Ferguson Neverending

[BotanyBoy]

Why are our cops so afraid of the people in their own communities?

How DARE you ask something so crazy......Commie Kenyans are trying to assassinate grandma and ISIS is EVERYWHERE!!

It's a hard knocks life livin' on the beat.....

http://33.media.tumblr.com/0d9b296732eeab6a02a380aea21c7a7a/tumblr_mo36r3gQ9L1qiqy3eo1_500.gif

Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.....*spits* Al Queda could strike again at any second.

 

[rippitydoo]

How DARE you ask something so crazy......Al Queda could strike again at any second.

If they do, I'll be sending out party invitations. Right now would be good timing for anyone outside the country to strike in the US, when we've all been given reasons aplenty to be more afraid of Al Average.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

EXTENDED VIDEO Tamir Rice shooting incident

on YouTube

Mutherfuckers! Everything is on that video clip.

Tamir case, this week.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

‏@MichaelSkolnik May 23

Were there any independent witnesses who heard the car “backfiring?” Or was that story from the cops?

#BreloVerdict

 

[JackLuis]

‏@MichaelSkolnik May 23

Were there any independent witnesses who heard the car “backfiring?” Or was that story from the cops?

#BreloVerdict

When was the last time you heard a 'car backfire'?

I had a '48 Studebaker that did it occasionally, but only when I messed up the timing.

Switching the ignition off and on can cause it, but very few people do that.

Besides major caliber hand guns sound different than a car backfire, as anyone who has spent time at the range can tell you.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I guess it doesn't take much to scare the bejesus out of a cop.



Why are our cops so afraid of the people in their own communities?

Because cops get murdered too, or don't you read those news items?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Murdered_American_police_officers

This is more comprehensive: http://rt.com/usa/257617-police-officers-killed-fbi-report/

 

[Beco]

When was the last time you heard a 'car backfire'?

I had a '48 Studebaker that did it occasionally, but only when I messed up the timing.

Switching the ignition off and on can cause it, but very few people do that.

Besides major caliber hand guns sound different than a car backfire, as anyone who has spent time at the range can tell you.

My thoughts exactly, cars today, do not backfire.....

Im guessing that the 100 mile an hour car chase set off the cops, when they finally caught up to them, they just unloaded 49 shots....or was it 42 shots? One cop actually got on the hood of the car and fired shots at them....something aint right there

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Tamir Rice

May 15, 2015

The sheriff's investigation is expected to conclude in the coming weeks, an official familiar with the work confirmed. In the meantime, Rice's grieving family members felt they could no longer wait for closure. They'd been paying to preserve the boy's body, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday, waiting until the legal investigation was complete, in case an additional medical examination was needed. Late last week the family decided to cremate Rice, the family's attorney told the Post. "What everyone needs to understand is that Samaria Rice is a mother first," the attorney said. "Whether in life or death, her instinct is to take care of her child. Him not being put to final rest was just physically, emotionally, psychologically unsettling to her."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/tamir-rice-investigation-cleveland-police

May 21, 2015


The attorney for the family of Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy holding a pellet gun who was fatally shot by a rookie Cleveland patrolman, says he understood the judge’s legal analysis in acquitting patrolman Michael Brelo, but wondered if prosecutors could have better served justice by pursuing a charge other than voluntary manslaughter. Walter Madison also said Sunday that he would prefer that an independent prosecutor instead of the Cuyahoga County prosecutor’s office review an investigation into Tamir’s death.

http://www.ohio.com/news/break-news...ir-rice-family-lawyer-pans-case-plan-1.594470

Tamir Rice’s body was kept for months in storage for the investigation before his family ultimately decided to cremate.

His mother, Samaria Rice, moved into a homeless shelter temporarily after the shooting.

The investigation is still pending, and there is no telling if the officers will be criminally charged.

(Tamir's murderers- Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback)

the root.com

http://alldigitocracy.org/why-nprs-erroneous-report-on-possible-cleveland-riot-matters/


Slant on the Tamir Rice protests via NPR

Cleveland City Councilman Kevin Conwell said other journalists picked up the story without first checking it out.

One meeting drew reporter Brian Bull, who was filing a story for NPR’s “Morning Edition.”

A transcript of the raw tape provided by NPR relays the exchange between Bull and Conwell. In it Conwell states that he plans to “ride” the neighborhood for three days following the verdict.

But Bull heard the word “riot” as his follow-up questions clearly show.

