpy said:
Bizarrely, the cars are still piling up in European ports even with the "new" battery tech.

And they're still burning while sitting in the lots.

I have zero stake in the outcome. All I'm saying is that battery tech isn't stable and the proof is in the pudding. There's so much proof that Hertz just dumped it's EV fleet.
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You’re an idiot.

You have no idea why Hertz made that decision. Sure it was economics, but what were the actual considerations? What are the biases of your information sources?

Chargers? It’s faster turn around for a rental to fuel up with gas than to recharge. How much have they invested so far in infrastructure? Do you think they’re done with that? Mechanics in short supply? Do you think none are being trained?

Relax and retire and let the smart people figure things out. Oops, still paying off the mortgage you had to take up to buy your wife out of the Marin house? Or did she get the house and you had to buy another? 😢
 
AlexBailey said:
You’re an idiot.

You have no idea why Hertz made that decision. Sure it was economics, but what were the actual considerations? What are the biases of your information sources?

Chargers? It’s faster turn around for a rental to fuel up with gas than to recharge. How much have they invested so far in infrastructure? Do you think they’re done with that? Mechanics in short supply? Do you think none are being trained?

Relax and retire and let the smart people figure things out. Oops, still paying off the mortgage you had to take up to buy your wife out of the Marin house? 😢
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dudly, Hertz issued a press release giving their reasons for the decision. If you weren't so fixated on trying to prove you're something you're not you'd be better informed.
 
AlexBailey said:
Yeah, the world is held hostage to asshole bottom feeder attorneys like you - obdurate pricks who will hold any position that can scratch up a dime while costing society billions while providing no tangible benefits.

You are a parasite.
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Sure. OSHA and everyone else in the electrical industry are just obdurate pricks in it for the money.

Unlike solar electrical contractors who advocate that people lay their unprotected dick skinners on live electrical contacts...
 
wizzard426 said:

My "hot fence" runs 15 amps at 12 volts
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Another person who fails to understand electricity. Animal fences use high voltage pulsed shocks (dc volts) triggered via a timing circuit and capacitors. The High voltage is required for the highly resistive hide of cattle etc. Your fence doesn't run at "15 amps". It runs at zero amps until something completes the circuit between the positive side and negative ( negative ground or wire depending upon the type of system). It then delivers a high voltage low current shock.

But hey you two uneducated idiots keep it up. I'm currently c&p ing your posts to use in a class I'll be hosting. To illustrate some common misunderstanding of how electricity works...
 
HisArpy said:
Lol, someone just figured out how badly the fucked themselves yet again.

So sad, not sorry.
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huh? I'm not the one showing off ignorance of electricity...but please continue your posting...*chuckles*

so what does E=IxR mean? whats the relationship, mr carbon water boy?
 
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