Ferguson Neverending

[phrodeau]

The legal age for drinking is 21.

No shit, Sherlock.

It isn't a crime to be drunk and underage. If alcohol was forced on you, you're not breaking any law.

Also, if you have a debilitating condition that mimics drunken behavior, that is perfectly legal.

The criminal is the person who enables someone underage to get drunk, either by serving him or selling him alcohol.

 

[tnadnuder]

If alcohol was forced on you, you're not breaking any law.

The criminal is the person who enables someone underage to get drunk, either by serving him or selling him alcohol.

Yeah, I believe that's true, which is why it is probably among the most-oft-used & least-oft-true excuses used by drunk folks.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No shit, Sherlock.

It isn't a crime to be drunk and underage. If alcohol was forced on you, you're not breaking any law.

Also, if you have a debilitating condition that mimics drunken behavior, that is perfectly legal.

The criminal is the person who enables someone underage to get drunk, either by serving him or selling him alcohol.

But if you present bogus ID saying you are older than you really are, that is a crime. He may or not have done so, but his ID was rejected by the bouncer and, immediately after that, he was busted by the ABC.

Interestingly, the ABC was profiling the bar because it was St. Patrick's Day and the bar owners are of Irish descent.

 

[MrBates2]

No shit, Sherlock.

It isn't a crime to be drunk and underage. If alcohol was forced on you, you're not breaking any law.

right

Also, if you have a debilitating condition that mimics drunken behavior, that is perfectly legal.

Cause, that's a common condition?

The criminal is the person who enables someone underage to get drunk, either by serving him or selling him alcohol.

My god you are stupid.

 

[MrBates2]

But if you present bogus ID saying you are older than you really are, that is a crime. He may or not have done so, but his ID was rejected by the bouncer and, immediately after that, he was busted by the ABC.

Interestingly, the ABC was profiling the bar because it was St. Patrick's Day and the bar owners are of Irish descent.

They wanted him out of the bar, and he would not leave. The actions that directly followed may or may not have been warranted. However, because he is black and the cop was white, the liberal media gets ahold of this and has a field day. This whole thing, with black people NOW victims is some grand conspiracy by the liberal media and slightly embarrassing.

 

[doubleover]

My god you are stupid.

No truer words have been spoken.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

clearly we can all agree that those in Ferguson, and Baltimore are criminals and anti American. we need to put those people in "camps" or deport them. also most of the leadership of Baltimore needs to be in prison

 

[rippitydoo]

clearly we can all agree that those in Ferguson, and Baltimore are criminals and anti American.

No we can't. Two out of three, but I believe they are natural-born American citizens.

How about they stay & you leave?... Not the country, but the Forums.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There is something about this case that puzzles me. According to what I have read in reliable sources, Johnson had a "valid" ID from IL. He was only 20 years old.

Now, what puzzles me is this: If he had his own ID card, it would have shown his age to be 20 years old. The bouncer would have seen this and said something like "You're underage. Go away." However, that is not what happened. Instead, he quizzed Johnson on details of the ID, notably the zip code. Why would he have bothered to do that if he had known the would-be patron to be underage?

One possibility is that Johnson had somebody else's ID card or was doing something else illegal. He did not correctly answer the questions he was asked, and the bouncer refused him entry. When Johnson left, he was apparently followed by agents of ABC who had seen the interaction, and these agents believed he had been trying to use a fake ID card, which is a fairly common occurrence. Being rejected by the bouncer would have given them probable cause to accost him, and if he refused to present the rejected ID card or was otherwise uncooperative, they would have arrested him. If he resisted, they would have used necessary force, which would have cause the superficial injuries Johnson incurred.