Bull: “He’s acquited (cq) and you’re telling me that you’re prepared to riot?”
Conwell: “Oh, I have to ride. I have to ride. I have to show leadership. And I’ll be out there riding all the time. Seeing what’s going on. Riding the streets. …
Bull: “When you say rioting, I usually think of screaming, chaos, everything from vandalism to fires to arrests being made. Is this the kind of rioting you’re speaking of?”
Conwell: “If that happens. We want to do prevention. We don’t want it to happen at all. … People need resources and opportunities … We don’t want to have the rioting to happen in the city of Cleveland. We don’t need to have that happen at all.”
Bull: “So when I hear you say rioting, that’s controlled riots — an organized rally perhaps to express anger if he’s acquitted. Is that fair to say?”
Conwell: “That is fair to say, you’re right.”

Even when the term “riots” does not make logical sense in the exchange, Bull still hears it. Why?

Reporter Brian Bull thought he heard "riot" when Councilman Kevin Conwell actually said "riding."

Mark Memmott, NPR’s editor for standards and practices, admitted he didn’t know how the error occurred. “I can’t explain in the end, why it happened other than just a complete misunderstanding,” he said.

 

[JackLuis]

Because cops get murdered too, or don't you read those news items?

This is more comprehensive: http://rt.com/usa/257617-police-officers-killed-fbi-report/

The FBI said statistics from 1980-2014 show an average of 64 law enforcement officers are killed criminally per year. Last year’s 27 deaths marked the lowest record during a 35-year period.

So 64 divided by (? #Police)= .00X%

How many civilians were killed by cops? More than 640 I'll bet, so they have a >10:1 lead.

 

[rippitydoo]

I guess it doesn't take much to scare the bejesus out of a cop.



Why are our cops so afraid of the people in their own communities?

B/c much the same way we assume they'll do their jobs & protect us from crime/harm, they assume everyone else is like them, carrying an unregistered weapon & planning to use it improperly.

 

[Boxlicker101]

So 64 divided by (? #Police)= .00X%

How many civilians were killed by cops? More than 640 I'll bet, so they have a >10:1 lead.

But there are far more than 10 times as many civilians as there are cops. So, individual cops are much more likely to be murdered by civilians than vice-versa.

ETA: Here is some detail of killings by police, but the total might be low, and it includes justifiable homicides, such as that of Mike Brown.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Somebody said they had receipts, but I don't see them.

http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2014/07/85885-Stephen-Colbert-eyebrows-shrug-yBHa.gif

 

[JackLuis]

18 shot this weekend in Baltimore

Thirty-three people have been killed so far in May, the first time the city has had 30 homicides in a month since June 2007. No month in the last 15 years has had more than 33 killings.

If the cops crack down, it just exacerbates the crazy, but if they don't do something....?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Thirty-three people have been killed so far in May, the first time the city has had 30 homicides in a month since June 2007. No month in the last 15 years has had more than 33 killings.

If the cops crack down, it just exacerbates the crazy, but if they don't do something....?

That's 18 shootings, not 18 deaths. How many of those were by cops and how many were by others? If you just abandon the city to the hoodlums, you get a lot more crime, including murders.

 

[rippitydoo]

But there are far more than 10 times as many civilians as there are cops. So, individual cops are much more likely to be murdered by civilians than vice-versa.

I would have that same reaction, if that were anywhere near true. However, in my experience, the majority of people have enough "common sense" (I hate using that term) or intelligence to not go off randomly killing someone. (Seems a bit ironic that the same "sense"/intelligence would probably be what that same average person told them to not expect it if they ended-up being a witness to a cop murdering someone.)

 

[Boxlicker101]

I would have that same reaction, if that were anywhere near true. However, in my experience, the majority of people have enough "common sense" (I hate using that term) or intelligence to not go off randomly killing someone. (Seems a bit ironic that the same "sense"/intelligence would probably be what that same average person told them to not expect it if they ended-up being a witness to a cop murdering someone.)

Of course. The vast majority of people will not go around killing cops, just as the vast majority will never be at more than minimal risk of being killed by cops. However, there are more armed and violent criminals around than there are armed cops, and some of them are notorious cop-haters.

 

[rippitydoo]

Of course. The vast majority of people will not go around killing cops, just as the vast majority will never be at more than minimal risk of being killed by cops.

I would have agreed with you a few years ago. However, I am close enough to Cleveland it is where I go for many concerts & sporting events, so I see what is going on there on the front of the paper daily. Also, we once had an NBA coach here named Mike Brown, which is what led me to search that name on Twitter one night, & I can't get away from it online since.

However, there are more armed and violent criminals around than there are armed cops, and some of them are notorious cop-haters.

