extreme makeover- would you?

[midwestyankee]

As far as I can tell, the only respondents to this thread who have offered opinions of whether they would accept the extreme makeover have been women. On the surface, this suggests that the men who post here feel differently about such things. Which may well be true. Or it could be that men try to keep their vanity under closer wraps.

In any event, I have a hypothetical which takes us slightly off track (that is, assuming the track is strictly participation in the show as is and not the general topic of cosmetic surgery) and I'd like to see how folks react to it.

If it were actually possible for a man to have his genitals enlarged to a significant degree through cosmetic surgery that was no more complicated than breast augmentation (a prospect which is not possible currently), do you think that many men would have this surgery performed? Why or why not?

 

[Netzach]

Bingo. Don't anyone kid themselves that that the beauty industry is about anything other than this.


As for women wanting to appear younger, there are a few things going on here. Vanity and peer/societal pressure play a big role but also society typically places less value on women who present as "older". Simply put "You are no longer able to produce offspring therefore you are not as important to our 'tribe'". A sociologist I know, (a woman), explained this to me and talked about some studies that were done to prove such. The same is not true of men who present as "older".

I wish women didn't feel the need to make themselves beautiful via surgery, and I wish, as ES pointed out, that they could understand that it's not as simple as "snip, snip" and "voila!" you look and feel wonderful! There is no surgical procedure for self esteem. And physically, the landscape of your body continues to shift as you age and that tends to highlight, in the worst way, the surgical procedures you have done. However, I'm not going to condemn women who have these things done - I know how powerful that feeling of "I'm not good enough" can be.

I will continue to preach the gospel of natural beauty, though. Those models and actresses you see that look SO great, well, they've got make up and lighting and camera angles working for them. It's fake. Fake, fake, fake!

Fight the power!

If you want to look at damage caused by marketing how about we hold some fire to the feet of the banking and real estate industries instead - because male and female everyone was REALLY happy to buy a pig in a poke based on fantasies of what life *should* be like.

Can someone point me to the marxist industry that is not about making money?

If you think I'm retarded enough that in being open to having work done it's in an effort to look more like a photo of someone else in an ad then I guess you are welcome to think I'm an idiot.

My mother had something done. A rhinoplasty. The job was gorgeous proportional and you'd never know she had one - she did not get a generic button nose out of it. Not every surgery is done in an effort to look like the boring beauty standard as much as possible. Not everyone who does elect for something is in the throes of "I'm not good enough." Maybe they're just fucking fed up with one more comment.

 

[Netzach]

As far as I can tell, the only respondents to this thread who have offered opinions of whether they would accept the extreme makeover have been women. On the surface, this suggests that the men who post here feel differently about such things. Which may well be true. Or it could be that men try to keep their vanity under closer wraps.

In any event, I have a hypothetical which takes us slightly off track (that is, assuming the track is strictly participation in the show as is and not the general topic of cosmetic surgery) and I'd like to see how folks react to it.

If it were actually possible for a man to have his genitals enlarged to a significant degree through cosmetic surgery that was no more complicated than breast augmentation (a prospect which is not possible currently), do you think that many men would have this surgery performed? Why or why not?

Well this thread notwithstanding a great number of men are having things done.

People have all kinds of motivations - some of it the worst insecurity, some of it an acknowledgement that looks matter and they affect your paycheck - and they affect the paycheck of a 65 YO exec male as much as they do mine - anyone whose photo circulates or who gets in front of people. Love it or hate it - stick your head in the sand over it as much as you want.

When those of you who don't notice a looks/paycheck correalation are content to have your income fall off by half in the course of a week over it I'll talk about my insecurities. For now most of them are the same as yours - paying bills.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

I'm watching extreme makeover UK, where they take normal people, and give them plastic surgery/dental/personal trainer/hair and wardrobe makeover, all paid for.

So, would you do it? And if so, what would you want done?

Outside of my teeth (They could use some fixing...too many fist fights when I was younger...) there is nothing I can think of. At damn near 38 and mother of 3, I am still a size 6, still 135, about 11% body fat, and curvy. My breasts do what they are supposed to and my face is cute enough to get hit on by guys 10 years my junior.

So yeah, just my teeth...but not on TV.

