No, it isn't. Nirvana is not the same thing as Paradise.
Faith is an evil thing
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OpenMindedMom_MCHL
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They are both the same destination in many ways. The road travelled is different.
OpenMindedMom_MCHL
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I did not mean to say they were the same, just similar.
"They are both the same destination in many ways".
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Faith is a fairy tale like Santa.
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What if you draw your last breath and wind up at the gates to paradise and God says, "have a seat... we need to talk". Do you ever consider that for even a second?
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My question stands...
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Faith is not an evil thing.
Evil is an evil thing. And many people try to disguise their evil behind faith or at least fake faith.
Unfortunately many people use faith to disguise their evil and many people believe that disguise. It's basically what has been fueling the GOP for fifty years now.
Evil is an evil thing. And many people try to disguise their evil behind faith or at least fake faith.
Unfortunately many people use faith to disguise their evil and many people believe that disguise. It's basically what has been fueling the GOP for fifty years now.
See post #16 -- it is EVIL, in and of itself, to believe without evidence.
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Blind faith will get you killed long before having no faith ever will
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Faith isn’t necessarily to believe without evidence. It is, however, believing without logically compelling evidence either for or against.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Faith
“”Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
—Mark Twain [2]
“”Faith is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking.
—Bill Maher
“”Faith means intense, usually confident, belief that is not based on evidence sufficient to command assent from every reasonable person.
—philosopher Walter Kaufmann[3]
"Faith" has several different meanings depending on the context in which it is used. In consequence, religious apologists can make use of equivocation as they switch between different meanings to defend their positions.
In broad terms, faith is just complete trust or confidence in someone or something. This can apply to many things, from romantic and business relationships to religious belief.
In a nonreligious context, to have faith in something is to believe that some idea is true. A person may have faith because of evidence for said idea or regardless of the evidence about said belief. If faith is taken to mean "without proof", many things are taken on faith — because strong, formal proof is really only applicable to mathematics, and nobody has the time, energy, capital, resources, or inclination to perform extensive research on absolutely everything.
In a religious context, to have faith is to believe that a god or a set of gods exist(s) and/or that the doctrines of a religion are correct. Again, a person may have faith because of evidence for said idea or regardless of the evidence about said belief.
Sometimes "have a little faith" is essentially saying "don't be so pessimistic", which may or may not be justified depending on the situation. "Faith in oneself", for example, could be defined as having a rational trust in one's abilities, without unjustifiably assuming they are useless. The key point is justification: when we exhort someone to "have faith in yourself", we do it because we believe there is good evidence they can trust, not in spite of there being none.
“”Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
—Mark Twain [2]
“”Faith is the purposeful suspension of critical thinking.
—Bill Maher
“”Faith means intense, usually confident, belief that is not based on evidence sufficient to command assent from every reasonable person.
—philosopher Walter Kaufmann[3]
"Faith" has several different meanings depending on the context in which it is used. In consequence, religious apologists can make use of equivocation as they switch between different meanings to defend their positions.
In broad terms, faith is just complete trust or confidence in someone or something. This can apply to many things, from romantic and business relationships to religious belief.
In a nonreligious context, to have faith in something is to believe that some idea is true. A person may have faith because of evidence for said idea or regardless of the evidence about said belief. If faith is taken to mean "without proof", many things are taken on faith — because strong, formal proof is really only applicable to mathematics, and nobody has the time, energy, capital, resources, or inclination to perform extensive research on absolutely everything.
In a religious context, to have faith is to believe that a god or a set of gods exist(s) and/or that the doctrines of a religion are correct. Again, a person may have faith because of evidence for said idea or regardless of the evidence about said belief.
Sometimes "have a little faith" is essentially saying "don't be so pessimistic", which may or may not be justified depending on the situation. "Faith in oneself", for example, could be defined as having a rational trust in one's abilities, without unjustifiably assuming they are useless. The key point is justification: when we exhort someone to "have faith in yourself", we do it because we believe there is good evidence they can trust, not in spite of there being none.
As a virtue
“”And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
—1 Corinthians 13:13[note 1]
“”Faith is powerful enough to immunize people against all appeals to pity, to forgiveness,[note 2] to decent human feelings. It even immunizes them against fear, if they honestly believe that a martyr’s death will send them straight to heaven.
—Richard Dawkins
“”Faith is the surrender of the mind; it’s the surrender of reason, it’s the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals. It’s our need to believe, and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated.
—Christopher Hitchens, Hitch 22
The word "faith" carries many positive implications of trust and loyalty, but in normal life, it's not taken to be an unbeatable virtue. Every (fully mature, mentally healthy) person has a limit to their trust and their loyalty. We warn children against untrustworthy people precisely because they don't know when it's appropriate to trust/have faith and when not to. We don't encourage them to believe that jumping out of trees or off of rooftops wearing Superman costumes is a good idea. Praising unquestioning faith — or unquestioning loyalty — in anything is objectively dangerous. Even in a traditionalist, hidebound society, normally the only entities who are upheld as deserving unquestioning loyalty are the highest authority figures and prestige institutions, not just ordinary people. And even in those cases, it's not in any sense justifiable. (As a common saying goes, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The problem is that people who claim that faith is a virtue in itself always want to make exceptions for things that it's not okay to have faith in — a Christian fundy is unlikely to praise devotion to Osama bin Laden, for example.
“”And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
—1 Corinthians 13:13[note 1]
“”Faith is powerful enough to immunize people against all appeals to pity, to forgiveness,[note 2] to decent human feelings. It even immunizes them against fear, if they honestly believe that a martyr’s death will send them straight to heaven.
—Richard Dawkins
“”Faith is the surrender of the mind; it’s the surrender of reason, it’s the surrender of the only thing that makes us different from other mammals. It’s our need to believe, and to surrender our skepticism and our reason, our yearning to discard that and put all our trust or faith in someone or something, that is the sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith must be the most overrated.
—Christopher Hitchens, Hitch 22
The word "faith" carries many positive implications of trust and loyalty, but in normal life, it's not taken to be an unbeatable virtue. Every (fully mature, mentally healthy) person has a limit to their trust and their loyalty. We warn children against untrustworthy people precisely because they don't know when it's appropriate to trust/have faith and when not to. We don't encourage them to believe that jumping out of trees or off of rooftops wearing Superman costumes is a good idea. Praising unquestioning faith — or unquestioning loyalty — in anything is objectively dangerous. Even in a traditionalist, hidebound society, normally the only entities who are upheld as deserving unquestioning loyalty are the highest authority figures and prestige institutions, not just ordinary people. And even in those cases, it's not in any sense justifiable. (As a common saying goes, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.) The problem is that people who claim that faith is a virtue in itself always want to make exceptions for things that it's not okay to have faith in — a Christian fundy is unlikely to praise devotion to Osama bin Laden, for example.
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Yeah I already read it. It's a nice theory. It's just not correct.
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STRONG
Good things do happen. No one will see it when it becomes real.
My own faith is the rock on which I stand.
You have the choice to live and believe as you see fit.
Choice.
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This is a dumb thread.
Evil is a religious perspective.
Without a religion, the word "evil" means nothing.
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I don't need a religion to see that someone willfully and joyfully hurting someone else is evil.
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Yes you do.
Evil.is based on religion.
No, evil is a moral concept, not a religious concept. It takes a religion to conceptualize evil as a basic cosmic force.
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