Escaping antizionism

[CuriousCat89]

They did, but this was hampered by Netanyahu closing off his war zone to journalists and international mediators while he was striking at any target that might harbor Hamas terrorists. This led to mass civilian casualties and left the hostages in a more vulnerable position.

With regard to possible international military rescue actions, Netanyahu was calling the shots-- other nations were not going to engage in rescue raids under those circumstances. This was similar to what is happening right now with European nations being reluctant to rescue President Pig from the mess he made in the Strait of Hormuz.

Many relatives of the hostages wanted Netanyahu to place a higher priority on hostage release than on trying to destroy every possible hideout of Hamas. Those demonstrations were largely unsuccessful, because Netanyahu's highest priority was on eliminating adversaries.

This is the path that Netanyahu chose to follow, and still does to this day.

Not one single time did the red cross ask to see hostages and check on their health/wellbeing. Same as the very same red cross ignoring prisoners (of all kinds) in concentration camps.

Blaming Netanyahu for Hamas' taking civilians hostage is the common trend with Jew haters. Netanyahu is to blame for delays because he wanted Trump to be president when hostages were released. But ultimately, Hamas had these people, and could have let them go.

Netanyahu is to blame for 10/7 happening. But the hostages were living in the homes of respected "innocent" Palestinians. None of them offered to help, sent messages to family members, anything.

Instead, they filmed their brutality and sent that to families. That was not Netanyahu's doing.

 

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Fuck Israel.
Fuck trump.




https://www.reddit.com/r/Israeli_Violence/s/rhNRtRjUxg

 

[coati]

Not one single time did the red cross ask to see hostages and check on their health/wellbeing. Same as the very same red cross ignoring prisoners (of all kinds) in concentration camps.

Blaming Netanyahu for Hamas' taking civilians hostage is the common trend with Jew haters. Netanyahu is to blame for delays because he wanted Trump to be president when hostages were released. But ultimately, Hamas had these people, and could have let them go.

Netanyahu is to blame for 10/7 happening. But the hostages were living in the homes of respected "innocent" Palestinians. None of them offered to help, sent messages to family members, anything.

Instead, they filmed their brutality and sent that to families. That was not Netanyahu's doing.

Are you implying that I am a Jew hater, based on the post you were responding to?

Just want to clarify that first.

 

[CuriousCat89]

Are you implying that I am a Jew hater, based on the post you were responding to?

Just want to clarify that first.

No. Pointing out that this is a common tactic.

 

[coati]

No. Pointing out that this is a common tactic.

Good, because I said nothing in my post that warrants being called a Jew hater. You were responding to my post.

Regarding the Red Cross, it is not true that they never asked to monitor and assess the conditions of the Israelis being held as hostages. They were denied access to the hostages by Hamas. In turn, the Red Cross was denied access to Palestinian prisoners being held by Israel. The Red Cross has limits placed on it by belligerent parties:

Facing flak, Red Cross defends its role in Israel-Hamas war | The Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com/facing-flak-red-cross-defends-its-role-in-israel-hamas-war/amp/

 

[phtlc]

That subject is similar to any other major protracted conflict involving an ever-escalating cycle of revenge.

There were and are off-ramps to disproportionate escalation.

But it was not revenge. It was war, and Israels objectives were the surrender of Hamas, and the return of the hostages. They were using force to achieve those objectives.

 

[Noor]

Not one single time did the red cross ask to see hostages and check on their health/wellbeing. Same as the very same red cross ignoring prisoners (of all kinds) in concentration camps.

Blaming Netanyahu for Hamas' taking civilians hostage is the common trend with Jew haters. Netanyahu is to blame for delays because he wanted Trump to be president when hostages were released. But ultimately, Hamas had these people, and could have let them go.

Netanyahu is to blame for 10/7 happening. But the hostages were living in the homes of respected "innocent" Palestinians. None of them offered to help, sent messages to family members, anything.

Instead, they filmed their brutality and sent that to families. That was not Netanyahu's doing.

The Red Cross did visit a model children’s concentration camp in Czechoslovakia called Terezin ( Theresienstadt) and were conned each time. The camp was set up to deceive the international Red Cross and it worked.
This is the camp with the famous children’s opera. Of the 15000 children held there less than 200 survived.

 

[CuriousCat89]

The Red Cross did visit a model children’s concentration camp in Czechoslovakia called Terezin ( Theresienstadt) and were conned each time. The camp was set up to deceive the international Red Cross and it worked.
This is the camp with the famous children’s opera. Of the 15000 children held there less than 200 survived.