Unfortunately, we will probably never know the true facts of the case, because the charges have been dropped.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Yes, yes, yes, he must've been doing something illegal. Something overlooked, assuredly. Because that's the rational answer for things like this just popping out of thin air and happening for no reason, making the police do what they do. After all, if he had not done something possibly illegal, then this would've never have happened.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/499830ac963a4ed206740646ab6674c6/tumblr_inline_noiwb7pfZv1qdes6g_250.jpg

http://33.media.tumblr.com/45d66efd5ffb9af3fb95aba39b1c6da6/tumblr_inline_npv2laNZMN1qfa8wb_540.gif

 

[Beco]

There is something about this case that puzzles me. According to what I have read in reliable sources, Johnson had a "valid" ID from IL. He was only 20 years old.

Now, what puzzles me is this: If he had his own ID card, it would have shown his age to be 20 years old. The bouncer would have seen this and said something like "You're underage. Go away." However, that is not what happened. Instead, he quizzed Johnson on details of the ID, notably the zip code. Why would he have bothered to do that if he had known the would-be patron to be underage?

One possibility is that Johnson had somebody else's ID card or was doing something else illegal. He did not correctly answer the questions he was asked, and the bouncer refused him entry. When Johnson left, he was apparently followed by agents of ABC who had seen the interaction, and these agents believed he had been trying to use a fake ID card, which is a fairly common occurrence. Being rejected by the bouncer would have given them probable cause to accost him, and if he refused to present the rejected ID card or was otherwise uncooperative, they would have arrested him. If he resisted, they would have used necessary force, which would have cause the superficial injuries Johnson incurred.

Unfortunately, we will probably never know the true facts of the case, because the charges have been dropped.

Agents of ABC? Are they out and about looking for kids that present fake ID cards??? Do they wear black suits and sunglasses??

 

[Boxlicker101]

Agents of ABC? Are they out and about looking for kids that present fake ID cards??? Do they wear black suits and sunglasses??

They are commonly referred to as agents and they do, among other things, watch for people entering bars or buying alcoholic products using fake ID cards. Some of them wear plain clothes and some do not. I doubt they would have been wearing sun glasses at night.

The night in question was Saint Patrick's Day and the bar in question was owned by Irish people and was given special attention. Profiled, if you prefer.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

No we can't. Two out of three, but I believe they are natural-born American citizens.

How about they stay & you leave?... Not the country, but the Forums.

Real American's need to take our country back, and put idiots like you, izzy, kingofAssTards .... into special camps. Clearly, most of your kind is unfixable...maybe we just need to put you people in a cement box and let you nuts have at it, survival of the fittest.

 

[phrodeau]

There is something about this case that puzzles me. According to what I have read in reliable sources, Johnson had a "valid" ID from IL. He was only 20 years old.

Now, what puzzles me is this: If he had his own ID card, it would have shown his age to be 20 years old. The bouncer would have seen this and said something like "You're underage. Go away." However, that is not what happened. Instead, he quizzed Johnson on details of the ID, notably the zip code. Why would he have bothered to do that if he had known the would-be patron to be underage?

One possibility is that Johnson had somebody else's ID card or was doing something else illegal. He did not correctly answer the questions he was asked, and the bouncer refused him entry. When Johnson left, he was apparently followed by agents of ABC who had seen the interaction, and these agents believed he had been trying to use a fake ID card, which is a fairly common occurrence. Being rejected by the bouncer would have given them probable cause to accost him, and if he refused to present the rejected ID card or was otherwise uncooperative, they would have arrested him. If he resisted, they would have used necessary force, which would have cause the superficial injuries Johnson incurred.

Unfortunately, we will probably never know the true facts of the case, because the charges have been dropped.

That's OK. You can still use this anecdote to reinforce your prejudices.

 

[Beco]

They are commonly referred to as agents and they do, among other things, watch for people entering bars or buying alcoholic products using fake ID cards. Some of them wear plain clothes and some do not. I doubt they would have been wearing sun glasses at night.

The night in question was Saint Patrick's Day and the bar in question was owned by Irish people and was given special attention. Profiled, if you prefer.

I dont get out that much anymore.....I guess

 

[rippitydoo]

Real American's need to take our country back, and put idiots like you, izzy, kingofAssTards .... into special camps. Clearly, most of your kind is unfixable...maybe we just need to put you people in a cement box and let you nuts have at it, survival of the fittest.

