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Truth hurts your little mind?
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Truth hurts your little mind?
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While I do think the Indians logo is really wrong and the Redskins name, whats wrong with the Chiefs?
Rumor is in DC, that the Skins will move back to DC along with a name change, that I gotta see
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The wearing of the red face is the problem, it's like wearing black face. It honors no one and makes the people doing it look insensitive at best, ignorant at worse.
Snyder will fight tooth and nail not to change the name, because if he does, that will be his admission he's been wrong about the name "honoring' Native Americans.
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Football fans often honor their home tams by painting their faces with the tam logos or team colors.
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BUT...
The use of red face is akin to wearing black face. It's ignorance that people do not know that fact!
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I have never done this, but If I were a big fan of the SF 49ers, I would probably paint my face red and attend their games. For the Oakland Raiders, I would probably paint half black and half silver. Either way, I would not feel the tiniest bit of guilt for supporting my team. If other people were to be bothered by this, that would be their problem.
I wonder if Martians would complain about green face paint.
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Assuming your shitty comparison means Martians actually had green skin to begin with, then they probably would, if we as Terrans were to colonize Mars and subject the Martians there to generations of genocide/slavery/social inequity, then appropriate their language, culture and names into money-making franchise sports teams whose "representation" mocks their bodies while maintaining their social status as second-class or lower.
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Using red face to be a Pretend-ian is offensive.
The caricature is racially insensitive at best.
The caricature is racially insensitive at best.
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and we should ban and destroy My Favorite Martian immediately!! and Bill Bixby is a racist pig, he always wants Uncle Martin to NOT be a Martian and act like a human.......
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One arm of the state is paying a large sum to lock up a person who can't pay a small sum owed to a different arm of the state. The result? Bigger state deficits. As the director of the Brennan Center's Justice Program put it, "Having taxpayers foot a bill of $4,000 to incarcerate a man who owes the state $745 or a woman who owes a predatory lender $425 and removing them from the job force makes sense in no reasonable world."
When the poor come to understand that they are likely to be detained and fined for comically absurd crimes, it can't be a surprise to the police that their officers are viewed with increasing distrust. In this environment, running away from a cop is not an act of suspicion; it's common sense.
Here's an ironic kicker: When she died, Sandra Bland already owed $7,000.00
Sandra Bland – who was vocal on the issue of police encounters with African Americans in the months leading up to her death in a jail cell in Texas – had at least 10 encounters herself with police in both Illinois and Texas.
Sandra Bland – who was vocal on the issue of police encounters with African Americans in the months leading up to her death in a jail cell in Texas -- had at least 10 encounters herself with police in both Illinois and Texas in past years.
And NBC5 Investigates has found that – at the time of her death last Friday -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
gsgs comment-
The police officer is sent to the street to earn his keep, and to earn money for his network. The rich have their own network to protect them, and they are part of the police officer's network. Where will they get the money that they need ?
From people who do not have an inter- related network. Minority citizens living in poor neighborhoods.
From people who can be bullied, abused and used without fear of damage to a beneficial network.
Sandra Bland was an activist with black lives matter.
Sandra Bland was an activist who advised others about their rights and the proper way to handle a police encounter.
The police officer tried to trap her in a situation that he created. She called him on it, and it has been recorded.
Did the police officer use his taser on Sandra Bland ? Is this when her tortured body spasmed ? Is this the kick he claims ? Or, was the kick invented ?
/end gsgs comment
When the poor come to understand that they are likely to be detained and fined for comically absurd crimes, it can't be a surprise to the police that their officers are viewed with increasing distrust. In this environment, running away from a cop is not an act of suspicion; it's common sense.
Here's an ironic kicker: When she died, Sandra Bland already owed $7,000.00
Sandra Bland – who was vocal on the issue of police encounters with African Americans in the months leading up to her death in a jail cell in Texas – had at least 10 encounters herself with police in both Illinois and Texas.
Sandra Bland – who was vocal on the issue of police encounters with African Americans in the months leading up to her death in a jail cell in Texas -- had at least 10 encounters herself with police in both Illinois and Texas in past years.
And NBC5 Investigates has found that – at the time of her death last Friday -- she still owed a total of $7,579.00 in court fines resulting from five traffic stops in various Chicago suburbs (including a DUI), and she had been cited several times for her failure to pay those fines.
gsgs comment-
The police officer is sent to the street to earn his keep, and to earn money for his network. The rich have their own network to protect them, and they are part of the police officer's network. Where will they get the money that they need ?
From people who do not have an inter- related network. Minority citizens living in poor neighborhoods.
From people who can be bullied, abused and used without fear of damage to a beneficial network.
Sandra Bland was an activist with black lives matter.
Sandra Bland was an activist who advised others about their rights and the proper way to handle a police encounter.
The police officer tried to trap her in a situation that he created. She called him on it, and it has been recorded.
Did the police officer use his taser on Sandra Bland ? Is this when her tortured body spasmed ? Is this the kick he claims ? Or, was the kick invented ?
