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[Boxlicker101]

He gota point box....that is preeeety broad wording.

Maybe you mean't "committing violent crimes" ???

As we all know causes and effects in any given social setting can be VERY complex, counterintuitive and largely misunderstood.

Cops cause all kinds of shit just by their presence and never doing anything wrong by any measure. For example...everyone slows down on the highway to 5 under.....except that one asshole who didn't see the cop because 90 in a 55 LOL.

It's a rather irrefutable fact that a uniform in sight absolutely changes the behavior of people. Deadly riots have been triggered just by popo presence on live fuckin TV what, at least a 1/2 dozen times in the past decade?

So yea it can be reasonably argued that COPS in certain situations do cause violent crimes......

I mostly disagree with you, although I know cops do commit crimes, even violent crimes. However, I do not believe they cause others to commit violent crimes. As a sort of example, if a woman is cooking breakfast and burns the toast and her husband beats her up, can he claim it is her fault that he committed violence? If a woman is wearing a low cut blouse and she gets raped, is it her fault she was raped? No and No. The fault lies with the person who commits the act of violence.

Likewise, if a cop appears at the scene of a riot and somebody sees him and becomes infuriated he throws a Molotov cocktail through a store window, did the cop cause him to do that? No! the person who committed the violent act is responsible for doing it.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[Sean Renaud]

I mostly disagree with you, although I know cops do commit crimes, even violent crimes. However, I do not believe they cause others to commit violent crimes. As a sort of example, if a woman is cooking breakfast and burns the toast and her husband beats her up, can he claim it is her fault that he committed violence? If a woman is wearing a low cut blouse and she gets raped, is it her fault she was raped? No and No. The fault lies with the person who commits the act of violence.

Likewise, if a cop appears at the scene of a riot and somebody sees him and becomes infuriated he throws a Molotov cocktail through a store window, did the cop cause him to do that? No! the person who committed the violent act is responsible for doing it.

At some very real point you have to start being very specific about what the definition of cause is. In a lot of minority neighborhoods the police aren't called for a variety of reasons. I'm not saying being an illegal alien is good or okay but there are worse things in the world but if I was an illegal no way in hell do I call the cops for anything shy of attempted murder for obvious reasons. When you have entire neighborhoods that won't call the police stuff you definitely create an environment where crime can thrive.

We can pretend that it's not the "cause" of the crime. To your example of the Molotov that's an oddly specific crime. However I don't live in a police state. . .well I do but we can mostly pretend we don't. If I'm peacefully gathering the cops have no business being there.

 

[Iceprincess12]

At some very real point you have to start being very specific about what the definition of cause is. In a lot of minority neighborhoods the police aren't called for a variety of reasons. I'm not saying being an illegal alien is good or okay but there are worse things in the world but if I was an illegal no way in hell do I call the cops for anything shy of attempted murder for obvious reasons. When you have entire neighborhoods that won't call the police stuff you definitely create an environment where crime can thrive.

We can pretend that it's not the "cause" of the crime. To your example of the Molotov that's an oddly specific crime. However I don't live in a police state. . .well I do but we can mostly pretend we don't. If I'm peacefully gathering the cops have no business being there.

I love Sean...




Hannity
Happy Friday.

 

[TheFallenSaint]

Not to quote Clinton here, but it depends on your definition... Is it causing the crime if the crime is a murder & you're the won that pulled the trigger?!

Ok, I have some issue with this statement:

1: Its spelled "one" not "won" in this instance. Nobody is "Winning" so it can't be "Won"

2: Are you saying that every time a cop pulls the trigger is is immediately murder? I will give you that there are some instances were cops have abused their position and fired when it wasn't needed. But that doesn't mean that every instance of a cop shooting someone is murder.

3:You quoted Clinton? if you are going to go that route then the only appropriate quote from any Clinton should be: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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Perfect.

 

[MrBates2]

by Brooke Bosca | Top Right News

The City of Baltimore has done a preliminary cost analysis of the recent riots and calculated that the damage amounts to at least $20 million.

As TRN reported during the mayhem, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake admitted in a press conference that she gave instructions for police to give “those who wished to destroy” the “space” to do so…

And destroy they did.

Dozens of storefronts were smashed, hundreds of cars vandalized and countless businesses looted. In addition, 159 fires were set, destroying dozens of buildings, including a home for senior citizens.

She reaped what she sowed. So now guess who she wants to pay for it.

YOU!

That’s right. The city wants to send the bill to FEMA and have all the rest of us pay their bill.