 

[Netzach]

Outside of my teeth (They could use some fixing...too many fist fights when I was younger...) there is nothing I can think of. At damn near 38 and mother of 3, I am still a size 6, still 135, about 11% body fat, and curvy. My breasts do what they are supposed to and my face is cute enough to get hit on by guys 10 years my junior.

So yeah, just my teeth...but not on TV.

That's my biggest issue too and if anyone's sick enough to want to watch that they can lol.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

That's my biggest issue too and if anyone's sick enough to want to watch that they can lol.

*cracks up*

A lot of it is discoloration from smoking (yes, I know, I know...awful habit...ewwww). The rest is from fighting. Two chipped teeth in the front, a broken tooth in the back (plus one or two missing~luckily where no one would notice)...but having my mouth wide open on national television?? Nope, not for me!

 

[Netzach]

I'm saying that someone's personality and behavior will have a powerful influence on how attractive he or she is perceived to be by other people.

Not "attractive," as in: the Barbie standard. Attractive, as in: I like to be with, and look at, this human being.

Renaissance or not, that has been my experience and is what I honestly believe.

Anne Hathaway seems like someone who knows where a body or two might be buried but won't say. I have trouble believing you can be seriously involved with an organized criminal and have no idea and derive no gains.

However she is seen as graceful, classy, beautiful and an heir to Audrey Hepburn's mantle in hollywood.

Aaron Altman: I know you care about him. I've never seen you like this about anyone, so please don't take it wrong when I tell you that I believe that Tom, while a very nice guy, is the Devil.
Jane Craig: This isn't friendship.
Aaron Altman: What do you think the Devil is going to look like if he's around? Nobody is going to be taken in if he has a long, red, pointy tail. No. I'm semi-serious here. He will look attractive and he will be nice and helpful and he will get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation and he will never do an evil thing

 

[midwestyankee]

Well this thread notwithstanding a great number of men are having things done.

People have all kinds of motivations - some of it the worst insecurity, some of it an acknowledgement that looks matter and they affect your paycheck - and they affect the paycheck of a 65 YO exec male as much as they do mine - anyone whose photo circulates or who gets in front of people. Love it or hate it - stick your head in the sand over it as much as you want.

When those of you who don't notice a looks/paycheck correalation are content to have your income fall off by half in the course of a week over it I'll talk about my insecurities. For now most of them are the same as yours - paying bills.

I'm well aware of the correlation between looks and earnings - particularly inside the corporate world - and it's clearly one of the reasons why men have become regular patients of cosmetic surgery.

But my question was very specifically about genital amplification. The conventional wisdom is that a large part of the cosmetic surgery being elected by women is motivated by insecurities of one sort or another. Based on my email inbox, there does seem to be a belief that a lot of guys would like to get Superschlonged if they could out of similar insecurities.

So what's the bet around here? If guys could get superschlonged just as easily as a newsreader can get her boobage amplified before the 9 pm broadcast, would they?

 

[Netzach]

I'm well aware of the correlation between looks and earnings - particularly inside the corporate world - and it's clearly one of the reasons why men have become regular patients of cosmetic surgery.

But my question was very specifically about genital amplification. The conventional wisdom is that a large part of the cosmetic surgery being elected by women is motivated by insecurities of one sort or another. Based on my email inbox, there does seem to be a belief that a lot of guys would like to get Superschlonged if they could out of similar insecurities.

So what's the bet around here? If guys could get superschlonged just as easily as a newsreader can get her boobage amplified before the 9 pm broadcast, would they?

Absolutely. Even if there was a ten percent chance of losing mr. happy people would blithely enlarge hither and yon.

And I wonder if you'd have guys saying "but if she's *happy* with your four point five inches ed, why are you doing this?"

I mean wouldn't all the penis enlargement spam go away if there wasn't money being made in some obscure fashion I can't even fathom?

 

[midwestyankee]

Absolutely. Even if there was a ten percent chance of losing mr. happy people would blithely enlarge hither and yon.

And I wonder if you'd have guys saying "but if she's *happy* with your four point five inches ed, why are you doing this?"

I mean wouldn't all the penis enlargement spam go away if there wasn't money being made in some obscure fashion I can't even fathom?

Absolutely. No one spams for fun so there has to be a whopper of a deal for the one in ten thousand who reply with yes, sell me some of those magic beans.