/end gsgs comment
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Officer Ray Tensing Has Been Bonded Out Of Jail.
Yep. The murderer of Samuel Dubose who had a bail set at 1 million dollars is out of jail due to the help of supporters. Tensing only had to pay 10% of his bail, and the rest came in from people all around the country according to his attorney.
His attorney, Stew Mathews, seriously said that the support is coming from people who “feel like he’s getting railroaded here in Cincinnati. You’d have to be blind not to see that.” His lawyer also said that the 1 million dollar bond was “excessive,” and is still telling the media that Sam Dubose attacked Tensing with his car and that he feared for his life. I’m fucking DONE.
A man who shot an unarmed citizen point blank in the head, lied about it, and is facing murder and manslaughter chargers is now free after serving 1 day in jail.
http://jessehimself.tumblr.com/post/125520844338/officer-ray-tensing-has-been-bonded-out-of-jail
Yep. The murderer of Samuel Dubose who had a bail set at 1 million dollars is out of jail due to the help of supporters. Tensing only had to pay 10% of his bail, and the rest came in from people all around the country according to his attorney.
His attorney, Stew Mathews, seriously said that the support is coming from people who “feel like he’s getting railroaded here in Cincinnati. You’d have to be blind not to see that.” His lawyer also said that the 1 million dollar bond was “excessive,” and is still telling the media that Sam Dubose attacked Tensing with his car and that he feared for his life. I’m fucking DONE.
A man who shot an unarmed citizen point blank in the head, lied about it, and is facing murder and manslaughter chargers is now free after serving 1 day in jail.
http://jessehimself.tumblr.com/post/125520844338/officer-ray-tensing-has-been-bonded-out-of-jail
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Return to Ferguson
August 10, 2015
Peaceful marchers
Ferguson marks 1 year since Michael Brown death
Death of Christian Taylor
Not a second after interim Ferguson police chief Andre Anderson told TV reporters, "We just want to be as patient as possible," the bullets started flying on W. Florissant Avenue
(People who were not part of the peaceful movement to move forward, and do not care about the efforts toward peace and justice, scorned the community with gunfire and crime.)
Gunfire erupted last night at about 11:15 in Ferguson, where people had gathered on the one-year anniversary of the shooting of Michael Brown Jr. That gunfire led to a man being shot by police and kicked off a series of other crimes that included damage to at least one business, the mugging of St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Paul Hampel, and a second shooting on Canfield Drive.
The chaos started at about 11:15 on W. Florissant. In a video posted to YouTube by RT, you can see people ducking for cover and what appears to be a person in the right of the frame firing a gun.
2:15 a.m., two young black males, ages 17 and 19, were walking on Canfield Drive near the Mike Brown memorial when "an unknown black male wearing a red hooded sweatshirt started shooting at them," according to a county police media advisory. Both were shot in the chest and suffered non-life-threatening injuries.
youtube.com
RAW: The actual moment of Ferguson shooting
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...niversary_shootings_assault_hampel_french.php
Witness
2015 that he suddenly found himself back in the spotlight -- for something that seemed to confirm the worst suspicions of his detractors.
Dorian Johnson has found little peace in the year since Brown's death. He lost his apartment, his job and his independence. He also became a national whipping boy after a U.S. Department of Justice report concluded that physical evidence and witness testimony supported Wilson's version of events, rather than his own.
"It does sadden me that it seems like Darren Wilson just fell off the face of the earth," he says. "I mean, I can pick my nose and it'll be on the news. Who's to say what Darren Wilson is doing right now?"
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2015/08/dorian_johnson_michael_brown_feature.php?page=4
August 10, 2015
Peaceful marchers
Ferguson marks 1 year since Michael Brown death
Death of Christian Taylor
Not a second after interim Ferguson police chief Andre Anderson told TV reporters, "We just want to be as patient as possible," the bullets started flying on W. Florissant Avenue
(People who were not part of the peaceful movement to move forward, and do not care about the efforts toward peace and justice, scorned the community with gunfire and crime.)
Gunfire erupted last night at about 11:15 in Ferguson, where people had gathered on the one-year anniversary of the shooting of Michael Brown Jr. That gunfire led to a man being shot by police and kicked off a series of other crimes that included damage to at least one business, the mugging of St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter Paul Hampel, and a second shooting on Canfield Drive.
The chaos started at about 11:15 on W. Florissant. In a video posted to YouTube by RT, you can see people ducking for cover and what appears to be a person in the right of the frame firing a gun.
2:15 a.m., two young black males, ages 17 and 19, were walking on Canfield Drive near the Mike Brown memorial when "an unknown black male wearing a red hooded sweatshirt started shooting at them," according to a county police media advisory. Both were shot in the chest and suffered non-life-threatening injuries.
youtube.com
RAW: The actual moment of Ferguson shooting
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/da...niversary_shootings_assault_hampel_french.php
Witness
2015 that he suddenly found himself back in the spotlight -- for something that seemed to confirm the worst suspicions of his detractors.