But tucked into the Baltimore Sun story is this…

Henry J. Raymond, Baltimore’s finance director, said the city can temporarily cover the costs from its rainy day fund while seeking reimbursement for up to 75 percent from Federal Emergency Management Agency.

“The city remains on strong financial footing,” Raymond said. “Hopefully, with the FEMA reimbursement, it will reduce the financial stress that we’re under. In terms of the city’s overall revenue structure, we’re on firm footing and we’ll move forward.”

Both Gov. Larry Hogan and Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake have requested federal aid.

FEMA? Huh? This wasn’t a flood, hurricane or tornado. It was a self-immolating race riot.

Get that, America? Baltimore wants YOU to pay for its riots.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Baltimore, Martin Omalley's vision for America

 

[BotanyBoy]

However, I do not believe they cause others to commit violent crimes.

Edit: got the end of my rant and decided to just cut and get to the point.

So tell us box....if de Po-Po don't and are incapable of effecting other peoples behavior in any way shape form or fashion as they are the most neutral and unobtrusive social force known, what the fuck are we paying them for?

 

[DooleyDarter]

So you're just going to ignore all of human behavior......watch it fucking happen LIVE on god damn TV but live in total denial of reality.....because police state dick sucker.

Cool.....at least I know where the fuck you stand

Either that or you're to fuckin' stupid to understand what the fuckin' word cause means or how cause and effect work in a variety of social situations. So maybe it's best you stick with your "Cops are incapable of either doing or causing or in any way shape or form part of anything I don't like.....police simply do NOT effect other peoples behavior around them in any way at ALL~!!!" delusions.

So tell us box....if de Po-Po don't and are incapable of effecting other peoples behavior, what the fuck are we paying them for?

Somebody has direct traffic at construction sites.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Somebody has direct traffic at construction sites.

Nope...that's directly causing a change in human behavior, Box says cops don't do that.

Try again...

 

[DooleyDarter]

Nope...that's directly causing a change in human behavior, Box says cops don't do that.

Try again...

Driving serpentine though cones can hardly be called a change in human behavior. Now, if the cop made you suck your buddies dick while driving serpentine through cones, and you are not predisposed to honking dork, then that would be a change in human behavior.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Only if we're getting way over technical. If you do something at gun point they aren't effecting your behavior. They are forcing you to act a certain way which is technically worlds apart.

Police by their very nature effect behavior, as Bot mentions people drive slower when they see them. They generally will stop whatever crime they happen to be commiting (if they are aware they are commiting a crime in the first place). It's a great way to break up fights. In neighborhoods where the police are trusted and are a constant presence people feel safer. Where I live you can almost draw a line down the city. On one side a woman would only be worried about walking home in the nude because SHE might get arrested. The toughest gang we have out here are the Girl Scouts of America (trust me they will get that cookie money and hustle a street corner like nobody's business) and on the other side I wouldn't walk home with four of my best friends in full body armor with air support. (how it is that criminals won't cross one specific street is beyond me. I think it's magic. Like if they cross the street they become Girl Scouts.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Driving serpentine though cones can hardly be called a change in human behavior. Now, if the cop made you suck your buddies dick while driving serpentine through cones, and you are not predisposed to honking dork, then that would be a change in human behavior.

You're bullshitting like box now......totally ignoring the fact that a cop just existing in sight changes everyone's behavior.

Do people drive slower and come to complete stops when that black and white is in their mirrors or do they speed, run lights and do rolling stops all the fucking time in roadways across america?

 

[Beco]

Baltimore, Martin Omalley's vision for America

High crime, riots, treat the poor badly, and drug use. MD has a massive smack problem

 

[rippitydoo]

Ok, I have some issue with this statement:

2: Are you saying that every time a cop pulls the trigger is is immediately murder? I will give you that there are some instances were cops have abused their position and fired when it wasn't needed. But that doesn't mean that every instance of a cop shooting someone is murder.

3:You quoted Clinton? if you are going to go that route then the only appropriate quote from any Clinton should be: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

*It's spelled "where", not "were"... If you want to correct my spelling mistakes, feel free, but expect it back. Also, I know not all shooting is murder, but that's why charges exist like "assault"/"battery" & "attempted murder"... Once you (cop or average person) shoot someone, you can't control if it's an injury or fatal. However, either way, you are guilty, & one of these oft-occurring acquittals should not be an option.

* There is no question what quotes from Clinton are or are not appropriate, especially not as long as it is possible for Jeb or Hillary to run for President, but not for Bill to resume the job.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Twenty-seven-year-old Anthony Hill was an Air Force veteran in the Iraq War and an extremely talented musician.