The idiots are the ones who put apostrophes in words that don't require it like "Americans" & refer to cement all the time because they have so much of it to spare where their brains should be.

Got news for you: When the world was created (however it happened), people believed the world was flat & even if they knew otherwise, there was nobody on this land, meaning no "real Americans".

Which is why I renew my suggestion that the intelligent ones here now increase the average IQ by getting rid of the idiots like you... Unless you agree to leave peacefully.

 

[MrBates2]

Having lived in both mostly Black and all-White communities, I can state from experience that each group views the police very differently. A White police officer will probably go his entire career without having multiple hostile encounters with White residents. Few officers (especially in the inner city) can go through longer than perhaps a day without having numerous unpleasant encounters with Black Americans. When you know or can perceive that people you encounter dislike you without bothering to get to know you, that dislike is rarely returned with affection or respect.

 

[MrBates2]

No shit, Sherlock.

It isn't a crime to be drunk and underage. If alcohol was forced on you, you're not breaking any law.

Also, if you have a debilitating condition that mimics drunken behavior, that is perfectly legal.

The criminal is the person who enables someone underage to get drunk, either by serving him or selling him alcohol.

To be blunt, most of the Blacks that the police encounter are either criminals or victims; there are few exceptions. Since the police see humanity at its worst, it often skews their mindsets towards the negative.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

jaileyrhode:

A white man in Texas planted 4 bombs around the police station and under a police car, before spraying the facility with bullets from an automatic weapon, before leading the police on a 14 minute car chase while he fired at them with the same automatic weapon, and upon being killed by a sniper, the first thing the news did was cut to his father who talked about how he “just snapped. the police took his kid from him. they called him a terrorist.”

This man literally performed a terrorist act and the news is playing the sympathy angle. An actual criminal is treated like a mentally disturbed person who lost a kid.

But an unarmed Black child is killed on a playground and every picture of him where his pants are sagging is plastered on the news while they play up him being a ‘thug’ despite being fucking 12.

This is America. This is the fuckin world we live in.

http://jaileyrhode.tumblr.com/post/121475615933/a-white-man-in-texas-planted-4-bombs-around-the

 

[rippitydoo]

When you know or can perceive that people you encounter dislike you without bothering to get to know you, that dislike is rarely returned with affection or respect.

And the part I put in bold explains why... You expect respect or affection from someone when you are starting any connection/relationship already having decided to give them none?!

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Driving in a parking lot while...

In the police officer's eyes, because she did not give her name and I.D. immediately, they were justified in laying their hands on her.

The police pushed a woman who was 8 months pregnant onto her stomach.
They cuffed her behind her back and told her to get up.

They manhandled her into the back of a police car.

Why did they do this ?

"...needlessly arresting a pregnant woman dropping her child off at school who may or may not have driven down a one-way lane."


http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...itting-they-have-seen-no-evidence-of-a-crime/

They had no evidence that she did anything wrong.
She did not break the law.
Nothing was damaged.
No one was hurt.


"After the responding officer asked for her identification, she declined to provide it and made a call to her boyfriend asking if she was justified in not identifying herself. The incident was captured on the officer's body camera and he is seen grabbing Cook's arms, apparently forcing her to the ground and then struggling with another officer to handcuff her as she laid on her stomach."

In a second incident, Charlena Michelle Cooks, who was eight months pregnant, was handcuffed behind her back and arrested for refusing to show her identification to a Barstow police officer. The arrest occurred just after she had dropped off her daughter, a second-grader, at school.

ACLU SoCal staff attorney Adrienna Wong said it is important to understand that if you exercise your right to refuse to show your ID, an officer might arrest you. “It would be a wrongful arrest, but it would be an arrest,” she said.

Cooks was charged with resisting arrest, but a judge later dismissed those charges. “Even if an officer is conducting an investigation, in California, unlike some other states, he can’t just require a person to provide ID for no reason,” Wong said.