Dorian Johnson has found little peace in the year since Brown's death. He lost his apartment, his job and his independence. He also became a national whipping boy after a U.S. Department of Justice report concluded that physical evidence and witness testimony supported Wilson's version of events, rather than his own.
"It does sadden me that it seems like Darren Wilson just fell off the face of the earth," he says. "I mean, I can pick my nose and it'll be on the news. Who's to say what Darren Wilson is doing right now?"
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2015/08/dorian_johnson_michael_brown_feature.php?page=4
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A peaceful day of protest and remembrance dissolved into chaos late Sunday when a man fired multiple shots at four St. Louis County plainclothes detectives in an SUV. The detectives fired back and the shooter was struck, said county Police Chief Jon Belmar. He was in critical condition.
Tyrone Harris identified the victim as his son, Tyrone Harris Jr., 18, of St. Louis. Harris said shortly after 3 a.m. that his son had just gotten out of surgery.
He said his son graduated from Normandy High School and that he and Michael Brown Jr. "were real close."
"We think there's a lot more to this than what's being said," Harris Sr. said.
The four detectives, who have six to 12 years of experience, will be placed on administrative leave, a standard practice after a police-involved shooting. They were not wearing body cameras, Belmar said.
A coalition calling itself the Ferguson Action Council criticized St. Louis County for putting plainclothes officers without body cameras in Ferguson. The coalition includes the Don't Shoot Coalition, Hands Up United, Organization for Black Struggle and others. In a news release Monday morning, the coalition said in part: "After a year of protest and conversation around police accountability, having plain clothes officers without body cameras and proper identification in the protest setting leaves us with only the officer’s account of the incident, which is clearly problematic."
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_baaf86fd-2de0-53a7-b840-1941159aa5c7.html
Tyrone Harris identified the victim as his son, Tyrone Harris Jr., 18, of St. Louis. Harris said shortly after 3 a.m. that his son had just gotten out of surgery.
He said his son graduated from Normandy High School and that he and Michael Brown Jr. "were real close."
"We think there's a lot more to this than what's being said," Harris Sr. said.
The four detectives, who have six to 12 years of experience, will be placed on administrative leave, a standard practice after a police-involved shooting. They were not wearing body cameras, Belmar said.
A coalition calling itself the Ferguson Action Council criticized St. Louis County for putting plainclothes officers without body cameras in Ferguson. The coalition includes the Don't Shoot Coalition, Hands Up United, Organization for Black Struggle and others. In a news release Monday morning, the coalition said in part: "After a year of protest and conversation around police accountability, having plain clothes officers without body cameras and proper identification in the protest setting leaves us with only the officer’s account of the incident, which is clearly problematic."
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_baaf86fd-2de0-53a7-b840-1941159aa5c7.html
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Sad to say, but nothing has changed in Ferguson.
The police are more vile and corrupt, than they were.
The Ferguson police are violent and disrespectful.
There will be another false face put onto the events on Sunday.
There will be a fresh set of lies and cover-up. Blue Wall of Hate.
They shot the friend of Michael Brown, and labeled him, accused him, lied about him, and shot him. He unarmed. He is innocent. There are witnesses. The cycle is starting again.
State of Emergency declared.
Protesters arrested, media arrested, journalists arrested.
Community leaders arrested, activists arrested.
New, the arrested announce they have no intention of committing suicide, and have no reason to commit suicide while in police custody. Has this new method of murder gone viral ? New policy is to kill the witness against a police officer, and the only mugshots are of dead victims ? Dead victims give no testimony in court.
Twerps with guns, and a badge kill, while racists and haters cheer.
Christian Taylor
Officers on the scene were rookie Brad Miller and his training officer, a 19-year veteran. It was Miller—who had no prior law-enforcement experience and had just completed a 16-week field-training program—who shot Christian Taylor four times in the stomach, chest and neck. His training partner used a Taser on the teen.
According to The Guardian, neither officer was wearing a body camera. And some of the video and audio files conflict with one another. One clip makes it seem as if Miller shot Christian Taylor within seconds of seeing him, while in another it seems as if several minutes pass before the fatal shooting.
The police are more vile and corrupt, than they were.
The Ferguson police are violent and disrespectful.
There will be another false face put onto the events on Sunday.
There will be a fresh set of lies and cover-up. Blue Wall of Hate.
They shot the friend of Michael Brown, and labeled him, accused him, lied about him, and shot him. He unarmed. He is innocent. There are witnesses. The cycle is starting again.
State of Emergency declared.
Protesters arrested, media arrested, journalists arrested.
Community leaders arrested, activists arrested.
New, the arrested announce they have no intention of committing suicide, and have no reason to commit suicide while in police custody. Has this new method of murder gone viral ? New policy is to kill the witness against a police officer, and the only mugshots are of dead victims ? Dead victims give no testimony in court.
Twerps with guns, and a badge kill, while racists and haters cheer.
Christian Taylor
Officers on the scene were rookie Brad Miller and his training officer, a 19-year veteran. It was Miller—who had no prior law-enforcement experience and had just completed a 16-week field-training program—who shot Christian Taylor four times in the stomach, chest and neck. His training partner used a Taser on the teen.
