Elizabeth Warren

[LincolnDuncan]

Stop with that bullshit. Every AG is appointed by the President. Remember when Eric Holder proudly proclaimed he was Obama's "wingman?" I wasn't here to see if you crapped your pants over that or not, but did you? i didn't think so.

I am contemptuous of most politicians.

I should be telling you to stop with the bullshit. Even scumbag Sessions had enough sense to recuse himself. Trump tortured him for doing to right thing and advertised for an AG who would act as his lap dog. Barr has a good line of bullshit but it's obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that he is acting only in the best interest of Trump rather than for those of us who pay is salary.

 

[Rightguide]

thanks. i have read it.

the political redress enshrined in the constitution
is proscribed precisely to have a check
on those issues that go to contemporary issues
that threaten the office...

outside of the strictly "legal" ones - of which barr, a partisan appointee, has current jurisdiction.

the impending nixon impeachment
(3 of 5 articles were debated and passed by the house prior to his resignation)
hinged upon obstruction of justice, abuse of power and contempt of congress...

hmmmmm?

so....
despite any such absolute declarations
and...
listening to the vigorous debate in many quarters...

there is still fire beneath all the choreographed smoke.

My point is they didn't arrive at those articles with a DOJ Special Counsel operating under the current law. The House conducted it's own investigation. Mueller had only one job., to find cooperation between the Trump Campaign and the Russians, as soon as it was ascertained that no such cooperation occurred the investigation should have ended right there. It didn't because Mueller, who employed nothing but Democrat supporters of Hillary Clinton to his legal team, wanted a political win on alleged Obstruction, which could not exist without an underlying crime, hence the political wishful thinking and hemming and hawing in Volume II.

 

[bbx56]

outside of the strictly "legal" ones - of which barr, a partisan appointee, has current jurisdiction.

.

which appointee

of any President

ISNT and SHOULDNT be partisan?


why do you post such stupid shit?

 

[cleaver]

My point is they didn't arrive at those articles with a DOJ Special Counsel operating under the current law. The House conducted it's own investigation. Mueller had only one job., to find cooperation between the Trump Campaign and the Russians, as soon as that was ascertained no such cooperation occurred the investigation should have ended right there. It didn't because Mueller, who employed nothing but Democrat supporters of Hillary Clinton to his legal team, wanted a political win on alleged Obstruction, which could not exist without an underlying crime, hence the political wishful thinking and hemming and hawing in Volume II.

i disagree.

you forget the original creation of this special counsel
which included exploration of...
"any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"

mueller concluded his investigation where he did
exploring and chronicling how and what he did
entirely within his purview
and within his proscribed discretion.

case closed?
because mueller... exceeded what you contend was his purview?

despite what issues he apparently has raised that may indeed still be on the table?

you cannot dismiss the parts of the investigation
or its (i would argue - purposefully in-definitive) findings
by dismissing what you mis-define as its original scope.

let these chips fall.

it is now a political fight.

in the end, we become stronger as a nation
for being able to wade through this mess...
adjust the process
and come to some political conclusion
by categorically ignoring nothing.

 

[Kantarii]

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren has actually read Mueller’s report?
I doubt it.Kant

 

[cleaver]

which appointee

of any President

ISNT and SHOULDNT be partisan?


why do you post such stupid shit?

of course such an appointee is partisan.
it goes with the job.

it is also a perk that comes with custodianship of that branch of government.

the portion of the post which triggers you so
is a response to vette's contention that
mueller populated his team of vigilantes
with democrats and clintonistas.

politics.

so?
breathe.
read.
allow for context.

 

[Sean]

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren has actually read Mueller’s report?
I doubt it.Kant

Considering she was reading it into the congressional record on the floor this afternoon, I'm going to go with yes. You fucking cretin.

 

[heathergives]

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren has actually read Mueller’s report?
I doubt it.Kant

Sure she did. Just as she and the other liberals read the "Obamacare" Act.

 

[bbx56]

of course such an appointee is partisan.
it goes with the job.

it is also a perk that comes with custodianship of that branch of government.

the portion of the post which triggers you so
is a response to vette's contention that
mueller populated his team of vigilantes
with democrats and clintonistas.

politics.

so?
breathe.
read.
allow for context.

well, his position didnt call for PARTISANSHIP

and Mr Knee Grow

‘the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,’


that line was included in the instructions to Booby MuleLiar

the report is silent of efforts to investigate Russia’s role in feeding Steele misinformation,...and paid for by DNC and Clinton

WHY?

WE KNOW WHY!


He neglected to do what he was supposed to do cause of said partisanship
So take you Knee Grow context shit elsewhere

 

[icanhelp1]

just to clarify:

there are two legitimate avenues for redress if in in this case, infractions have occurred.

one is purely legal with all the strictures inherent
the other is almost purely political - with greater legitimate latitude.

hence 2 parts to the document.

while practice, procedure and precedent may preclude action in the first part - i.e. a sitting chief executive cannot be indicted,
the political realm - the one covered by the "boring" part without "legal significance" is wide open...

hence current political turmoil.

to dismiss the turmoil as somehow illegitimate is naive
and antithetical to a constitution that
enshrined a political redress equally with a strictly "legal" one.

