Female centric stories

[Statius]

There are significant, meaningful differences between what men and women like when we are talking about entertainment.
Unfortunately, this kind of discussion usually gets derailed by smooth brain thinking that can't understand outliers.
For example, if you take a simple statement "Men are taller than women".
That is 100% biologically accurate. The average American man is 5ft 9in, the average American woman is 5ft 4in tall, so a 5in average difference.
Even in areas where they select for height, men are taller on average. The average NBA Player is 6ft 7in, the average WNBA player is 6ft.
Then some smooth brain comes along and says, But, but... some women are taller than some men!!!!! Women aren't all some 5ft 4in homogenous group!!!! True statements, but they completely miss the point of the discussion. We are talking about trends within a group.

Similarly, look at the audience of a UFC fight and a Dog Show. One is overwhelmingly male, the other female. That doesn't mean some women don't like MMA and some guys don't like dog shows, but if you are going to write a story to appeal to a female audience, centering it around a dog show is probably your best bet.

Yeah. The hair splitting arguments to the Nth degree. Generalized statements are frowned upon.

 

[SmilingLez]

Yeah. The hair splitting arguments to the Nth degree. Generalized statements are frowned upon.

Unfortunately most of these threads are filled with generalized statements

 

[liliput1]

I do believe the female masterbation stat is probably correct. All of my lesbian friends as well as myself have never not had an orgasm with our partner, so we are batting 100%

I told some people recently that I think I see a fundamental fracture in how Lesbian and hetero people define the term 'my turn' that may account for some of the experiential differences. As an older man, who can't go three rounds without a 911 and/or a PT call, I think you guys have it the right way around. "My turn", at least in the fiction here, pretty consistently means, "I get to make you cum" not "you have to make me cum."

I have been, if anything, disappointed in partners' openness to let me just enjoy the show, so this isn't really an epiphany for me but it's a mentality shift that I want to think more about.

Who wants to skip their turn? That's just silly.

 

[SmilingLez]

I told some people recently that I think I see a fundamental fracture in how Lesbian and hetero people define the term 'my turn' that may account for some of the experiential differences. As an older man, who can't go three rounds without a 911 and/or a PT call, I think you guys have it the right way around. "My turn", at least in the fiction here, pretty consistently means, "I get to make you cum" not "you have to make me cum."

I have been, if anything, disappointed in partners' openness to let me just enjoy the show, so this isn't really an epiphany for me but it's a mentality shift that I want to think more about.

Who wants to skip their turn? That's just silly.

I don't think it's a my turn thing. From personal experience, I enjoy giving my GF pleasure, it's always been returned but I don't think it's a my turn thing (tit for tat). One of my flash fiction stories Her Orgasm is centered around that fact.

 

[lovecraft68]

Unfortunately most of these threads are filled with generalized statements

Isn't that a generalized statement in itself? heh...

 

[lovecraft68]

Jokes aside I try-not always succeed-to stay on the cliched but true path of just write whatever you want and see how it shakes out and even if the story flops in some way, you hopefully enjoyed writing it and learned something on top of it.

I always bring up Nike and to me the three simplest most powerful words in advertising.

Just do it.

Don't worry about what people here think or say just do your thing and do your best to do it well.

All these years here and I still refer to myself as a story telling hack. The super smart folks can talk about all the rules and techniques and can and can't. I'm just going to tell my next story.

 

[SmilingLez]

Isn't that a generalized statement in itself? heh...

Had to prove my point

 

[GuiltyCowboy]

And most of them know it's BS, so it's all performative.

"We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

I for one would like to see a vast totalitarian empire run by a bunch of gobby gay women.

YMMV, as they say.

 

[Mastered_again]

Probably submissive straight women are the worst off when it comes to orgasms

Strictly speaking for myself alone, not my experience, he wants me exhausted from multiple orgasms, with a few of his along the way.
Maybe we're not hard-core enough as it's more role playing than anything.

 

[SmilingLez]

Strictly speaking for myself alone, not my experience, he wants me exhausted from multiple orgasms, with a few of his along the way.
Maybe we're not hard-core enough as it's more role playing than anything.

When there is a sexual component attached, I could see that. Edging, denying, ruining, allowing and over stim. Would make anyone exhausted

 

[Kumquatqueen]

... If the author writes about two human beings who act like human beings, it is necessarily human-centric, and if any female is included, it will also be female-centric. Treat your characters like human beings.

That sounds disturbingly like Granny Weatherwax explaining that all the problems of the world start by treating people as things instead of as people.

She's not wrong, just I don't like to think of her discovering Lit.

Nanny Ogg, on the other hand, probably has a bunch of stories here already.

 

[SmilingLez]

For me, the best stories are primarily about two human beings. Secondly, these two human beings are female and/or male (cis and/or trans) and/or non-binary. If the author writes about two human beings who act like human beings, it is necessarily human-centric, and if any female is included, it will also be female-centric. Treat your characters like human beings.

Disagree, based on the definition of centric - placed in the center or middle; central; situated at or near a center.

If a female is a secondary character in a story, the story is not female centric. Same applies to a male and/or a non-binary person.

