"Fifty Shades of Grey"

Well, that was disappointing. I wrote a few thoughtful paragraphs and poof, vanished.

Anyway, I said something like:

I picked up the first book because of all the talk/publicity. I knew from what I heard that it was not very well-written but I’ve enjoyed the entertainment value of some marginal literature. Like my tastes in music, my tastes in literature are varied and surprise some people. I like classical music, some opera, some jazz, some pop, some rap . . .oh and even some country music. That usually shocks people the most. ;)

So back to “Shades.” I ended up reading all three books.

One of the reasons the books are so popular with older-than-teenage women is this: When we come home at the end of the day, many of us (ok, me) want to lay down all the armor we have to put on in our daily lives and trust our lover to be the man. I do something for a living that requires me to be very assertive at work.

I don’t want to be the man at home. I have to be the man at work. I’m a sensual, sexual, soft, feminine being. That’s what I want to be at home. For me, it takes a lover who is dominant, assertive, strong, and yes, loving, kind, caring, and gentle when it’s called for -- to allow me to lay down the armor. “Fifty Shades” presents such a lover.

In spite of the incredible need for a good editor, (how many times can one “press one’s mouth into a hard line” or “look up at him through her lashes?) the book was entertaining enough for a quick summer read ---- and to intensify my desire to experiment with more intense dominant/submissive roles in my relationship.

I get the feeling one has to be a very strong person to be a good sub. Perhaps one day I’ll find out.

Bella-

Nicely put and it dovetails a lot of what I have been thinking about why the books are so phenomenally popular and my sweetie put it is great context I think. First of all, the book is written by a woman from a woman's perspective, it is not the typical books in bd/sm that are written by guys. Yes, it is a romance, which by their very nature are not realistic (yeah, 45 year old guys come 4 times a night, right). The point that is being lost is that Ana, the girl, as clueless as she is, ends up taming Christian, she stands up to him and is able to get him to actually have a loving relationship with her (while finding out she can enjoy the kink). The point of the book is not about BD/SM, but rather about Ana getting out of Christian what she needs, and that is key. My sweeties point is that unlike what most women experience in sex, Ana is the one getting served; whether it is kink or not, Ana is the one who is the focus of the sex, Christian is focusing on her, which quite frankly is not the norm even today for women's sexuality for many. I think my sweetie is right, that women see what goes on here and are using it as a mechanism to get their mates to actually make them the focus of what they are doing. When you are the one being tied up, being spanked, whatever, you are the center of it, the focus of what is going on, and I think that the women getting heated up by this are attracted by that idea. Read any romance novel and what entrances the women who are the main readers? The male character focuses on them, actually cares they get an orgasm, etc. They aren't seeing the bd/sm and thinking "hmm, I'll have a D/s with my husband", it is more like "I can get him to do these things to me, I can let myself go and be the center of attention".

I don't think this is going to create a wave of women getting into serious bd/sm or d/s, the book itself is not really a bd/sm book and it was never meant to be. Rather, what I think is happening is because of e-books women can read stuff they normally wouldn't, and see something in it to get what they have been missing. I don't think the women flooding adult bookstores and erotic boutiques and hardware stores or the rope aisle of the Home Depot want to run out and join a BD/SM group, or would get turned on by reading 'real' bd/sm fiction or want to go to an S/M club or have a 24/7 DS with their husband, I think they simply see a way to get their husband to pay the kind of attention to them they want, to be the center of things. In one sense it is brilliant, if that is the reason, because a lot of husbands are going to see it as being doing kink, prob something they have thought about but been afraid to bring up, and here it is being handed to them. They see playing the master, having a willing 'slave', but in reality they are being topped from the bottom sort of:).

I think for anyone into bd/sm this isn't 'real', but it was never really meant to be, the d/s is a plot point as part of how Christian can have any kind of sexual relationship.
 