Dekalb County police officer responded to a caller who said a man was "acting deranged, knocking on doors, and crawling around on the ground naked," on Monday around 1 p.m. local time, county police chief Cedric Alexander told reporters.

The officer encountered the man, who was not wearing any clothes, in the parking lot, Alexander said at a conference published online by local broadcaster Fox5.

Alexander said the man ran at the officer, who backed up and ordered the person to stop before shooting him.


Alexander said the officer, who had been with the department for seven years, was equipped with a taser at the time of the shooting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/10/anthony-hill-unarmed-police-shooting_n_6837538.html


Anthony Hill’s partner, Bridget Anderson, described how the first time she meet him it was love at first sight.

"After endless text conversations and late night phone calls, we finally met. I can honestly say that it was love at first sight."

http://www.riseupga.org/anthonyhill


On Saturday, May 02, 2015, a symbolic funeral procession, for Black people killed by police, started in Atlanta’s West End neighborhood, wound through downtown Atlanta, and ended nine miles later at Oakhurst Baptist Church in Decatur.

Lots of questions still swirl around seventeen year-old Kendrick Johnson’s controversial and mysterious death in Valdosta, Georgia. He was found dead rolled up in a gym map. The official story is that he fell head first into the mat and died.


“Kendrick was missing every major organ in his body, brain, heart, lungs, tongue, and windpipe were removed. He was not an organ donor. Some feel organs were removed in order to not prove the actual cause of death,” Coleman said. “Johnson’s clothes, that he was wearing that day, are also missing.”

http://atlantaprogressivenews.com/2...ld-for-victims-of-police-killings-in-georgia/

 

[Sean Renaud]

Eh not all police shootings are created equal. Assuming the first story is true and the man was charging at him while naked I can't pretend that I might not shoot you. Though we should probably train cops to go for the tazer first and get them better training with it. And you can always call for back up. Where I live they aren't shy about calling for back up like at all. I've seen what must have been every car in the immediate area turn out for DUIs. And I don't meal REAL DUI's. I mean those times when someone passed out in the car in front of their house drunk but at least in California if you have the keys to the car and your in your car either in the driver's seat or alone it's a DUI.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Edit: got the end of my rant and decided to just cut and get to the point.

So tell us box....if de Po-Po don't and are incapable of effecting other peoples behavior in any way shape form or fashion as they are the most neutral and unobtrusive social force known, what the fuck are we paying them for?

Obviously, the cops affect (not effect) the behavior of people, usually for the better or, at least, more socially acceptable way. For example, if I approach a four-way stop and there is no traffic on the cross street and there is a cop car right behind me, I will come to a full stop before proceeding. If the cop car is not there, I might just slow down and not fully stop. If a hooker is standing on the street soliciting cars driving by and she sees a police car, she will probably stop what she is doing. If two men are fighting in the street and a cop approaches, they will usually cease.

What I said is that cops do not cause violence, and I will stand by that, with one exception. If a cop is the victim of the violence and if it would not have happened but for his or her presence, then you can distort the truth and say the cop caused the violent act. This would be akin to saying a woman caused her own rape by being in the vicinity of the rapist or that a shopkeeper caused a robbery by having money in the cash register.

 

[cheesehead2]

Obviously, the cops affect (not effect) the behavior of people, usually for the better or, at least, more socially acceptable way. For example, if I approach a four-way stop and there is no traffic on the cross street and there is a cop car right behind me, I will come to a full stop before proceeding. If the cop car is not there, I might just slow down and not fully stop. If a hooker is standing on the street soliciting cars driving by and she sees a police car, she will probably stop what she is doing. If two men are fighting in the street and a cop approaches, they will usually cease.

What I said is that cops do not cause violence, and I will stand by that, with one exception. If a cop is the victim of the violence and if it would not have happened but for his or her presence, then you can distort the truth and say the cop caused the violent act. This would be akin to saying a woman caused her own rape by being in the vicinity of the rapist or that a shopkeeper caused a robbery by having money in the cash register.

Thank you. Next take on Al and Jesse.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Obviously, the cops affect (not effect) the behavior of people, usually for the better or, at least, more socially acceptable way.

What I said is that cops do not cause violence, and I will stand by that, with one exception. If a cop is the victim of the violence

So they ARE capable of causing a change in human behavior.....



That's the big steaming pile of shit you're sticking with right? I just want to make sure before I go digging for a bunch of links to crush your stupid and send you packing right the fuck out of this thread like I know you will do instead of taking personal responsibility and just admitting you're full of it.......


So cops are only good right?

Impossible for them to cause anything negative ever unless they are the victim right? That's the crazy you're sticking with?