As always, this is my opinion. YMMV

 

[anthrodisiac]

The main problem is that there's not really an agreed-upon definition of "female-centric," so these conversations include a lot of cross-talk and aren't grounded in a shared understanding of what exactly is being disucssed, like I said previously. There are many ways to interpret "female-centric" and what stories count as such. Hard to argue the merits when the target is in 20 different places.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Women only reach climax 18.4% of the time on average? Wow. I need to be more appreciative of my men. They get me off more than that.

Women only reach climax 18.4% of the time when fucked by a anthropological researcher.

 

[Ianus4]

Disagree, based on the definition of centric - placed in the center or middle; central; situated at or near a center.

If a female is a secondary character in a story, the story is not female centric. Same applies to a male and/or a non-binary person.

As always, this is my opinion. YMMV

Why should a single person be placed at the center?
Why should any of them be relegated to a secondary role?

 

[lovecraft68]

Why should a single person be placed at the center?
Why should any of them be relegated to a secondary role?

Depends on the style of story but many stories here are simple with the MC usually being whoever the POV is from and then a second character who is usually their interest. Because people are getting most of the story from the MC the story becomes centric to them, this includes if there are a couple more characters with very small parts.

 

[SmilingLez]

Why should a single person be placed at the center?
Why should any of them be relegated to a secondary role?

That's the entire premise of this thread female centric stories.

 

[Bramblethorn]

In most cases, I would agree with your point. For instance, I would say about myself, that although I write many stories from the woman's POV, because I personally find that POV more interesting and erotic than the male POV, if the reader didn't know my gender, most astute readers would guess that I am male, because I write for myself as a reader. There's a fair amount of visual emphasis and male gaze in my stories, because, frankly, that turns me on, and I think those elements would give me away.


But that doesn't mean I COULDN'T write a story that was more "female centric," and I imagine that many skilled male authors, if they tried, could succeed in writing stories that would fool many female readers as to their true gender.

But, as I said, this is pretty much guesswork. We don't know without a test.

I'm counting on @Bramblethorn at this point to step in with references to several studies that have been done on this subject.

I don't know of anything quite matching that, though I haven't looked very hard.

There's a bit out there on automated recognition of an author's gender from what they write, e.g.:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1742287611000247
https://neurosciencenews.com/ann-ge...neuroscience-news+(Neuroscience+News+Updates)

Those pieces claim accuracy up to about 85%; AFAICT those results are based on cases where the author wasn't trying to hide their gender. With some of the data I'd guess there would be contextual clues; for instance, some of the work is based on Enron emails (I'd guess just because it's a large, publicly available and well-documented data set) and what people are discussing in those emails is going to relate to their jobs, which are probably going to correlate with gender.

The kind of study you're talking about would be harder to do, since it probably requires getting authors to write samples for the sake of the study which means more expense and smaller samples than just chucking in publicly available material.

But if those machine-learning results are anything to go by, then there's at least a 15% error rate for authors who aren't trying to conceal gender.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I don't know of anything quite matching that, though I haven't looked very hard.

There's a bit out there on automated recognition of an author's gender from what they write, e.g.:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1742287611000247
https://neurosciencenews.com/ann-gender-id-8904/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+neuroscience-rss-feeds-neuroscience-news+(Neuroscience+News+Updates)

Those pieces claim accuracy up to about 85%; AFAICT those results are based on cases where the author wasn't trying to hide their gender. With some of the data I'd guess there would be contextual clues; for instance, some of the work is based on Enron emails (I'd guess just because it's a large, publicly available and well-documented data set) and what people are discussing in those emails is going to relate to their jobs, which are probably going to correlate with gender.

The kind of study you're talking about would be harder to do, since it probably requires getting authors to write samples for the sake of the study which means more expense and smaller samples than just chucking in publicly available material.

But if those machine-learning results are anything to go by, then there's at least a 15% error rate for authors who aren't trying to conceal gender.

I suspect the gender detector will be about as accurate as the AI detectors.

 

[SmilingLez]

I suspect the gender detector will be about as accurate as the AI detectors.

I am sure the daily horoscopes are more accurate than AI in general

 

[Annabelle1990]

Women only reach climax 18.4% of the time when fucked by a anthropological researcher.

I am glad I am not married to one.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I am glad I am not married to one.

I have a minor in anthropology

 

[Annabelle1990]

Mark and I met in college. He has a bachelor's in IT. I have a bachelor's in finance.

I have a minor in anthropology

Mark and I met in college. He has a bachelor's in IT. I have a bachelor's in finance.

But that's funny. I should have specified that it is only a problem when men have that degree!

 

[EmilyMiller]

But that's funny. I should have specified that it is only a problem when men have that degree!

My other minor is Chemistry. My major (and M.S.) are in Biology

 

[MK_Whimsy]

I made my monsterfucking Sphinx and Mouse stories female/female. A major reason was because I wanted to create some distance between myself and the characters. As a guy, I couldn't help but think that making them male/female (I wanted the female Greek version of the Sphinx) would have made it feel more personal, like I was inserting myself into the stories.

Also, I felt that it would be an ambitious thing to try to do. I liked the challenge involved. It was a departure from what I had written up to then and the only female/female stories I have attempted.

Look, I'm not necessarily saying I did it well, I'm just sharing the rationale behind it.