According to The Guardian, neither officer was wearing a body camera. And some of the video and audio files conflict with one another. One clip makes it seem as if Miller shot Christian Taylor within seconds of seeing him, while in another it seems as if several minutes pass before the fatal shooting.
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Moral Monday
Protesters blocked rush-hour traffic in both directions on Interstate 70 near the Blanchette Bridge in Earth City Monday evening.
About 5:40 p.m., most protesters cleared off the road and traffic began to move again. Others protesters refused to move and were arrested. St. Louis County Police were arresting protesters in parking lots adjacent to the interstate.
Monday afternoon, about three dozen protesters briefly blocked the intersection of Shaw Park Boulevard. The protesters were later at Corporate Park Drive being watched by cops from various municipalities.
The protesters included activists who have targeted Enterprise Holdings and its executive chairman, Andrew Taylor. The Taylor family owns Bridgeton-based Keefe Group, which contracts with prisons to sell inmates goods. Activists claim the company gouges prisoners on everything from candy to calls home.
$$$$$$$$$$$
About 150 demonstrators gathered at Christ Church Cathedral on Locust on Monday morning to plan a march and discuss methods of civil disobedience.
Then the protesters marched to the Thomas F. Eagleton U.S. Courthouse. After arriving about noon at the courthouse, the protesters were backed by a chanting chorus of "DOJ, do your job," referring to the U.S. Department of Justice, while they read from a petition that asked the federal government to disband the Ferguson Police Department.
Several of the familiar faces of last year's Ferguson protests — the Revs. Mike Kinman, Renita Lamkin and Osagyefo Sekou and Rabbi Susan Talve — gave speeches and implored protesters to maintain their fight for justice.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_7564c9cb-cc89-58cb-8787-4aaa91bcccaa.html
Protesters blocked rush-hour traffic in both directions on Interstate 70 near the Blanchette Bridge in Earth City Monday evening.
About 5:40 p.m., most protesters cleared off the road and traffic began to move again. Others protesters refused to move and were arrested. St. Louis County Police were arresting protesters in parking lots adjacent to the interstate.
Monday afternoon, about three dozen protesters briefly blocked the intersection of Shaw Park Boulevard. The protesters were later at Corporate Park Drive being watched by cops from various municipalities.
The protesters included activists who have targeted Enterprise Holdings and its executive chairman, Andrew Taylor. The Taylor family owns Bridgeton-based Keefe Group, which contracts with prisons to sell inmates goods. Activists claim the company gouges prisoners on everything from candy to calls home.
$$$$$$$$$$$
About 150 demonstrators gathered at Christ Church Cathedral on Locust on Monday morning to plan a march and discuss methods of civil disobedience.
Then the protesters marched to the Thomas F. Eagleton U.S. Courthouse. After arriving about noon at the courthouse, the protesters were backed by a chanting chorus of "DOJ, do your job," referring to the U.S. Department of Justice, while they read from a petition that asked the federal government to disband the Ferguson Police Department.
Several of the familiar faces of last year's Ferguson protests — the Revs. Mike Kinman, Renita Lamkin and Osagyefo Sekou and Rabbi Susan Talve — gave speeches and implored protesters to maintain their fight for justice.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_7564c9cb-cc89-58cb-8787-4aaa91bcccaa.html
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The shitstain police force? Yup, they're back at it and never left doing it.
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The law is the state’s one tool for keeping cash-hungry municipalities from relying too much on court fines for revenue.
What to do, when fines from traffic violations do not bring in enough cash to support city hall, the court, the police, and all the people that are part of the alliance ?
Find more money, by finding more ways to fine citizens.
Vincent Blount, 54, and Valarie Whitner, 55, have lived in Pagedale for 20 years. For at least the last seven, they’ve been battling Pagedale’s municipal court.
The couple say they’ve been ticketed for everything you can think of: high grass and peeling paint, an overgrown tree, not recycling and more.
“Every year. Every year,” said Blount, sighing. “They just got me again.”
The latest citation was for a tree limb that fell onto their garage during a winter storm, the couple said. They waited until their insurance company assessed the damage, then placed the chopped up limb on the empty city lot next door. Before a tree service could pick it up, the city’s housing and sanitation inspector arrived.
The couple explained the situation but said it didn’t matter. They received another ticket.
In April, the inspector sent a list of 17 demands for the property.
The couple were given a 30-day deadline to, among other things, add screens and curtains to the windows; remove a dead branch from a tree out back; replace a missing shingle; use weedkiller; finish repairing the garage; install a rear screen door.
The repairs cost money — money the couple have been using to pay the court. They pay $100 a month on a tab that has grown to $1,810. About $1,000 of that was due to nontraffic violations. They still have $800 to pay off.
Each ticket requires a court appearance, because there’s no set fine to be paid by mail. When Blount, fed up, misses court he is charged with failure to appear. Not only has it added to his bill, it has also landed him in a Pagedale holding cell — four times, for a day or two each.