Or are you still unsure of what the word cause means?

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You still sticking with the whole cops don't cause anything negative ever??? You really think their behavior/presence is nothing but rainbow unicorn farts hua?

This is right up there with you saying you don't support the war on drugs but you think drug dealers should all be doing 20 year mandatory minimums.......

Were you a cop or something? I've never seen someone so blindly biased for law enforcement as the shining example of holy altruistic perfection on Earth as I have found in you.

So what's the real reason behind your COPS/LEO's= perfect humans that can do no wrong nor even cause wrong to happen...like some fucking unworldly superhero god or some shit.....maybe daddy was a popo??

 

[rippitydoo]

If two men are fighting in the street and a cop approaches, they will usually cease.

At which point cop exits vehicle, throws hands up & asks, "What'd you stop for?!", after which he beats them each senseless (not to mention senselessly).

What I said is that cops do not cause violence, and I will stand by that, with one exception. If a cop is the victim of the violence and if it would not have happened but for his or her presence, then you can distort the truth and say the cop caused the violent act.

No; If the cop is the victim, nobody will say they caused it. However, if the cop kills any number of other persons (1-100), they may get fired, but also acquitted, after which (in the words of former TV cop & TV firefighter Adam Ferrara), "Don't be surprised when this s**t happens again!"

 

[Sean Renaud]

At which point cop exits vehicle, throws hands up & asks, "What'd you stop for?!", after which he beats them each senseless (not to mention senselessly).



No; If the cop is the victim, nobody will say they caused it. However, if the cop kills any number of other persons (1-100), they may get fired, but also acquitted, after which (in the words of former TV cop & TV firefighter Adam Ferrara), "Don't be surprised when this s**t happens again!"

Well the why'd you stop is rhetorical. Once the cop has spotted you commiting a crime he has every right to fuck with you. Though obviously it depends somewhat on the crime. Doing more than flashing your lights at Jay Walkers is almost always overkill.

You're right about the kills but the problem, a large part of it anyway, is that this shit only even gets brought up in any serious manner when there is a fatality. As long as the victim survives it's usually the kind of thing that goes away. And I bet it happens MORE than anybody even wants to think about.

 

[rippitydoo]

Well the why'd you stop is rhetorical. Once the cop has spotted you commiting a crime he has every right to fuck with you. Though obviously it depends somewhat on the crime. Doing more than flashing your lights at Jay Walkers is almost always overkill.

You're right about the kills but the problem, a large part of it anyway, is that this shit only even gets brought up in any serious manner when there is a fatality. As long as the victim survives it's usually the kind of thing that goes away. And I bet it happens MORE than anybody even wants to think about.

If I'm watching Tyson or (more current) Mayweather fight in the ring, I'm likely to see 3 in the ring: The 2 being paid to fight each other, & one getting paid to do anything except fight anyone else. Could he throw a punch at either of the others?! Sure, but he'd probably lose his job & paycheck in less time than it's taken me to fight this. It's the same for cops who kill two men who were fighting when he approached them.

Yeah, I'm sure it happens more than I care to think about. You wanna know why I don't think about it much if at all? Because every time it happens it's the same three steps:

1] Cop kills ____.

2] ____ dies.

3] Cop may or may not be charged, but if so, will certainly be acquitted.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If I'm watching Tyson or (more current) Mayweather fight in the ring, I'm likely to see 3 in the ring: The 2 being paid to fight each other, & one getting paid to do anything except fight anyone else. Could he throw a punch at either of the others?! Sure, but he'd probably lose his job & paycheck in less time than it's taken me to fight this. It's the same for cops who kill two men who were fighting when he approached them.

Yeah, I'm sure it happens more than I care to think about. You wanna know why I don't think about it much if at all? Because every time it happens it's the same three steps:

1] Cop kills ____.

2] ____ dies.

3] Cop may or may not be charged, but if so, will certainly be acquitted.

The problem is that policemen aren't referees. At the core of their job they are paid to be violent. One of the key parts of having a soveriegn territory (Kingdom, Country, State, County yadda yadda) is that you are and in the case of a country with states or counties and cities anybody who "outranks you" are the only entities legally allowed to engage in violence. In an ideal situation it never comes to that and they should do what they can to avoid that but cops are fundamentally the opposite of refs.

That's the thing, those three steps are not the only ones possible. I doubt they are even the most plausible. I'm sure there are lots of times when cops shoot people and they don't die. I'm sure there are tons of people who get the holy hell beat out of them and did little to nothing to earn it but got it anyway. I have little doubt that cops lie like rugs for each other.