To indict a sitting president has untested theory within the constitution ( special circumstances ). I don't believe any observations from individuals here concluded that political turmoil was illegitimate nor antithetical. However turmoil for the sake of turmoil is divisive and is not effective leadership nor a way to govern.

If the formation of a special council is predetermined or precludes any action from it, then, isn't the formation of a special council with the intent to indict render it unconstitutional, or, at least, a waste of time

Being that a special council's governance and findings falls under the auspices of the AG and not any congressional body, then volume 1, which was found statutorily free from crime the publication of the document was not an obligation of the DOJ and volume 2 never becomes a reality.

I believe, to continue the investigation from vol 1 into vol 2 after finding vol 1 to be statutorily clean is in itself judicial overreach. Using the department of justice for political gain or to express an opinion in a subversive attempt to arm congress to facilitate an attempt to impeach and depose a sitting president should be criminally prosecuted. I have never seen a criminal investigation deliberated based on opinion or allowed to continue after the findings concluded nothing of consequence.

I'm not so sure there were two legitimate avenues of redress. A DOJ investigation does not include opinions or political theatre. After the original intent of the investigation has been satisfied there is no second avenue, the case is closed. Leave the political theatrics to those in congress, they have their own investigative bodies where opinion is a legitimate avenue.

The special council's strong arm tactics, perjury traps, witness intimidation, alleged FISA corruption, biased legal council ( Andrew Weissmann a pro Clinton counselor ) Pre-emptive leaks to the press is one of the most deplorable, despicable investigations in the history of law in these United States. Just my humble opinion.

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Considering she was reading it into the congressional record on the floor this afternoon, I'm going to go with yes. You fucking cretin.

https://theunitedstatesblues.com/el...xlVmKfUx3VvycO09DWq6hE4EtzEN0L8SASI6rkmaStHs0

 

[cleaver]

To indict a sitting president has untested theory within the constitution ( special circumstances ). I don't believe any observations from individuals here concluded that political turmoil was illegitimate nor antithetical. However turmoil for the sake of turmoil is divisive and is not effective leadership nor a way to govern.

If the formation of a special council is predetermined or precludes any action from it, then, isn't the formation of a special council with the intent to indict render it unconstitutional, or, at least, a waste of time

Being that a special council's governance and findings falls under the auspices of the AG and not any congressional body, then volume 1, which was found statutorily free from crime the publication of the document was not an obligation of the DOJ and volume 2 never becomes a reality.

I believe, to continue the investigation from vol 1 into vol 2 after finding vol 1 to be statutorily clean is in itself judicial overreach. Using the department of justice for political gain or to express an opinion in a subversive attempt to arm congress to facilitate an attempt to impeach and depose a sitting president should be criminally prosecuted. I have never seen a criminal investigation deliberated based on opinion or allowed to continue after the findings concluded nothing of consequence.

I'm not so sure there were two legitimate avenues of redress. A DOJ investigation does not include opinions or political theatre. After the original intent of the investigation has been satisfied there is no second avenue, the case is closed. Leave the political theatrics to those in congress, they have their own investigative bodies where opinion is a legitimate avenue.

The special council's strong arm tactics, perjury traps, witness intimidation, alleged FISA corruption, biased legal council ( Andrew Weissmann a pro Clinton counselor ) Pre-emptive leaks to the press is one of the most deplorable, despicable investigations in the history of law in these United States. Just my humble opinion.

ok. fine. your opinion in this is... open to debate.

politics is indeed theatrical.

if in the political aftermath,
it is concluded that the special counsel
both exceeded his purview
and is deemed "deplorable" and "despicable"
so be it.

this, like section 2 of his report...

seems to be all pandora'd up.

are there no issues having to do with this administration
or its actions/inactions subject to scrutiny?

the executive branch - which encompasses the doj and its apparatus
have "legal" purview.
the legislative branch has political purview.

the choice to exercise either have serious consequence.

discredit the messenger all you will.
there indeed seems to be a message on the table.

 

[FGB]

Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election Volume I of II Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III Submitted Pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 600.8(c)

Washington, D.C. March 2019

U.S. Department of Justice

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

 

[SpeareChucker]

yes, the scrutiny of this
administration

(oh hell yes
and maybe more)


the anger of the lack
previously

thus for thee
but not
for me

 

[cleaver]

well, his position didnt call for PARTISANSHIP

and Mr Knee Grow

‘the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,’


that line was included in the instructions to Booby MuleLiar

the report is silent of efforts to investigate Russia’s role in feeding Steele misinformation,...and paid for by DNC and Clinton

WHY?

WE KNOW WHY!


He neglected to do what he was supposed to do cause of said partisanship
So take you Knee Grow context shit elsewhere

thanks for the "nigger" treatment...
i feel blessed;
re-integrated actually...

back into the geebee.

it's all partisan, bb...
pimp'n even...

trying to line up hoards
behind placcards
representing chunks of available political power.