It is difficult to tell how much municipalities make off these violations, because until recently the state hadn’t required a breakdown of court revenue. Fines vary case by case on nontraffic matters. But they can be steep.
In Hanley Hills, where 60 percent of cases are the kind that don’t count toward Macks Creek, a man who was arrested in July 2013 on state gun and drug offenses was also cited for a host of ordinance violations.
The prosecutor’s recommendation: $488 for having a home unfit for habitation, $100 for improper trash storage, $250 for having no dog license, $478 for violating minimum housing standards, $478 for having no occupancy permit and $228 for not participating in the city trash program. Each carried court costs. A few could be reduced to $150 if the home was brought into compliance.
Another Hanley Hills woman has a court file several inches thick. She has been cited repeatedly over the last decade for three types of violations: no auto sticker, no license and high grass. Every time she didn’t show in court she would get a failure to appear charge — one for each of her pending violations — causing her fines to balloon. Her total tab in Hanley Hills: $2,986.
In June 2013, the woman wrote a letter to the court.
“I know when you look at your records it appears I have willfully ignored my business with you but this is not true,” she wrote.
She told of mental health issues and going broke, losing “everything — my business, my home, my kid in jail, everything but the sanity of my mind.”
On a fixed income and caring for a 93-year-old mother and special needs child, the woman asked to be placed on a payment plan or to do community service.
The court chose the former. By April, she had paid $1,824 off.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_42739be7-afd1-5f66-b325-e1f654ba9625.html
The latest attack on the neighborhood
It looks like an excuse, to rid the desirable part of town of minority home owners, in order that the land be resold.
Half the neighborhood, removed, erased, and gone.
Would you be surprised if the residential neighborhood was re- zoned ?
Tiny pond and big, hungry fish have friends who are hungry, too.
Great little scam, is working wonders for the big fish.
The coffers are overflowing with money from the fines taken from the homeowners.
Everyone on the payroll of the town are busy, and assured of keeping their jobs.
The homeowners are money poor from paying fines and paying for the improvements
Fines are given out, as if there were no tomorrow-
The homeowners are forced to sell, because the all forces against them, are impossible to battle. It is a set up, and there is no way to fight it.
After the homes in the desirable location are bulldozed, the land confiscated by the town can be put to the purpose of making the big fish and their friends richer.
Is it not strange, that homes that are rotting and falling apart are ignored, and allowed to stand, while a home that has old storm windows and missing blinds is bulldozed ? Why bulldoze a home that had a new roof built, to the tune of $6,000.00? Lawn not mowed to the specified height ? Say good bye to your home and your land.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_81601302-e27e-5184-a820-d4dfb315625c.html
The public interest law firm has been following her case, and watching Pagedale closely, after the Post-Dispatch highlighted the city’s ticketing practices and region’s reliance on municipal courts for revenue.
First, he said, property owners on the demolition list didn’t get proper notice. The letters that went out didn’t describe the problems on each property, leaving homeowners with no way to prepare for the hearing.
But the bigger problem, Lanahan said, is Pagedale’s code calls for demolition only with “dangerous buildings,” defined under specific terms. Among the things that count: walls that buckle, damaged foundations, fire hazards or buildings “that are so dilapidated, decayed, unsafe, unsanitary or that so utterly fail to provide the amenities essential to decent living that they are unfit for habitation.”
"I never said the property is uninhabitable or dangerous. It’s a nuisance.”
That seems inconsistent with getting a hearing notice which is basically the last step before you tear something down,” said Matt Moak, St. Louis city’s chief problem properties attorney. The notice indicates “that the determination has been made that those properties are structurally deficient to the extent that they need to be taken down.”
Erika Zaza, who prosecutes code violations for the city, agreed noting: “It seems extreme to be demolishing a house for siding and storm windows and trash.”
“We have a saying in Pagedale: Nothing is fair ... because City Hall runs the place."
What to do, when fines from traffic violations do not bring in enough cash to support city hall, the court, the police, and all the people that are part of the alliance ?
Find more money, by finding more ways to fine citizens.
Vincent Blount, 54, and Valarie Whitner, 55, have lived in Pagedale for 20 years. For at least the last seven, they’ve been battling Pagedale’s municipal court.
The couple say they’ve been ticketed for everything you can think of: high grass and peeling paint, an overgrown tree, not recycling and more.
“Every year. Every year,” said Blount, sighing. “They just got me again.”
The latest citation was for a tree limb that fell onto their garage during a winter storm, the couple said. They waited until their insurance company assessed the damage, then placed the chopped up limb on the empty city lot next door. Before a tree service could pick it up, the city’s housing and sanitation inspector arrived.
The couple explained the situation but said it didn’t matter. They received another ticket.
In April, the inspector sent a list of 17 demands for the property.
The couple were given a 30-day deadline to, among other things, add screens and curtains to the windows; remove a dead branch from a tree out back; replace a missing shingle; use weedkiller; finish repairing the garage; install a rear screen door.