The Red Cross also looked the other way under cover of their neutrality policy. The policy was that the Jewish issue was a German matter not a Red Cross matter.

The the 90s, ICRC even admitted they knew what was happening at the time. But they sure find time to report on Gaza. And fundraise of it. And be in photo ops of hostage/prisoner exchanges. Fuck them.

 

[Noor]

The Red Cross also looked the other way under cover of their neutrality policy. The policy was that the Jewish issue was a German matter not a Red Cross matter.

The the 90s, ICRC even admitted they knew what was happening at the time. But they sure find time to report on Gaza. And fundraise of it. And be in photo ops of hostage/prisoner exchanges. Fuck them.

prior to Red Cross visits, the Germans sent any sick children away, repainted and replanted everything. You’d think the smell of fresh paint would have made them suspicious.

 

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Fuck you.
Fuck Israel.
Fuck trump.

 

[LeahWill]

The the 90s, ICRC even admitted they knew what was happening at the time. But they sure find time to report on Gaza.

So having admitted 30 years ago to their grievous mistakes your take is that, out of presunably fairness to Israel and to 'even the score', the ICRC should now repeat those and treat Israel in the same way as they did Nazi Germany in the 1940s?

 

[coati]

But it was not revenge. It was war, and Israels objectives were the surrender of Hamas, and the return of the hostages. They were using force to achieve those objectives.

Yes, Netanyahu, President Pig, and Putin are big believers in the force-on-its-own strategy.

 

[CuriousCat89]

So having admitted 30 years ago to their grievous mistakes your take is that, out of presunably fairness to Israel and to 'even the score', the ICRC should now repeat those and treat Israel in the same way as they did Nazi Germany in the 1940s?

Not at all. I’m saying they have a history of hating Jews. They were in Gaza helping civilians (and probably also ‘civilians’) and didn’t make any real effort to check on the status of hostages. But made a point to be front and center at hostage release photo ops.

Because, first point.

 

[CuriousCat89]

prior to Red Cross visits, the Germans sent any sick children, repainted and replanted everything. You’d think the smell of fresh paint would have made them suspicious.

Or, you know, the smell of burning flesh.
Like I said, the Red Cross’s history is deeply problematic - against one specific group.
‘I don’t want to get involved in political issues!’

 

[coati]

Or, you know, the smell of burning flesh.
Like I said, the Red Cross’s history is deeply problematic - against one specific group.
‘I don’t want to get involved in political issues!’

You're blaming the Red Cross for being refused access to the hostages held held by Hamas in undisclosed locations in Gaza.

Hamas didn't trust the Red Cross any more than you do. The Red Cross admitted their mistakes in WW2, but they were purposefully denied knowledge of where hostages were held in Gaza and were explicitly denied access to them. They were also denied access to Palestinian prisoners in Israel.

War is ugly.

 

[Noor]

Or, you know, the smell of burning flesh.
Like I said, the Red Cross’s history is deeply problematic - against one specific group.
‘I don’t want to get involved in political issues!’

They transported from there, no ovens.

 

[CuriousCat89]

You're blaming the Red Cross for being refused access to the hostages held held by Hamas in undisclosed locations in Gaza.

Hamas didn't trust the Red Cross any more than you do. The Red Cross admitted their mistakes in WW2, but they were purposefully denied knowledge of where hostages were held in Gaza and were explicitly denied access to them. They were also denied access to Palestinian prisoners in Israel.

War is ugly.

‘If you want us to help your people, you need to give us access to hostages’.
It’s it difficult if you want to help all people.
They don’t want to help all people.

 

[CuriousCat89]

They transported from there, no ovens.

There were crematoriums in that camp.

They dumped the ashes into the river to hide evidence towards the end of the war.

 

[rainsol]

You're blaming the Red Cross for being refused access to the hostages held held by Hamas in undisclosed locations in Gaza.

Hamas didn't trust the Red Cross any more than you do. The Red Cross admitted their mistakes in WW2, but they were purposefully denied knowledge of where hostages were held in Gaza and were explicitly denied access to them. They were also denied access to Palestinian prisoners in Israel.

War is ugly.

Yes it is ugly but terrorism is worse and has no boundries

 

[RobDownSouth]

There were crematoriums in that camp.

They dumped the ashes into the river to hide evidence towards the end of the war.