 

[cleaver]

yes, the scrutiny of this
administration

(oh hell yes
and maybe more)


the anger of the lack
previously

thus for thee
but not
for me

politics. yes.
it is the conceit that the austrians
have such trouble putting into their non-math math...

i owe you a response on that.
(you do a better me than me... i'll work on that, too)

 

[SpeareChucker]

They have no non-math
They understand totally
the math of the mob unfettered

why the hell do you think they rail
against the non-math of the redistributors?

MMT and "magic multipliers?

 

[bbx56]

thanks for the "nigger" treatment...
i feel blessed;
re-integrated actually...

back into the geebee.

it's all partisan, bb...
pimp'n even...

trying to line up hoards
behind placcards
representing chunks of available political power.

you have yet to earn

the

NIGGER


appellation

yet.....

you are still a Knee Grow

for now!

and let us note

you didnt respond to the point

made

WHY?

WE KNOW WHY!

 

[icanhelp1]

ok. fine. your opinion in this is... open to debate.

politics is indeed theatrical.

if in the political aftermath,
it is concluded that the special counsel
both exceeded his purview
and is deemed "deplorable" and "despicable"
so be it.

this, like section 2 of his report...

seems to be all pandora'd up.

are there no issues having to do with this administration
or its actions/inactions subject to scrutiny?

the executive branch - which encompasses the doj and its apparatus
have "legal" purview.
the legislative branch has political purview.

the choice to exercise either have serious consequence.

discredit the messenger all you will.
there indeed seems to be a message on the table.

It seems we conflate court proceedings with special council. That is why impeachment is so difficult. Indictment of a sitting president still has not been proven at the SCOTUs level i.e. a president shoots somebody dead, is there a procedure to immediately indict bypassing presidential article 2 powers which allows the AG to act independently of the executive branch, maybe, it's not tested. It always seems to come back to " is anybody above the law" I don't believe our framers intended that to be the case.

The establishment of this special council was based on a politically toxic environment, a DOJ, FBI, NSA, DNI poisoned by a hatred for a duly elected president. The scales of justice are supposed to be blind, not in this case. The recusal of a sitting AG allowed a subordinate to dictate the parameters of the investigation, although appointed by Trump it was not his selection for AG. To have an AG recused through this whole debacle is not fully representative of the president of the United States and allowed this investigation to get out of hand because of how the instruction were written. The executive branch was effectively left out to dry, handcuffed for fear of reprisal for interference, hence, Trump protesting the proceedings for self defense because his AG was out in left field and a AAG politically toxic, hence obstruction of justice allegations. What a shit shute.

I guess I compare the Mueller report as to a prosecuting attorney losing his case and the judge renders the case dismissed and the prosecutor goes back to the judge and says "how about this idea" or can we get him on a parking violation.
Peoples lives were ruined because of a justice department run amuck. The scope and latitude given to Mueller was unprecedented and possibly unconstitutional. The consensus politically and media wise was he was guilty without a trial. We all should fear what happened. Don't talk to the FBI without a lawyer for fear of prosecution based on process than an actual crime. What happened to Kavanaugh was a miscarriage of justice and we are experiencing another. Just my humble opinion.

Maybe th AG should come under SCOTUS

 

[phrodeau]

Considering she was reading it into the congressional record on the floor this afternoon, I'm going to go with yes. You fucking cretin.

She even read complete sentences and entire paragraphs from the report. Is there any Republican who can make that claim?

 

[Rightguide]

i disagree.

you forget the original creation of this special counsel
which included exploration of...
"any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation"

mueller concluded his investigation where he did
exploring and chronicling how and what he did
entirely within his purview
and within his proscribed discretion.

case closed?
because mueller... exceeded what you contend was his purview?

despite what issues he apparently has raised that may indeed still be on the table?

you cannot dismiss the parts of the investigation
or its (i would argue - purposefully in-definitive) findings
by dismissing what you mis-define as its original scope.

let these chips fall.

it is now a political fight.

in the end, we become stronger as a nation
for being able to wade through this mess...
adjust the process
and come to some political conclusion
by categorically ignoring nothing.

We don't become stronger when the Congress is willing to destroy an AG because he won't break federal law and give them materials they are not entitled to by that same law.

 

[Kantarii]

We don't become stronger when the Congress is willing to destroy an AG because he won't break federal law and give them materials they are not entitled to by that same law.

Sounds like a similar tactic the Democrats tried with Kavanaugh. That shit got them nowhere, the same will hold true here.Kant

 

[BotanyBoy]

She is socialist scum.....her and her fan club should be rounded up and air-dropped into N. Korea.

 

[Kantarii]

She is socialist scum.....her and her fan club should be rounded up and air-dropped into N. Korea.

Hahaha.... you aren’t suggesting we torture Kim like that, are youKant

 

[BotanyBoy]

Hahaha.... you aren’t suggesting we torture Kim like that, are youKant

Dear leader laughs at the idea.......he'll give them a good dose of the equitarian utopia they desire.