The second part of that is as much true as the first part is BS. If I were a criminal type, I could perhaps steal something from some place or injure someone with no weapon ever touching my anatomy. However, nearly every cop I see in the area has a gun, & the ability as well as allowance to use it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I would have agreed with you a few years ago. However, I am close enough to Cleveland it is where I go for many concerts & sporting events, so I see what is going on there on the front of the paper daily. Also, we once had an NBA coach here named Mike Brown, which is what led me to search that name on Twitter one night, & I can't get away from it online since.

You read about criminals. Do you ever read about ordinary citizens who go to work every day, pay their taxes and generally are good citizens? Of course you don't, because those people, the vast majority of the population, do nothing to be reported in the paper. If 1,000 Clevelanders commit a violent crime one day, that means 800 times that many do not commit a violent crime.

The second part of that is as much true as the first part is BS. If I were a criminal type, I could perhaps steal something from some place or injure someone with no weapon ever touching my anatomy. However, nearly every cop I see in the area has a gun, & the ability as well as allowance to use it.

Here are some statistics on violent crime in the US in a recent year. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...olent-crime-topic-page/violentcrimemain_final

Keep in mind that "armed" does not necessarily mean packing a gun. It could be a switchblade knife such as the one in the pocket of Freddie Grey.

 

[rippitydoo]

You read about criminals. Do you ever read about ordinary citizens who go to work every day, pay their taxes and generally are good citizens? Of course you don't, because those people, the vast majority of the population, do nothing to be reported in the paper. If 1,000 Clevelanders commit a violent crime one day, that means 800 times that many do not commit a violent crime.

Actually, I read about neither by choice... And I do so less each week since I am increasingly-well-aware one need not even be attempting to commit any sort of violent act or crime to have an increasing chance of being fatally shot by a police officer.

Also, as Barnum is famously credited with saying, there's one born every minute. So while many jailed or deceased criminals are repeat offenders, there could be someone committing a crime every day that has never done so before.

Here are some statistics on violent crime in the US in a recent year. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...olent-crime-topic-page/violentcrimemain_final

Keep in mind that "armed" does not necessarily mean packing a gun. It could be a switchblade knife such as the one in the pocket of Freddie Grey.

SYS: Save Your Stats. Also, keep in mind that indicted/found guilty/jailed does not mean guilty, nor does killed by a police officer necessarily mean guilty (or even potentially so) of anything. Also keep in mind what's in the pocket of most of those people now: Dirt... Because, whether they were guilty of anything or not, the same cops I expect to protect me when I'm offline in the afternoons killed them.

 

[JackLuis]

56 reported shot over Memorial Day weekend in Chicago

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel and police have previously called gun violence the city’s “most urgent problem.” Though murder and crime rates are down, city officials have said, the flow of illegal guns is high and the consequences are catastrophic. There are more murders in Chicago than in New York City and Los Angeles, and in 2012 police recovered more guns there (7,624) than in both of those other cities combined. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives added agents to its force in Chicago last year, and the agency has traced almost all seized guns to retail stores, suggesting “illegal diversion or criminal intent associated with the retail purchase,” according to the mayor’s office.

I guess you don't need cops to add to the carnage?

 

[Beco]

I guess you don't need cops to add to the carnage?

You think they are pissed about the deep dish pizza?

 

[rippitydoo]

I guess you don't need cops to add to the carnage?

You never did. However, you used to be able to count on them to lessen it, not be the ones to cause it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You never did. However, you used to be able to count on them to lessen it, not be the ones to cause it.

Oh, c'mon. You can't really believe the cops cause violent crime.

 

[rippitydoo]

Oh, c'mon. You can't really believe the cops cause violent crime.

Not to quote Clinton here, but it depends on your definition... Is it causing the crime if the crime is a murder & you're the won that pulled the trigger?!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not to quote Clinton here, but it depends on your definition... Is it causing the crime if the crime is a murder & you're the won that pulled the trigger?!

He gota point box....that is preeeety broad wording.

Maybe you mean't "committing violent crimes" ???

As we all know causes and effects in any given social setting can be VERY complex, counterintuitive and largely misunderstood.

Cops cause all kinds of shit just by their presence and never doing anything wrong by any measure. For example...everyone slows down on the highway to 5 under.....except that one asshole who didn't see the cop because 90 in a 55 LOL.

It's a rather irrefutable fact that a uniform in sight absolutely changes the behavior of people. Deadly riots have been triggered just by popo presence on live fuckin TV what, at least a 1/2 dozen times in the past decade?

So yea it can be reasonably argued that COPS in certain situations do cause violent crimes......