Bella-

Nicely put and it dovetails a lot of what I have been thinking about why the books are so phenomenally popular and my sweetie put it is great context I think. First of all, the book is written by a woman from a woman's perspective, it is not the typical books in bd/sm that are written by guys. Yes, it is a romance, which by their very nature are not realistic (yeah, 45 year old guys come 4 times a night, right). The point that is being lost is that Ana, the girl, as clueless as she is, ends up taming Christian, she stands up to him and is able to get him to actually have a loving relationship with her (while finding out she can enjoy the kink). The point of the book is not about BD/SM, but rather about Ana getting out of Christian what she needs, and that is key. My sweeties point is that unlike what most women experience in sex, Ana is the one getting served; whether it is kink or not, Ana is the one who is the focus of the sex, Christian is focusing on her, which quite frankly is not the norm even today for women's sexuality for many. I think my sweetie is right, that women see what goes on here and are using it as a mechanism to get their mates to actually make them the focus of what they are doing. When you are the one being tied up, being spanked, whatever, you are the center of it, the focus of what is going on, and I think that the women getting heated up by this are attracted by that idea. Read any romance novel and what entrances the women who are the main readers? The male character focuses on them, actually cares they get an orgasm, etc. They aren't seeing the bd/sm and thinking "hmm, I'll have a D/s with my husband", it is more like "I can get him to do these things to me, I can let myself go and be the center of attention".

I don't think this is going to create a wave of women getting into serious bd/sm or d/s, the book itself is not really a bd/sm book and it was never meant to be. Rather, what I think is happening is because of e-books women can read stuff they normally wouldn't, and see something in it to get what they have been missing. I don't think the women flooding adult bookstores and erotic boutiques and hardware stores or the rope aisle of the Home Depot want to run out and join a BD/SM group, or would get turned on by reading 'real' bd/sm fiction or want to go to an S/M club or have a 24/7 DS with their husband, I think they simply see a way to get their husband to pay the kind of attention to them they want, to be the center of things. In one sense it is brilliant, if that is the reason, because a lot of husbands are going to see it as being doing kink, prob something they have thought about but been afraid to bring up, and here it is being handed to them. They see playing the master, having a willing 'slave', but in reality they are being topped from the bottom sort of:).

I think for anyone into bd/sm this isn't 'real', but it was never really meant to be, the d/s is a plot point as part of how Christian can have any kind of sexual relationship.

I would agree with you about this part....this was the only way Christian was introduced to sex and hence the only thing he knows. Confronted with Ana and her defiance he finds himself in an unfamiliar place....yet, he is still willing to please her and make it all about her. Most men aren't capable of/willing to adapt from what they've only known and yes, it takes work on Christian's part but it does work out and the story goes from 50 Shades to the seemingly perfect fair tale romance. What woman doesn't love the happy ending these days???
 
Your wish is my command Sir Winston
(She fell to her knees before him, and lifted her head to regard him. Then, she knelt back on her heels, lowered her head, and lifted and extended her arms, wrists crossed, as though for binding.)

*giggles*

:cattail:


If you are bored, shove something to somewhere where you like it, but leave my threads alone if they don't violate the forum rules.
 
:rolleyes: was that supposed to frighten me? Why are you being nasty and rude?

Because you are nasty and rude. It's not your job to merge threads just because your favorite Litizen asks you to.

If you have the urge to play the moderator, get rid of all the copyright violations in BDSM *, which are against the forum rules. This will keep you busy enough.
 
Because you are nasty and rude. It's not your job to merge threads just because your favorite Litizen asks you to.

If you have the urge to play the moderator, get rid of all the copyright violations in BDSM *, which are against the forum rules. This will keep you busy enough.

Who am i nasty and rude to? Please don't read your own personality into my posts.
I didn't really see merging all the 50 shades discussion threads together as something that would be a problem for anyone starting the threads. Are you not all discussing the same books? Or was I mistaken about them all being the same books?
 
