extreme makeover- would you?

[satindesire]

i think it's like YC says...if something is huge, you're gonna look. man, woman child dog cat...a pair of ginormous boobs just set out there on front street are going to get a lot of attention. but that attention doesn't automatically translate to actual attraction.

*laughing*

 

[JMohegan]

I blame porn for the responses on this thread.

Just kidding.

My serious response - no, I would not have this done to myself and no, I would never permit a partner to do this either.

 

[00Syd]

I blame porn for the responses on this thread.

Bwahahahahaha

 

[ownedsubgal]

I blame porn for the responses on this thread.

Just kidding.

My serious response - no, I would not have this done to myself and no, I would never permit a partner to do this either.

what is she had a dismally low physical self-image, to the point where it seriously effected her life as well as your relationship?

 

[JMohegan]

what is she had a dismally low physical self-image, to the point where it seriously effected her life as well as your relationship?

I've never dated a woman who considered herself to be flawless, but I've always been able to convince the women I dated that I found them beautiful and attractive despite any imperfections.

If I weren't able to do that convincing, that would definitely be a problem. It would be as if she responded to sincere compliments by essentially calling me a liar, or at best disingenuous. Sounds like a deal killer, to tell you the truth.

So this hypothetical's a stretch. But let's say she was a friend or colleague or relative or whatever. I'd definitely recommend therapy over plastic surgery.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm against elective plastic surgery in general so nooooo!

 

[rida]

Will not do it for a show, but I'm not against plastic surgery/improvements on principle. Nor even extreme makeovers if that is what the person wants.

For me, it is not a question of wanting to be flawless. I'm pretty happy with the way I turned out be look at my age. And even, when younger and going through the lack of self esteem typical of teen-age years I did not think I needed plastic surgery to fix my looks, although I wished my legs were longer and thinner.

I do confess however to a desire of wishing I could get a slightly younger looking face or at least keep it from getting any older. So I would not exclude some form of face lift in the future.

Same for my body. My tummy skin is getting flabby and as such I would not exclude some form of lift in the future.

 

[satindesire]

Maybe it's just my liking of being "done" all the time, but having a really smooth highly symmetrical face is just too appealing to me.

My hairdresser gets a lot of business from me, if I had the money to blow on a plastic surgeon (and eventually I WILL! ), I'd keep him/her in yachts for sure.

 

[ecstaticsub]

I few years ago I had a tummy tuck (abdominoplasty) . After having 2 children, post partum depression and gaining lots of weight I got healthier, lost over 75lbs and wanted to get rid of the extra skin on my stomach for good.

It was very expensive, extremely painful (worse than my hysterectomy or childbirth) but I am so glad I did it. I do have a really bad scar from it. I've had the scar redone once already but my body keloids and steriod injection, silicone sheeting etc hasn't helped. But I'm still glad I did it.

I didn't do it because I felt I looked bad, or for self-esteem issues it was more of a reward for surviving some very difficult times. Also weight loss was getting frustrating because no matter how much weight I loss I couldn't get rid of this reminder of my depression. There are other procedures that my body probably needs. But I won't have any more done. (probably, I can absolutely see where once you have a procedure done a person wants more)

An interesting side note. I met my PYL about 9 months before my surgery. I had already decided I was going to have it done but was still saving up the money and checking out doctors. I was terrified to tell him because I was afraid he would talk me out of it. He was so wonderful about it. He told me he didn't think I needed it, but if I really wanted it he would allow it and support me. I know it was difficult for him because at the time we lived very far from each other. He was so worried about me.

 

[JMohegan]

I do confess however to a desire of wishing I could get a slightly younger looking face or at least keep it from getting any older. So I would not exclude some form of face lift in the future.

Same for my body. My tummy skin is getting flabby and as such I would not exclude some form of lift in the future.

This woman looks gorgeous:

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Helen-Mirren.jpg


And this woman looks waxy and desperate:

http://www.celebritywonder.com/picture/Jessica_Lange/JessicaLange_JMcCarth_8909038.jpg


Of course, we're talking aesthetics, so each person's opinion is different.



Does your husband or D find you lacking, or soon-to lacking, in looks? If not, then who would you be trying to attract or impress by altering your appearance?

 

[ownedsubgal]

I've never dated a woman who considered herself to be flawless, but I've always been able to convince the women I dated that I found them beautiful and attractive despite any imperfections.

