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ll74 said:
Russia is demanding new elections in the negotiations.

Ukraine decides that, not Russia. The issue is that elections are tough when you're being bombed...hence the state of emergency declaration. All they would need to do is withdraw and elections would be set.
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I guess they want to deal with someone other than Zelenskyy.
 
ll74 said:
Russia is demanding new elections in the negotiations.

Ukraine decides that, not Russia. The issue is that elections are tough when you're being bombed...hence the state of emergency declaration. All they would need to do is withdraw and elections would be set.
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No, Zelensky decides, that's the problem. He knows he will be dumped if he runs for office at this point.
 
Rightguide said:
No, Zelensky decides, that's the problem. He knows he will be dumped if he runs for office at this point.
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If Ukrainians demanded an election, they'd get one. They haven't.

Zelensky doesn't decide, the Constitution decides.
 
colddiesel said:
Thank you for your concern for my education. I was educated by taking part in two significant military evacuations during my army career. I will just make a couple of points: 1. get the media cleared out first if possible because they always prefer to report the bad bits. Telling them their safety cannot be guaranteed gets rid of most, distractions and discouragement can be arranged for those remaining. 2. Put on a major fear and awe display for the locals immediately before departure; it's best for their own safety for them to be terrified and lock themselves away indoors. 3. Take home everything that can be taken and destroy (spectacularly if possible) absolutely everything left behind. Better still include some of the property/personnel of the insurgents hoping to replace you.

Both evacuations followed these principles; a few hotheads were killed but there was almost no negative reporting/record of events.

It's time you got over Biden Laz The best thing he did was to select a pretty good cabinet, after that he was increasingly pathetic - an old man past his use-by date. Time to look to the future, the more you dwell on the past the more opportunities you give the MAGA trash to snipe at you.
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Consider the unique challenges when President Biden took office in regards to Afghanistan and soooooo much more.( It seems like you do NOT know the details of the FUBAR situation the orange traitor left for President Biden - hence the “educate yourself” comment.)

President Biden’s administration and our brilliant service members executed the withdrawal from Afghanistan magnificently; full stop.

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WTF?!

Ukraine not invited to peace talks!

Kyiv has not been invited to talks between the US and Russia aimed at ending the war in Ukraine, a senior Ukrainian government source has told the BBC.

The US special envoy to Ukraine Keith Kellogg had said Kyiv would be involved in this week's talks in Saudi Arabia, but the source said no delegation would be present.

European leaders have also not been asked to join the discussions, and are due to meet instead on Monday in Paris at a summit hastily arranged by the French president, as fears grow the continent is being locked out of negotiations.

The separate meetings follow a turbulent week where Washington has signalled a drastic change in its approach to the war in Ukraine.

The White House's Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff confirmed he was travelling to Saudi Arabia on Sunday evening for the first face-to-face talks between the US and Russia towards ending the conflict.

US President Donald Trump revealed on Sunday that Witkoff had met with Putin already "for a very extended period, like about three hours".

Witkoff, a billionaire real estate developer and friend of Trump, was in Moscow this week to secure the release of a US teacher imprisoned on charges of marijuana possession.

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio and National Security Advisor Mike Waltz are also set to meet Russian negotiators in Saudi Arabia, less than a week after Trump held a phone call with Russia's leader Vladimir Putin.
 
Rightguide said:
No, Zelensky decides, that's the problem. He knows he will be dumped if he runs for office at this point.
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Incorrect. The Ukrainian Constitution expressly forbids elections during a war. Zelensky is President for the duration. The next election will be after the war is over. Just as it was in the UK in WW2. You just do not do elections during an existential war for survival. That's the way it is.

I'm afraid Trump is way out to lunch on this one. He's now blaming Ukraine for starting this war and that's just sick.
 
ChloeTzang said:
Incorrect. The Ukrainian Constitution expressly forbids elections during a war. Zelensky is President for the duration. The next election will be after the war is over. Just as it was in the UK in WW2.
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Zelensky has said if the people demand an election, he will consider it. Hard to do when people can't get to the polls.
 
ll74 said:
Zelensky has said if the people demand an election, he will consider it. Hard to do when people can't get to the polls.
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Exactly. And over a million voters in the military and a few million more as refugees or in the occupied territories.
 
Russia is introducing donkey's to the Russian Army. Meanwhile in Ukraine.....

UKR ARMO TECH’s debut participation at the IDEX 2025 arms exhibition is showcasing the UAT.GYURZA-02 - ready to compete in the highly competitive MRAP market. Unlike foreign alternatives, Ukrainian solutions inherently possess an advantage because they survived natural selection in the most intense and bloody conflict since World War II. The Gyurza is an armored 4x4 all-wheel-drive vehicle currently used by the Armed Forces, National Guard, and State Border Guard Service of Ukraine.

UKR ARMO TECH is capable of producing hundreds of Gyurza-02 class vehicles, alongside other models like the armored combat vehicle TISA, also showcased at IDEX-2025.

https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_an...r_armo_tech_premieres_at_idex_2025-13580.html
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President Trump’s Masterclass: Blundering A Ukraine Peace Deal​

I'd have been a bit more impolite myself. He's fucked it up and there will be no peace deal.