Hmm...sorry to bring things back on topic...

I think I finally understand why there was such an aching need in women for 50 Shades of Grey.

Someone lent me Breaking Dawn, and while I expected it to be somewhat PG I didn't expect them to COMPLETELY skip all the sex!! Not even the courtesy of giving us a curtain blowing in the window to watch!

So...50 Shades is just the universe balancing itself out again. [shrug]
 
Who am i nasty and rude to? Please don't read your own personality into my posts.
I didn't really see merging all the 50 shades discussion threads together as something that would be a problem for anyone starting the threads. Are you not all discussing the same books? Or was I mistaken about them all being the same books?

Then how about merging all the "I'm a new submissive and want to explore the lifestyle" threads?

Or "Ropework photos" and "Your Favorite BDSM Photos".
Then "random ramblings" and "The Isolated Blurt Thread".

Or wait, let's merge all Talk threads, they are all about BDSM!
 
I was kinda surprised that you merged them, Kajira. Primalex is right, there are a million identical threads on these forums. I wish we could merge every one of the "I'm new!" threads... but we don't. So I don't think it's necessary to merge the relatively few "fifty shades" threads.

In fact, I really don't think lit mods have the authority to do that kind of editorial editing at all. The only time threads should be merged is when someone creates two or more identical threads like a semi-troll.
 
Aaand my mom plans on starting the book when her friend is done with it. :rolleyes:

Let's hope she doesn't blab about how much she loves it to me like she does with everything else otherwise... well, lets just say it'll be awkward for her. ;)
 
Last I saw it was an e-book. That's a hard limit for me. :devil:

FF

Oh I giggled so much over this. I absolutely refused to go e-book. Though.. the massive collection I'm gaining and running out of space ... I broke down. I read a book on the iPad. It wasn't as bad as I envisioned. It ended up being something I wanted to read RIGHT NOW, and I'm not the most patient person alive... it just happened. (Lol, that excuse is SO versatile). Anyways, it won't ever replace having a book in my hand, but it's a nice convenience. And I have to say.. the space thing, that's a plus.
 
As did I. Although I don't share your aversion to e-books.

It just takes pliers and some effort to truly dogear the pages.

<snerk>

I read all 3 on my Nook. No way in hell was I going to kill trees for this stuff. In my defense the only reason I read all 3 was because a) I kept hoping she would decide to submit to Christian in book 2 and b) the mystery of book 2 carried over to 3 and I got a bit caught up in it. Pathetic, I really should have seen that coming. I'm so easy.
 
It just takes pliers and some effort to truly dogear the pages.

:Giggles insanely: I'm totally anti-dogeared pages. I go a bit postal if I loan books out and they come back damaged.

<snerk>

I read all 3 on my Nook. No way in hell was I going to kill trees for this stuff. In my defense the only reason I read all 3 was because a) I kept hoping she would decide to submit to Christian in book 2 and b) the mystery of book 2 carried over to 3 and I got a bit caught up in it. Pathetic, I really should have seen that coming. I'm so easy.

Same. I'm shameless, I just kept on reading. It was entertaining
 
I was following this thread when it first came out. Now it seems to have left me in the dust.

The way I see it, anything that increases awareness of BDSM raises my share price.
 
My concern is that many will read these books and will emotionally invest in the idea of a bsdm relationship without having the faintest clue as to what is really involved. I predict an influx of wannabes both D and s who quite literally will end up causing real harm through lack of training, understanding and knowledge. Hey ho!
 
My concern is that many will read these books and will emotionally invest in the idea of a bsdm relationship without having the faintest clue as to what is really involved.

Isn't that what we all did?

I predict an influx of wannabes both D and s who quite literally will end up causing real harm through lack of training, understanding and knowledge. Hey ho!

I don't know about this.

They're newbs, not *necessarily* psyho's and 'tards, right?
 
Isn't that what we all did?



I don't know about this.