If I weren't able to do that convincing, that would definitely be a problem. It would be as if she responded to sincere compliments by essentially calling me a liar, or at best disingenuous. Sounds like a deal killer, to tell you the truth.

So this hypothetical's a stretch. But let's say she was a friend or colleague or relative or whatever. I'd definitely recommend therapy over plastic surgery.

ha, therapy. i could have guessed that would have been your answer.

the thing is, being assured and convinced that one's mate finds one attractive and desirable is often not enough to override very low self-image. my Master tells me constantly how cute/hot/sexy he finds me, and i do not doubt his sincerity in the least. but when i look in the mirror, that is just not the way i feel.

so my answer to the question you posed to rida about who she would be trying to "impress," would be no one. for me it would be about being more comfortable in my own skin, more secure and confident within myself.

 

[CutieMouse]

I don't think I would, mostly because A) it took more than 30 years to get "comfortable in my skin" and now that I am there are so many other things I'd rather spend the money on, and B) in my line of work I see a lot of augmentations/etc and ya know what? I'd say about 90% of the time the lift/tuck/augmentation doesn't change how the woman sees herself.

Breast reductions tend to be a whole different issue, as they tend to be more health-oriented than cosmetic oriented, but there are some really poorly done reductions out there. Actually, there are a lot of poorly done plastic surgeries out there, period. Research your doctors. Then research some more.

<hijack>

And BTW, Keroin, I've seen your picture and there is no way in hell you are a 36B. You're what, a size 4? 6, maybe? Unless the whole Wannahokaloogie Island did something weird to your physiology, it would be almost impossible to have your frame, and fit a 36B bra. Just sayin'.

</hijack>

 

[Keroin]

<hijack>

And BTW, Keroin, I've seen your picture and there is no way in hell you are a 36B. You're what, a size 4? 6, maybe? Unless the whole Wannahokaloogie Island did something weird to your physiology, it would be almost impossible to have your frame, and fit a 36B bra. Just sayin'.

</hijack>

No, seriously, I've been professionally measured - film biz wardrobe departments are very strict about sizes. 36B. Yep.

Size 5/6.

I even know my glove and hat sizes, lol. That was how my resume was laid out. Name, phone number, union number, then every single measurement known to man...followed, finally, by my film credits and skills

 

[rida]

This woman looks gorgeous:

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Helen-Mirren.jpg


And this woman looks waxy and desperate:

http://www.celebritywonder.com/picture/Jessica_Lange/JessicaLange_JMcCarth_8909038.jpg


Of course, we're talking aesthetics, so each person's opinion is different.



Does your husband or D find you lacking, or soon-to lacking, in looks? If not, then who would you be trying to attract or impress by altering your appearance?

Oh, I agree that Helen Mirren looks much better than Jessica Lange.

And I've no intention of turning into a parody of myself. So honestly, if I ever get to the point of wanting to pull up my face a bit, I'm going to make sure I'll go for the "just not so droopy" instead of "younger" procedure. Then again I'm chicken enough that the idea of needles and knifes on my face is still very scary.

However the flabby tummy is a higher candidate for a tuck. Not yet and, depending on how my body ages in the next 10 years (and how much exercising pack), perhaps never, but I just do not exclude it.

Nor Hubby nor the Sadist have expressed any complaint. And if they did, it might make me get more serious with exercising or proper skin-care, but it will not make me decide to go under the knife. Without a serious souls searching.

It will be something I do for myself, because I want to.

And right now, yes, there is a little element of fear of becoming "not attractive" enough in the next 10 years. It is a bit of a delayed "I've turned 40!" shock coupled with the "why did I waste my 30s!" and "shit! next time it will be 50!". I'm sure I'll get over it.

One more thing, I actually feel younger than my calendar age. So there is also the desire to look as young as I feel. Right now it's ok.

 

[CutieMouse]

No, seriously, I've been professionally measured - film biz wardrobe departments are very strict about sizes. 36B. Yep.

Size 5/6.

I even know my glove and hat sizes, lol. That was how my resume was laid out. Name, phone number, union number, then every single measurement known to man...followed, finally, by my film credits and skills

<hijack hijack>

Ooooookaaaay... but I'm telling you a size 5/6 will almost always have a 31" - 33" ribcage (if not smaller), which generally speaking means a size 36 bra will completely overwhelm the frame.