 

[Stella_Omega]

As far as I can tell, the only respondents to this thread who have offered opinions of whether they would accept the extreme makeover have been women. On the surface, this suggests that the men who post here feel differently about such things. Which may well be true. Or it could be that men try to keep their vanity under closer wraps.

In any event, I have a hypothetical which takes us slightly off track (that is, assuming the track is strictly participation in the show as is and not the general topic of cosmetic surgery) and I'd like to see how folks react to it.

If it were actually possible for a man to have his genitals enlarged to a significant degree through cosmetic surgery that was no more complicated than breast augmentation (a prospect which is not possible currently), do you think that many men would have this surgery performed? Why or why not?

I would.

 

[Netzach]

I would.

But would you have a massive slab of bar dick or a workaday seven inches?

Shit, if it were easy I'd be tempted myself. Just slap one onto my fem bod.

 

[Stella_Omega]

But would you have a massive slab of bar dick or a workaday seven inches?

Shit, if it were easy I'd be tempted myself. Just slap one onto my fem bod.

Seven inches. But beercan thick. Well, maybe not quite that thick.

Shit, if it were easy...

 

[MisterSir]

As far as I can tell, the only respondents to this thread who have offered opinions of whether they would accept the extreme makeover have been women.

Yo. First page. First reply, actually.

 

[Netzach]

Seven inches. But beercan thick. Well, maybe not quite that thick.

Shit, if it were easy...

Fuck, yum.
if it were easy I'd be heading over to your place about ...now.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Fuck, yum.
if it were easy I'd be heading over to your place about ...now.

I was just thinking along those lines. Quelle coincidence, huh?

'Course that's one good thing about silicone...
sadly, there's some nerve endings missing in the stuff.

 

[Keroin]

If you want to look at damage caused by marketing how about we hold some fire to the feet of the banking and real estate industries instead - because male and female everyone was REALLY happy to buy a pig in a poke based on fantasies of what life *should* be like.

Can someone point me to the marxist industry that is not about making money?

If you think I'm retarded enough that in being open to having work done it's in an effort to look more like a photo of someone else in an ad then I guess you are welcome to think I'm an idiot.

My mother had something done. A rhinoplasty. The job was gorgeous proportional and you'd never know she had one - she did not get a generic button nose out of it. Not every surgery is done in an effort to look like the boring beauty standard as much as possible. Not everyone who does elect for something is in the throes of "I'm not good enough." Maybe they're just fucking fed up with one more comment.

I'm not suggesting anyone is a fucking idiot nor that everyone who has work done is doing so because they want to look like the flavour of the moment. What I am suggesting is that the pressure to be whatever version of beautiful is appropriate, is enormous and insidious. I know that when I look at the pictures of "beautiful" women that I am regularly bombarded with my gut responds with a solid kick of inadequacy.

I was immersed in an industry that propagated this.

Ultimately women have to do what's right for them, what makes them feel good but I seriously question if *the majority of them* would choose surgery if it weren't for outside expectations...or their belief in the existence of those expectations.

ETA: I will be beautiful on my terms. The beauty industry can go fuck itself.

 

[Netzach]

I was just thinking along those lines. Quelle coincidence, huh?

'Course that's one good thing about silicone...
sadly, there's some nerve endings missing in the stuff.

I find the fact that you can put it in the dishwasher small consolation.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I find the fact that you can put it in the dishwasher small consolation.

Exactly...

 

[midwestyankee]

Yo. First page. First reply, actually.

Sorry I missed your post but I hope you understand my larger point: the vast majority of the thread has been of, by, and for women.

Now, since I raised a question about men, how's about an answer?

 

[Netzach]

I'm not suggesting anyone is a fucking idiot nor that everyone who has work done is doing so because they want to look like the flavour of the moment. What I am suggesting is that the pressure to be whatever version of beautiful is appropriate, is enormous and insidious. I know that when I look at the pictures of "beautiful" women that I am regularly bombarded with my gut responds with a solid kick of inadequacy.

I was immersed in an industry that propagated this.

Ultimately women have to do what's right for them, what makes them feel good but I seriously question if *the majority of them* would choose surgery if it weren't for outside expectations...or their belief in the existence of those expectations.

ETA: I will be beautiful on my terms. The beauty industry can go fuck itself.