They're newbs, not *necessarily* psyho's and 'tards, right?

By the reference to tards I assume you are referring the slang for retard which in itself is incorrect terminology, check the oxford English coz it sure as hell doesn't mean stupid.
What I mean is that by sheer romantic naivety and getting swept up in the idea some will put themselves at risk.
It is as essential for a Dom to learn how to be safe and yet push the boundaries as it is for a new sub to enter training and know that hard limits can be set.
There are plenty of people who will jump in and think later.
 
By the reference to tards I assume you are referring the slang for retard which in itself is incorrect terminology, check the oxford English coz it sure as hell doesn't mean stupid.

From the OED:

noun
Pronunciation: /ˈrēˌtärd/
offensive
a mentally handicapped person (often used as a general term of abuse).

What I mean is that by sheer romantic naivety and getting swept up in the idea some will put themselves at risk.
It is as essential for a Dom to learn how to be safe and yet push the boundaries as it is for a new sub to enter training and know that hard limits can be set.
There are plenty of people who will jump in and think later.

I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Maybe because I haven't read the book and am unaware of it's mind altering powers. It seems to me that these people should be as able to reason out how to proceed and deal with the consequences as we were when we were first inspired to explore. None of us were born with a whip in our hands, no matter how much we'd like to believe it.
 
It seems like the forbidden fruit, someone has opened the door to the mainstream audience, made it seem exciting, exotic and desireable. A wonderful ad campaign that just about scratches the surface.
I would suggest a read, but its not worth the £5. ;)
Bear in mind very few read erotic fiction, let alone anything alluding to be BSDM, so suddenly it seems accessible, normalised, safe and yes I am hearing facebook friends talking about jumping in, which knowing some of these people, alarms the hell out of me!
 
It seems like the forbidden fruit, someone has opened the door to the mainstream audience, made it seem exciting, exotic and desireable. A wonderful ad campaign that just about scratches the surface.
I would suggest a read, but its not worth the £5. ;)
Bear in mind very few read erotic fiction, let alone anything alluding to be BSDM, so suddenly it seems accessible, normalised, safe and yes I am hearing facebook friends talking about jumping in, which knowing some of these people, alarms the hell out of me!

I would see the FB postings as a good opportunity to jump in and offer some SSC advice. Even without outing oneself, it wouldn't be hard to say something to the effect of "I was browsing for stuff on BDSM on Amazon and found <example of SSC instructive non-fiction book>."

I think more women read erotic-ish fiction that we assume. Bodice rippers sell well. Hell, Laurell Hamilton hits bestseller status with each new book, and they're mostly moderate erotica and precious little plot, these days.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...ades-of-gray/2012/06/14/gJQAXFalqV_story.html
I hear it from my female students. Women feel used and ignored, and if you read “Fifty Shades” with this in mind, what you see, beyond the adolescent-level sex scenes, is a man lavishing an astonishing amount of attention on a woman. That’s what women are responding to, that little crumb of hope for respect and control, packaged for us by the male-geek-dominated tech world in the Kindles and the felicitously named “Nook” machines that helpfully confer anonymity in public, no book jacket visible, to better hide our shame.

Gene: Not sure I buy that.

Gina: You’re not the target audience, dude.

And, my dear friends, neither are we the target audience.
 
My concern is that many will read these books and will emotionally invest in the idea of a bsdm relationship without having the faintest clue as to what is really involved. I predict an influx of wannabes both D and s who quite literally will end up causing real harm through lack of training, understanding and knowledge. Hey ho!

This kind of thing happens all the time. Back when the do-it-yourself home repair show This Old House, first started up, all manner of people decided they could tear apart their houses and put them back together looking better. Most of them screwed up, built slanted walls and installed sinks that weren't level. A few probably put Sawz-all blades through their legs or drilled holes in their toes. Last I checked, though, civilization is still going pretty strong (well, as long as you ignore Mississippi).
 
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