</hijack hijack>

Sigh... I can't even hang out on a porn board without talking shop. How freaking boring is that?

 

[Keroin]

Oh, and I gotta go with CM. I have seen a LOT of plastic surgery, on people who could afford the expensive stuff, and most of it looked awful.

I doubled one actress whose face was such a mess from surgery that she wouldn't come to set without make up. So the make up person had to go to her hotel room two hours before set call to put the woman's face on. And she was such a beautiful person on the inside, really lovely.

Sad. Farking sad.

 

[Keroin]

<hijack hijack>

Ooooookaaaay... but I'm telling you a size 5/6 will almost always have a 31" - 33" ribcage (if not smaller), which generally speaking means a size 36 bra will completely overwhelm the frame.

</hijack hijack>

Sigh... I can't even hang out on a porn board without talking shop. How freaking boring is that?

So…what? You’re saying I have a freakishly large ribcage??

*checks self in mirror*

Oh no! You’re right! Now I need a ribcage reduction!!

/silliness

I like your shop talk CM, it’s cool.

 

[midwestyankee]

So…what? You’re saying I have a freakishly large ribcage??

*checks self in mirror*

Oh no! You’re right! Now I need a ribcage reduction!!

/silliness

I like your shop talk CM, it’s cool.

Or perhaps, because Venus was in submission in the house of Mars when you were born, your ribcage began to mysteriously shrink during your thirties. I'll gladly come to your aid and provide completely objective measuring services.

Free, of course.

 

[CutieMouse]

So…what? You’re saying I have a freakishly large ribcage??

*checks self in mirror*

Oh no! You’re right! Now I need a ribcage reduction!!

/silliness

I like your shop talk CM, it’s cool.

<dork alert>

Noooo... I just keep thinking I have to have at least 30# on you (ye gods this is the heaviest I've been since I stopped being fat), and *I* am a 32C... so unless you've spent like a gazillion years perfecting the butterfly stroke or hanging out on the uneven bars you can't *possibly* wear a larger bra than me.

Or maybe alien monkeys hijacked my brain, and I'm off. But if I could just put my hands around your ribcage for like 2 seconds I'd know for sure.



</dork alert>

 

[midwestyankee]

<dork alert>

Noooo... I just keep thinking I have to have at least 30# on you (ye gods this is the heaviest I've been since I stopped being fat), and *I* am a 32C... so unless you've spent like a gazillion years perfecting the butterfly stroke or hanging out on the uneven bars you can't *possibly* wear a larger bra than me.

Or maybe alien monkeys hijacked my brain, and I'm off. But if I could just put my hands around your ribcage for like 2 seconds I'd know for sure.



</dork alert>

The ribcage measuring line forms behind moi, young Mouse.

 

[Tiffany87]

Flat stomach

 

[Netzach]

Is it really being suggested that the only person a woman needs to feel pretty for is a partner? Because emotionally M is the one who matters most but I live in the real world. I matter. Strangers matter. It affects your paycheck your day and your outlook.

If I age more into Leona Helmsley than Helen Mirren (that's a bit of *luck* there) the hell I'm not getting work.

 

[JMohegan]

Is it really being suggested that the only person a woman needs to feel pretty for is a partner? Because emotionally M is the one who matters most but I live in the real world. I matter. Strangers matter. It affects your paycheck your day and your outlook.

If I age more into Leona Helmsley than Helen Mirren (that's a bit of *luck* there) the hell I'm not getting work.

Are you suggesting that M's standard is lower than society's baseline?

Lower than the point at which one is attractive enough for other people to interact with on the basis of personality, intelligence, disposition, and behavior?

 

[BiBunny]

Is it really being suggested that the only person a woman needs to feel pretty for is a partner? Because emotionally M is the one who matters most but I live in the real world. I matter. Strangers matter. It affects your paycheck your day and your outlook.

If I age more into Leona Helmsley than Helen Mirren (that's a bit of *luck* there) the hell I'm not getting work.

And, naturally, no woman would ever want to do something like this for herself.

 

[JMohegan]

If I age more into Leona Helmsley than Helen Mirren (that's a bit of *luck* there) the hell I'm not getting work.

CHRIST, this is depressing.

A smart, self-assured, savvy female caves to the bullshit pedaled by the "beauty" industry. God damn it, Netzach. Don't do this. Don't let them win.