The officer can ask, Wong said, but the person can say no. “Officers in California should not be using the obstruction law, Penal Code 148, to arrest someone for failing to provide ID, when they can’t find any other reason to arrest them,” she said.

Cooks’ arrest was captured on the officer’s body camera, and the video shows an interaction between law enforcement and individuals of different races.

Price asked whether race played a role in the difference in treatment.

“Imagine getting wrestled to the ground and handcuffed in front of your child’s elementary school,” Price said. “Imagine interacting with other parents afterwards. Imagine what kids who saw the incident tell your child. And if you think the whole incident happened because of your race, how does that impact your view of police?”

Price said the public should not have to speculate about the role of race in law enforcement. “We should know,” she said.

Two bills pending in the legislature, AB 953 and AB 619, would require officers to record data about their stops and uses of force, including the race of the individuals involved, and report that data to the attorney general.

“We give police a great deal of authority to stop people, to detain them, to search them, even to shoot them,” Price said. “Requiring police to report how they use those powers, in an effort to measure racial disparities and help identify solutions, is a small price to pay for fairer policing.”

https://www.aclusocal.org/barstow-stop-and-id/


Jun. 12, 2015

A woman who was forced to the ground by a Barstow police officer earlier this year while she was eight months pregnant filed a lawsuit Thursday, alleging excessive force was used after she refused to identify herself.

Charlena Michelle Cooks of Barstow seeks an "undisclosed" amount of damages for "emotional and mental" distress, according to her attorney Caree Harper.
The lawsuit names the City of Barstow, police chief Albert Ramirez Jr. and officers Ronan Colleoc and J. Silva.


http://m.vvdailypress.com/article/20150612/NEWS/150619924

 

[Boxlicker101]

Driving in a parking lot while...

In the police officer's eyes, because she did not give her name and I.D. immediately, they were justified in laying their hands on her.

The police pushed a woman who was 8 months pregnant onto her stomach.
They cuffed her behind her back and told her to get up.

They manhandled her into the back of a police car.

Why did they do this ?

"...needlessly arresting a pregnant woman dropping her child off at school who may or may not have driven down a one-way lane."


http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...itting-they-have-seen-no-evidence-of-a-crime/

They had no evidence that she did anything wrong.
She did not break the law.
Nothing was damaged.
No one was hurt.


"After the responding officer asked for her identification, she declined to provide it and made a call to her boyfriend asking if she was justified in not identifying herself. The incident was captured on the officer's body camera and he is seen grabbing Cook's arms, apparently forcing her to the ground and then struggling with another officer to handcuff her as she laid on her stomach."

In a second incident, Charlena Michelle Cooks, who was eight months pregnant, was handcuffed behind her back and arrested for refusing to show her identification to a Barstow police officer. The arrest occurred just after she had dropped off her daughter, a second-grader, at school.

ACLU SoCal staff attorney Adrienna Wong said it is important to understand that if you exercise your right to refuse to show your ID, an officer might arrest you. “It would be a wrongful arrest, but it would be an arrest,” she said.

Cooks was charged with resisting arrest, but a judge later dismissed those charges. “Even if an officer is conducting an investigation, in California, unlike some other states, he can’t just require a person to provide ID for no reason,” Wong said.

The officer can ask, Wong said, but the person can say no. “Officers in California should not be using the obstruction law, Penal Code 148, to arrest someone for failing to provide ID, when they can’t find any other reason to arrest them,” she said.

Cooks’ arrest was captured on the officer’s body camera, and the video shows an interaction between law enforcement and individuals of different races.

Price asked whether race played a role in the difference in treatment.

“Imagine getting wrestled to the ground and handcuffed in front of your child’s elementary school,” Price said. “Imagine interacting with other parents afterwards. Imagine what kids who saw the incident tell your child. And if you think the whole incident happened because of your race, how does that impact your view of police?”

Price said the public should not have to speculate about the role of race in law enforcement. “We should know,” she said.

Two bills pending in the legislature, AB 953 and AB 619, would require officers to record data about their stops and uses of force, including the race of the individuals involved, and report that data to the attorney general.