The repairs cost money — money the couple have been using to pay the court. They pay $100 a month on a tab that has grown to $1,810. About $1,000 of that was due to nontraffic violations. They still have $800 to pay off.
Each ticket requires a court appearance, because there’s no set fine to be paid by mail. When Blount, fed up, misses court he is charged with failure to appear. Not only has it added to his bill, it has also landed him in a Pagedale holding cell — four times, for a day or two each.
It is difficult to tell how much municipalities make off these violations, because until recently the state hadn’t required a breakdown of court revenue. Fines vary case by case on nontraffic matters. But they can be steep.
In Hanley Hills, where 60 percent of cases are the kind that don’t count toward Macks Creek, a man who was arrested in July 2013 on state gun and drug offenses was also cited for a host of ordinance violations.
The prosecutor’s recommendation: $488 for having a home unfit for habitation, $100 for improper trash storage, $250 for having no dog license, $478 for violating minimum housing standards, $478 for having no occupancy permit and $228 for not participating in the city trash program. Each carried court costs. A few could be reduced to $150 if the home was brought into compliance.
Another Hanley Hills woman has a court file several inches thick. She has been cited repeatedly over the last decade for three types of violations: no auto sticker, no license and high grass. Every time she didn’t show in court she would get a failure to appear charge — one for each of her pending violations — causing her fines to balloon. Her total tab in Hanley Hills: $2,986.
In June 2013, the woman wrote a letter to the court.
“I know when you look at your records it appears I have willfully ignored my business with you but this is not true,” she wrote.
She told of mental health issues and going broke, losing “everything — my business, my home, my kid in jail, everything but the sanity of my mind.”
On a fixed income and caring for a 93-year-old mother and special needs child, the woman asked to be placed on a payment plan or to do community service.
The court chose the former. By April, she had paid $1,824 off.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_42739be7-afd1-5f66-b325-e1f654ba9625.html
The latest attack on the neighborhood
It looks like an excuse, to rid the desirable part of town of minority home owners, in order that the land be resold.
Half the neighborhood, removed, erased, and gone.
Would you be surprised if the residential neighborhood was re- zoned ?
Tiny pond and big, hungry fish have friends who are hungry, too.
Great little scam, is working wonders for the big fish.
The coffers are overflowing with money from the fines taken from the homeowners.
Everyone on the payroll of the town are busy, and assured of keeping their jobs.
The homeowners are money poor from paying fines and paying for the improvements
Fines are given out, as if there were no tomorrow-
The homeowners are forced to sell, because the all forces against them, are impossible to battle. It is a set up, and there is no way to fight it.
After the homes in the desirable location are bulldozed, the land confiscated by the town can be put to the purpose of making the big fish and their friends richer.
Is it not strange, that homes that are rotting and falling apart are ignored, and allowed to stand, while a home that has old storm windows and missing blinds is bulldozed ? Why bulldoze a home that had a new roof built, to the tune of $6,000.00? Lawn not mowed to the specified height ? Say good bye to your home and your land.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_81601302-e27e-5184-a820-d4dfb315625c.html
The public interest law firm has been following her case, and watching Pagedale closely, after the Post-Dispatch highlighted the city’s ticketing practices and region’s reliance on municipal courts for revenue.
First, he said, property owners on the demolition list didn’t get proper notice. The letters that went out didn’t describe the problems on each property, leaving homeowners with no way to prepare for the hearing.
But the bigger problem, Lanahan said, is Pagedale’s code calls for demolition only with “dangerous buildings,” defined under specific terms. Among the things that count: walls that buckle, damaged foundations, fire hazards or buildings “that are so dilapidated, decayed, unsafe, unsanitary or that so utterly fail to provide the amenities essential to decent living that they are unfit for habitation.”
"I never said the property is uninhabitable or dangerous. It’s a nuisance.”
That seems inconsistent with getting a hearing notice which is basically the last step before you tear something down,” said Matt Moak, St. Louis city’s chief problem properties attorney. The notice indicates “that the determination has been made that those properties are structurally deficient to the extent that they need to be taken down.”
Erika Zaza, who prosecutes code violations for the city, agreed noting: “It seems extreme to be demolishing a house for siding and storm windows and trash.”
“We have a saying in Pagedale: Nothing is fair ... because City Hall runs the place."
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*looks at Ferguson police department*
Yeah, that is not racist, at all. / end sarcasm
No legal rights for anyone involved in the protests.
Not even the lawyers, the medics, the journalists from major media networks.
Extra-legal rights for a mob of racists, carrying weapons with live ammunition.
Yeah, that is not racist, at all. / end sarcasm
No legal rights for anyone involved in the protests.
Not even the lawyers, the medics, the journalists from major media networks.
Extra-legal rights for a mob of racists, carrying weapons with live ammunition.
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How a Boston Case Won You the Right to Record Police
Glik happened upon three Boston police officers arresting a man and using what he thought was excessive force. Glik decided to film the arrest on his cell phone to document it, only to be arrested himself and charged with violating the state’s wiretapping law, because he recorded audio without the police officers’ knowledge.