Hollywood is fucked. Cosmetic surgery is a demented hydra arm of capitalism, but it's all insecurity based out there.

What if your own terms began to veer radically away from themselves, K? You're a naturally attractive woman. I consider myself to be as well, however I mean I really relate to what rida said, because I've had the experience of morphing at a much faster rate than just aging. Of looking in the mirror and going "well that's not "me." I mean maybe you're different and you'd accept and absorb it all as "you" and that's great. I know that there's things I can't. Maybe age won't be an issue because it takes a hell of a long time. I mean I definitely don't give a rat's ass about my "fine lines" at this moment - but we have things that we visually see as "us" and things that don't fit that.

Until that happened to me I would have been as completely "surgery do not want, lame."

You've probably had a good whack in the orbital or on the lip in the course of your career and looked in the mirror and forgotten for a second and everything was "off." It's a feeling like that, but on a more troubling level, assuming you're at a point where you know your injuries aren't going to show in any way permanently and you have six weeks to go.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense.

 

[graceanne]

chest 36, waist 27, hips 37, height 5'7", weight 125 - 130lbs, inseam 31, shoe size 7 1/2, hat size 7...that's me. The measurements fluctuate slightly but not much.

See, you're perfect! You're hourglass shaped, even if it's not a extreme, you have breasts, but they aren't too big for your frame (and we've seen them - you have nothing to complain of when it comes to your boobs), you slim but not skinny . . . Plus you're tall (comparatively - I'm 5' tall) blonde and gorgeous. If you wanted anything done to you I might have email you a smack.

 

[graceanne]

In regards to the whole 'being like society wants you to be thing' I'd think that people should have the right to do what makes them happy; whether it's plastic surgery. No one else can know what will make another person happy but that person, and whether someone wants plastic surgery or not is no one's business but theirs and their loved ones.

 

[graceanne]

Hollywood is fucked. Cosmetic surgery is a demented hydra arm of capitalism, but it's all insecurity based out there.

What if your own terms began to veer radically away from themselves, K? You're a naturally attractive woman. I consider myself to be as well, however I mean I really relate to what rida said, because I've had the experience of morphing at a much faster rate than just aging. Of looking in the mirror and going "well that's not "me." I mean maybe you're different and you'd accept and absorb it all as "you" and that's great. I know that there's things I can't. Maybe age won't be an issue because it takes a hell of a long time. I mean I definitely don't give a rat's ass about my "fine lines" at this moment - but we have things that we visually see as "us" and things that don't fit that.

Until that happened to me I would have been as completely "surgery do not want, lame."

You've probably had a good whack in the orbital or on the lip in the course of your career and looked in the mirror and forgotten for a second and everything was "off." It's a feeling like that, but on a more troubling level, assuming you're at a point where you know your injuries aren't going to show in any way permanently and you have six weeks to go.

I'm not sure if I'm making sense.

You are to me, but then I've done prednisone, too. You never forget when your cheeks are so swollen and big that you can't even push them in.

 

[satindesire]

It's MY face.

And it's just my face after all.

There's nothing wrong with your face. I've seen it. I think you're pretty.

while i certainly don't think that cosmetic plastic surgery is some kind of magic pill of confidence and happiness, i do believe that for some people, it can go a heck of a long way in furthering that cause.

This is SO true!

For example: Back before I went natural, my hair was a fried mess. I'm talking about bad. Frizzy, dull, dry, full of split ends. It felt like a broom and looked like it too. Now that I've started treating my hair better, it looks better. My confidence has increased a lot, because a part of my body that didn't look good, now does.

The way a woman looks CAN affect her confidence, simply because she's uncomfortable with it. No one -ever- said anything negative about my hair, but I felt it didn't look it's best. So my self esteem was lower because of it.

Outside of my teeth (They could use some fixing...too many fist fights when I was younger...) there is nothing I can think of. At damn near 38 and mother of 3, I am still a size 6, still 135, about 11% body fat, and curvy. My breasts do what they are supposed to and my face is cute enough to get hit on by guys 10 years my junior.

So yeah, just my teeth...but not on TV.

There isn't an inch of you I'm not in love with Luna.

Seven inches. But beercan thick. Well, maybe not quite that thick.

Shit, if it were easy...

*crosses legs* Ouch. Geeze.