“We give police a great deal of authority to stop people, to detain them, to search them, even to shoot them,” Price said. “Requiring police to report how they use those powers, in an effort to measure racial disparities and help identify solutions, is a small price to pay for fairer policing.”

https://www.aclusocal.org/barstow-stop-and-id/


Jun. 12, 2015

A woman who was forced to the ground by a Barstow police officer earlier this year while she was eight months pregnant filed a lawsuit Thursday, alleging excessive force was used after she refused to identify herself.

Charlena Michelle Cooks of Barstow seeks an "undisclosed" amount of damages for "emotional and mental" distress, according to her attorney Caree Harper.
The lawsuit names the City of Barstow, police chief Albert Ramirez Jr. and officers Ronan Colleoc and J. Silva.

http://m.vvdailypress.com/article/20150612/NEWS/150619924

Drivers in CA may not be required to show ID without a reason, but they are required to show proof of liability insurance coverage. That's not to justify anything; that's to express mild disagreement with what you said.

 

[JackLuis]

Drivers in CA may not be required to show ID without a reason, but they are required to show proof of liability insurance coverage. That's not to justify anything; that's to express mild disagreement with what you said.

Bullshit Box. Even if he had asked for proof of Insurance, what the fuck was he investigating? What possible reason to inflict battery and humiliation on her?

But I'll bet Barstow Cops are not the most intelligent boys in blue either.

 

[rippitydoo]

Bullshit Box. Even if he had asked for proof of Insurance, what the fuck was he investigating? What possible reason to inflict battery and humiliation on her?

No real answer to either of those questions. However, in my experience, their superiors would not request/expect there be any.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

Video recordings show brutality

One police officer pushed a screaming and crying 12-year-old up against a patrol car in her bathing suit.
(She is small, slight, and thin.)

A 15 year old girl was maced inside her mouth and in her eyes.
Police pull people by their necks.
Multiple officers pressed a pregnant woman into an iron gate.
Twisting children's arms behind their backs to cuff them.
A police officer fractured the jaw of a girl and broke her ribs.

Why ?

A family paid their fees to use the community pool.
The mother leaves to pick up her female friend.
(Fifty dollars.)
One child had the wrong kind of bathing suit.
The mother returned with the correct swim suit for the child.
The staff told the group to leave.

The true reason that the children were being forced to leave, is because they dared to try to explain the situation, and protest against unfair treatment. They got "mouthy ?"

They would not give the family a refund.
The family had been there less than an hour.
Voices are not raised, there is no hostility or threat.
The mother accepted that her children were being treated unfairly,
and she accepted that she would lose her day at the pool, and the
money that she paid was wasted.


This was not the first time that the mother brought her family to this pool.
She has been bringing them to this pool for years.
This is the first time that she and her family were treated so badly.

Something was rotten about the situation, because one of the boys did not have the right swimming trunks on, but he never went into the pool because his shorts were dry !


It is a set up. It is a set piece. The white staff want them gone, and the police will make sure that they are removed. What were the key phrases that were used, when someone called the police station ?

"Causing a disturbance." ????


Who called in the riot police ?

A police officer and a security guard are part of the staff.

Same old ugly tactic put into use- A police officer demands the mother's I.D.
The mother is in her bathing suit. Of course, she does not have her I.D.
He demands her name, while she is walking away.
The Park Ranger has just told her that he would arrest her if she did not leave!

(The officer wants instant obedience. He wants immediate control. Mere seconds pass between demands. A warning needs to be issued about not giving your name, right away. The law might say that you do not need to give your name, but you might get roughed up and arrested if you do not comply immediately. Do not protest unfair treatment. Do not protest injustice. Be meek and be silent, even if the situation is impossible. Because they are hungry for the chance to hurt you.]

The mother is concerned about her children, her nephews, and nieces. She makes the mistake of returning to collect the children.

The mother is six months pregnant.

When the police officers start getting brutal with the mother, the twelve year old and fifteen year old did attempt to defend their pregnant mother.