Massachusetts is a “two party consent” state, which means it’s illegal to record audio without the knowledge and permission of the person you are recording — unless, as we’ll see, that person is a government official in a public space.
The charges against Glik were eventually throw out by a judge. Glik sued the officers and the city of Boston for violating his First Amendment rights and wrongly arresting him. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit agreed, ruling in 2011 that “a citizen’s right to film government officials, including law enforcement officers, in the discharge of their duties in a public space is a basic, vital and well-established liberty safeguarded by the First Amendment.”
In 2012, the city of Boston paid $170,000 to settle with Glik. BPD also ruled that two of the officers should be disciplined for arresting Glik in 2012, four years after it initially said they had done nothing wrong.
boston.com
Just a little more than a year after the Suffolk County Police Department paid a $200,000 settlement to a photojournalist they arrested for video recording in public, another man is claiming they did the same to him, even going as far as to attempt to delete his footage.
But they ended up deleting the wrong footage, claims Thomas Demint.
The incident took less than a month before the Suffolk County Police Department agreed to pay photojournalist Phillip Datz $200,000 for arresting him in 2011 in a video that went widely viral, which would make one think they would never do that again.
Boston Police Department
Boston police Commissioner William Evans whined about people who record the police, even going so far as to call for a new law that would criminalize the act of recording a police officer while standing within a certain distance of them.
“If we can get legislation to make it fair, so it protects both sides, then I’m all for it,” Evans told the Herald. “Would I love to see a little distance? I’d love to see that.”
Opinion-
"If a law like the one Evans hopes to see passes, it could potentially make it illegal to record police in almost any circumstance. Any time a police officer approached a person, it would be illegal for that person to record the interaction if the cop got close enough to them."
"But such a law would probably be struck down by the courts if it was ever passed. Maybe Evans slept through civics class, but passing a law that violates the First Amendment will only lead to lawsuits and wasted taxpayer money."
"Texas state Representative Jason Villalba, who tried to pass a similar buffer zone law for people recording cops earlier this year. Here in Massachusetts, state Senator James Eldridge has already come out against Evans’ proposal."
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...-criminalize-the-recording-of-cops-in-public/
Boston police Commissioner William B. Evans is calling for laws to regulate the proliferation of cellphone-toting citizens and so-called cop watchers dedicated to recording potential police misconduct — a trend that has given rise to new challenges and risks for officers at crime scenes.
“If we can get legislation that protects both sides, I’m all for it,” Evans told the Herald late last week. “Should you be up in a police officer’s face and agitating them? Absolutely not. Because we’ve seen it through all these demonstrations. It interferes sometimes with us (being) able to look at the crowd and focus on what our mission is.”
The attention around the public filming of police has exploded in recent months after cases in Charleston, S.C., and Baltimore showcased the power of citizen video to document misconduct by cops. More recently, cases have emerged locally of allegations involving officers from Chelsea and Medford.
During the altercation, as officers struggled to subdue the suspect, they noted that they were being videotaped by the large crowd that had gathered,” officers wrote in their report. “In need of help, officers asked members of the crowd and a security guard for help. No help was offered.”
Evans said that should never happen. “I’d also like to see some legislation that if a cop is on the ground struggling with someone, like he was the other night and everybody is videotaping, someone should be held accountable for not stepping up and helping them,” he said.
Such legislation, however, could face challenges. A bill in Texas proposing a required distance for cop watchers was met with heavy opposition. And Matt Segal, legal director for the ACLU of Massachusetts, said he believes any law — either dictating a required distance or charging those who choose to videotape rather than intervene — would be overturned.
“As long as someone is not obstructing a police officer’s movements, they have a right to record,” Segal said.
Robert Bloom, a Boston College Law School professor and civil rights attorney, said legislating distance “makes some sense.”
But, he said, “My primary objective is getting an accurate record. In the past, the police automatically were thought to be telling the true version. It doesn’t mean a (camera) is going to solve everything. … But at least there’s a record. And that becomes important.”
The impact of cameras, police say, has cut in various ways. Chelsea police Chief Brian Kyes said officers who stop to talk to at-risk youths, including those with criminal records, are often met immediately by smartphones set to record.
“Maybe it’s to act as a deflector or a shield,” he said. “But if you’re having that conversation, and 30 seconds in they realize this guy is not a bad guy, they get tired of holding that phone in the air. And that shield is now down. … (Cameras are) becoming a quote-unquote given. It’s not a bad thing. It’s something to be mindful of.”
Police say they recognize that the filming of officers is a legally protected right that civil liberty advocates say is only growing in importance.
“I think it’s important that people finally feel they have something in their hand that allows them to bring the truth to the surface,” said Urszula Masny-Latos, executive director of the National Lawyers Guild Massachusetts, which has helped train local cop watchers on the legalities around filming police.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...commissioner_wants_law_to_push_back_on_camera
Glik happened upon three Boston police officers arresting a man and using what he thought was excessive force. Glik decided to film the arrest on his cell phone to document it, only to be arrested himself and charged with violating the state’s wiretapping law, because he recorded audio without the police officers’ knowledge.