It pains my soul to agree with a Zionist extremist like Noor, but she is correct and you are mistaken.
Theresienstadt was an oddity in Nazi Germany. It was originally an early version of a Russian potemkin village,
a place to show the world where retired Jews and Jewish Children were "resettled". It was, of course, a facade.
There were five much bigger concentration camps that contained extermination "showers" and crematoria.
They were

• Auschwitz-Birkenau
• Majdanek
• Treblinka, Sobibor, & Belzec
• Chełmno
• Dachau

As the war progressed, Theresienstadt was re-purposed as a transit hub to Auschwitz. Trains from smaller towns in Germany would send Jews there for transport.

An estimated 33K Jews died of malnutrition/starvation overall in Theresienstadt during World War 2, far fewer than the Gazans starved by Zionist Apartheid Israel.

i believe (not entirely sure) that Auschwitz was the only camp to dump some ashes into a river (Vistula I think), I do recall the mini-series War and Remembrance featured a gruesome scene of John Gielgud's character being gassed, burned, pulverized and dumped into a river near the Auschwitz camp. I think the rest were buried in bulldozed burial pits.

Trivia I remember from visiting Auschwitz years ago: Jewish dentists were spared the gas chamber. Their job was to examine victims and extract gold teeth from the dead. Spot checks were performed afterwards by SS guards. If a dentist missed a gold tooth he was executed.

 

[phtlc]

Yes, Netanyahu, President Pig, and Putin are big believers in the force-on-its-own strategy.

Admittedly I'm no expert, but history does seem to suggest that force is how wars are won.

 

[ll74]

Admittedly I'm no expert, but history does seem to suggest that force is how wars are won.

Russia would like a word

 

[coati]

Admittedly I'm no expert, but history does seem to suggest that force is how wars are won.

In the modern world, force-on-its-own strategies for "winning" are not proving to be effective. Ultimately a negotiated political settlement is the only way to avoid continued mass civilian casualties and break the cycle of revenge/obliteration against the perceived enemy.

The current experiences of Putin, President Pig, and Netanyahu are proving to be examples of this.

 

[CuriousCat89]

Yes it is ugly but terrorism is worse and has no boundries

Of course terrorism ksnworse

It pains my soul to agree with a Zionist extremist like Noor, but she is correct and you are mistaken.
Theresienstadt was an oddity in Nazi Germany. It was originally an early version of a Russian potemkin village,
a place to show the world where retired Jews and Jewish Children were "resettled". It was, of course, a facade.
There were five much bigger concentration camps that contained extermination "showers" and crematoria.
They were

• Auschwitz-Birkenau
• Majdanek
• Treblinka, Sobibor, & Belzec
• Chełmno
• Dachau

As the war progressed, Theresienstadt was re-purposed as a transit hub to Auschwitz. Trains from smaller towns in Germany would send Jews there for transport.

An estimated 33K Jews died of malnutrition/starvation overall in Theresienstadt during World War 2, far fewer than the Gazans starved by Zionist Apartheid Israel.

i believe (not entirely sure) that Auschwitz was the only camp to dump some ashes into a river (Vistula I think), I do recall the mini-series War and Remembrance featured a gruesome scene of John Gielgud's character being gassed, burned, pulverized and dumped into a river near the Auschwitz camp. I think the rest were buried in bulldozed burial pits.

Trivia I remember from visiting Auschwitz years ago: Jewish dentists were spared the gas chamber. Their job was to examine victims and extract gold teeth from the dead. Spot checks were performed afterwards by SS guards. If a dentist missed a gold tooth he was executed.

omg there was a crematorium there. That’s how they disposed of the bodies. They dumped the ashes into the Ohře.

It wasn’t a death camp. But they had ovens. Even small ‘work camps’ like Sachsenhausen had them - if you want pictures of them, I have em. So does this website. and more info here.

 

[CuriousCat89]

Trivia I remember from visiting Auschwitz years ago: Jewish dentists were spared the gas chamber. Their job was to examine victims and extract gold teeth from the dead. Spot checks were performed afterwards by SS guards. If a dentist missed a gold tooth he was executed.

The fact that you didn’t get this information from school is how I’m not surprised we are where we are now with the hatred.

An estimated 33K Jews died of malnutrition/starvation overall in Theresienstadt during World War 2, far fewer than the Gazans starved by Zionist Apartheid Israel.

And while I’m no fan of Bibi, it’s really hard to watch people justify Hamas using women and children as human shields. It’s a tactic they’ve used…forever. They also sent women and children to perform suicide bombing in the second intifada.

Israel absolutely committed war crimes. But let’s not absolve Hamas of using the cause and people and being part of why so many civilians have been killed.