The boys knew enough to stay away, even though they were distressed.
Two of the boys were arrested because they dared to say something, and stayed at a safe distance to be witnesses to what was happening

The two women clung to the iron fence, because the situation had gone beyond reasonable.

The police officers escalated the situation, when reasonable communication would have allowed the mother to collect the children and her friend and leave.

They used brutal tactics. They inflict pain, trauma, bodily injury, distress, and fear.
This is inflicting punishment for no reason, at all. The police could have helped the situation. Instead, they inflicted harm, and arrested women and children are then they did nothing wrong.

The family disagreed with unfair treatment. Lesson learned ? There is no leeway, or understanding if you are not white.

"Hlton spoke at the Word Family Life Center, with Krystal and her sister Maya Dixon, of Columbus. Fairfield police arrested both of them, charging them with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Police also arrested two juveniles, charging a 15-year-old boy with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest, and charging a 12-year-old girl with assault and resisting arrest."


http://m.journal-news.com/news/news...es-fairfield-police-of-brutality-in-po/nmdtc/

That day at the pool, Krystal Dixon, 33, took her children and some nieces and nephews to the pool, as they had done for many years. Dixon left and the kids, a total of eight, started swimming.

It was at that point that pool employees stopped one of Dixon’s nephews, saying he did not have proper attire on. Signs posted at the pool state that swimmers must wear proper swim attire. The nephew and Dixon’s daughter called Dixon and informed her they were told to leave. Krystal told the kids she was coming back and had the nephew’s swim trunks with her.

Hilton said it was only the nephew that did not have swimming attire; the other kids did.

When Dixon, who is pregnant, returned to the pool, the kids were “off the property” as had been demanded. Dixon went into the Aquatic Center to find out what was happening. She was told the nephew did not have proper attire, but got in the pool anyway.

“Krystal looks at the young man, and there is not a drop of water on him,” Hilton said. It’s at this point that someone began recording video.

Dixon asked pool staff if she could have her money back and was told no. As she walked toward the pool area to get the kids, an officer attempted to grab Dixon and ask what she was doing. Fairfield police said one of the city’s park rangers was on site at the time. That ranger had handcuffs.

On the video, one of the kids asked, “What are you going to do with that?” The Park ranger responds, “I’m going to arrest you for not leaving.”

As Dixon was heading back out, a police officer asked her for an ID. Dixon said she didn’t have one, because she was wearing swimming attire. The officer grabbed Dixon by the arm, and that’s when the incident escalated, Hilton said. Multiple officers responded to the scene.

Hilton said a police officer grabbed the 12-year-old female “by the neck, slam her up against a police car, and this young lady, 12 years old, sustained multiple injuries,” Hilton said, though he would not specify what those injuries were.

Dixon told our news partner’s WCPO 9 On Your Side that her daughter sustained a broken jaw and three broken ribs.

Hilton said the video “clearly” shows the 12-year-old not assaulting an officer.

Videos at this link

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympl...resting-family-after-altercation-a#.chDWYOpl8

"...two adults, including Dixon, were arrested on charges of resisting arrest and disorderly conduct.

A 12-year-old girl was charged with assault and a 15-year-old was charged with resisting arrest as well. Both were charged with disorderly conduct.

(One of the boys was arrested.)

http://citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-6520-morning_news_and_stuff.html


http://citybeat.com/cincinnati/blog-6524-morning_news_and_stuff.html

"...she brought eight children to the pool at about 3 p.m. and left to pick up her sister, who also planned to spend the day there.

The rules do not apply if you are white. By rights, the civilian who helped crush the teen against the fence should have been told to stay back, and he should have been arrested for interfering with an officer.

The footage shows a group of officers trying to apprehend several teenagers at the scene. A random white civilian is pictured pushing up against a black teen in handcuffs. One teen girl is crying on the ground after being pepper sprayed. Another girl is crying as a cop grabs the back of her neck and pushes her into a squad car.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...neck-and-slams-her-against-his-squad-car.html