Massachusetts is a “two party consent” state, which means it’s illegal to record audio without the knowledge and permission of the person you are recording — unless, as we’ll see, that person is a government official in a public space.
The charges against Glik were eventually throw out by a judge. Glik sued the officers and the city of Boston for violating his First Amendment rights and wrongly arresting him. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit agreed, ruling in 2011 that “a citizen’s right to film government officials, including law enforcement officers, in the discharge of their duties in a public space is a basic, vital and well-established liberty safeguarded by the First Amendment.”
In 2012, the city of Boston paid $170,000 to settle with Glik. BPD also ruled that two of the officers should be disciplined for arresting Glik in 2012, four years after it initially said they had done nothing wrong.
boston.com
Just a little more than a year after the Suffolk County Police Department paid a $200,000 settlement to a photojournalist they arrested for video recording in public, another man is claiming they did the same to him, even going as far as to attempt to delete his footage.
But they ended up deleting the wrong footage, claims Thomas Demint.
The incident took less than a month before the Suffolk County Police Department agreed to pay photojournalist Phillip Datz $200,000 for arresting him in 2011 in a video that went widely viral, which would make one think they would never do that again.
Boston Police Department
Boston police Commissioner William Evans whined about people who record the police, even going so far as to call for a new law that would criminalize the act of recording a police officer while standing within a certain distance of them.
“If we can get legislation to make it fair, so it protects both sides, then I’m all for it,” Evans told the Herald. “Would I love to see a little distance? I’d love to see that.”
Opinion-
"If a law like the one Evans hopes to see passes, it could potentially make it illegal to record police in almost any circumstance. Any time a police officer approached a person, it would be illegal for that person to record the interaction if the cop got close enough to them."
"But such a law would probably be struck down by the courts if it was ever passed. Maybe Evans slept through civics class, but passing a law that violates the First Amendment will only lead to lawsuits and wasted taxpayer money."
"Texas state Representative Jason Villalba, who tried to pass a similar buffer zone law for people recording cops earlier this year. Here in Massachusetts, state Senator James Eldridge has already come out against Evans’ proposal."
http://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...-criminalize-the-recording-of-cops-in-public/
Boston police Commissioner William B. Evans is calling for laws to regulate the proliferation of cellphone-toting citizens and so-called cop watchers dedicated to recording potential police misconduct — a trend that has given rise to new challenges and risks for officers at crime scenes.
“If we can get legislation that protects both sides, I’m all for it,” Evans told the Herald late last week. “Should you be up in a police officer’s face and agitating them? Absolutely not. Because we’ve seen it through all these demonstrations. It interferes sometimes with us (being) able to look at the crowd and focus on what our mission is.”
The attention around the public filming of police has exploded in recent months after cases in Charleston, S.C., and Baltimore showcased the power of citizen video to document misconduct by cops. More recently, cases have emerged locally of allegations involving officers from Chelsea and Medford.
During the altercation, as officers struggled to subdue the suspect, they noted that they were being videotaped by the large crowd that had gathered,” officers wrote in their report. “In need of help, officers asked members of the crowd and a security guard for help. No help was offered.”
Evans said that should never happen. “I’d also like to see some legislation that if a cop is on the ground struggling with someone, like he was the other night and everybody is videotaping, someone should be held accountable for not stepping up and helping them,” he said.
Such legislation, however, could face challenges. A bill in Texas proposing a required distance for cop watchers was met with heavy opposition. And Matt Segal, legal director for the ACLU of Massachusetts, said he believes any law — either dictating a required distance or charging those who choose to videotape rather than intervene — would be overturned.
“As long as someone is not obstructing a police officer’s movements, they have a right to record,” Segal said.
Robert Bloom, a Boston College Law School professor and civil rights attorney, said legislating distance “makes some sense.”
But, he said, “My primary objective is getting an accurate record. In the past, the police automatically were thought to be telling the true version. It doesn’t mean a (camera) is going to solve everything. … But at least there’s a record. And that becomes important.”
The impact of cameras, police say, has cut in various ways. Chelsea police Chief Brian Kyes said officers who stop to talk to at-risk youths, including those with criminal records, are often met immediately by smartphones set to record.
“Maybe it’s to act as a deflector or a shield,” he said. “But if you’re having that conversation, and 30 seconds in they realize this guy is not a bad guy, they get tired of holding that phone in the air. And that shield is now down. … (Cameras are) becoming a quote-unquote given. It’s not a bad thing. It’s something to be mindful of.”
Police say they recognize that the filming of officers is a legally protected right that civil liberty advocates say is only growing in importance.
“I think it’s important that people finally feel they have something in their hand that allows them to bring the truth to the surface,” said Urszula Masny-Latos, executive director of the National Lawyers Guild Massachusetts, which has helped train local cop watchers on the legalities around filming police.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_op...commissioner_wants_law_to_push_back_on_camera