Over the past week, the Trump administration has begun outlining its approach to brokering an end to the Russia-Ukraine war. These ideas have raised consternation in Kyiv and among U.S. allies in Europe, however, Moscow seemed elated. Administration officials have made basic negotiating errors when rolling out their approach that, left uncorrected, will doom their bid to end the war.

Trump’s first call on ending the war went to Putin. It should have gone to Zelensky. Ukraine has been a U.S. partner for thirty years, while Putin has made Russia an adversary of America. Ukraine is the aggrieved party, the victim of Russian neo-imperialist aggression. Trump should have talked to Zelensky first to understand where Kyiv has flexibility and where it does not. Trump’s second set of calls should have gone to senior European leaders, whom he wants to provide military force to back up any deal that he brokers. It would have been smarter not to surprise them with a string of abrupt U.S. policy changes. Trump should have waited to call Putin until after completing these conversations. His inexplicable eagerness to engage weakens his hand with his Russian counterpart. Trump also should have gathered leverage with Putin before calling the Russian leader, who shows readiness to discuss only his terms for Ukraine’s capitulation.

Seeing as Ukraine’s need for American support gives Washington plenty of leverage with Kyiv. Trump has ample ways to build that leverage: ask Congress to approve new military assistance for Ukraine, work with the G7 to transfer frozen Central Russian Bank assets to a fund for Ukraine, and tighten sanctions on Russia. Thus far, he has taken none of these steps. The Trump administration’s shambolic efforts took a turn for the worse over the weekend, when Washington announced that Secretary of State Marco Rubio would meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov to discuss, among other things, the Russia-Ukraine war without Ukraine at the table. Putin would like nothing more than to engage Trump in a bilateral negotiation to settle the war and on Europe’s broader security architecture, ideally, one-on-one, in which he could cajole and manipulate Trump.

If his mediating effort is to work, Trump would do well to remember that Zelensky must agree to the terms. On February 16, Zelensky said he would “never accept” a settlement reached by just the United States and Russia. Ukrainians are ready to continue fighting rather than consent to a fait accompli negotiated over their heads. The administration’s opening miscues make it unlikely that it can broker a just and durable end to the war, in which case, Ukraine will just keep on fighting.

Trump would do well to remember that Ukrainians and the Ukrainian military picked up whatever weapons they had and fought the Russians to a standstill in 2022. The Ukrainian military is now exponentially stronger and gaining strength with each week that passes. They've made mistakes, but they're learning and reorganizing, their defense industry is continually expanding and has a lot of underutilized capacity. Those Gyurza MRAP's above are a good example - being produced in the hundreds now - the company can manufacture 2000 of these annually now - and this is only one company. There are all sorts of others producing everything from these to mortars to artillery and now Lynx's and Fuch's as well as ammo - the joys of capitalism at work. The EU is also scaling up and Rheinmetall in particular is all in.

Nope. Trump has his blinkers on, he's gone down the wrong track from the start and he needs an immediate change of course if he hopes to succeed. He won't make it - he's too full of himself - and the end result will be his peace agreement with Putin will be a piece of paper that only Trump and Putin take any notice of. Ukraine will keep fighting with European backing, and possibly with the EU buying weapons and munitions from the USA for Ukraine. But in the meantime, Trump will have antagonized a lot of people and countries for no good reason.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/president-trumps-masterclass-blundering-a-ukraine-peace-deal
 
ChloeTzang said:

President Trump’s Masterclass: Blundering A Ukraine Peace Deal​

I'd have been a bit more impolite myself. He's fucked it up and there will be no peace deal.

Over the past week, the Trump administration has begun outlining its approach to brokering an end to the Russia-Ukraine war. These ideas have raised consternation in Kyiv and among U.S. allies in Europe, however, Moscow seemed elated. Administration officials have made basic negotiating errors when rolling out their approach that, left uncorrected, will doom their bid to end the war.

Trump’s first call on ending the war went to Putin. It should have gone to Zelensky. Ukraine has been a U.S. partner for thirty years, while Putin has made Russia an adversary of America. Ukraine is the aggrieved party, the victim of Russian neo-imperialist aggression. Trump should have talked to Zelensky first to understand where Kyiv has flexibility and where it does not. Trump’s second set of calls should have gone to senior European leaders, whom he wants to provide military force to back up any deal that he brokers. It would have been smarter not to surprise them with a string of abrupt U.S. policy changes. Trump should have waited to call Putin until after completing these conversations. His inexplicable eagerness to engage weakens his hand with his Russian counterpart. Trump also should have gathered leverage with Putin before calling the Russian leader, who shows readiness to discuss only his terms for Ukraine’s capitulation.

Seeing as Ukraine’s need for American support gives Washington plenty of leverage with Kyiv. Trump has ample ways to build that leverage: ask Congress to approve new military assistance for Ukraine, work with the G7 to transfer frozen Central Russian Bank assets to a fund for Ukraine, and tighten sanctions on Russia. Thus far, he has taken none of these steps. The Trump administration’s shambolic efforts took a turn for the worse over the weekend, when Washington announced that Secretary of State Marco Rubio would meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov to discuss, among other things, the Russia-Ukraine war without Ukraine at the table. Putin would like nothing more than to engage Trump in a bilateral negotiation to settle the war and on Europe’s broader security architecture, ideally, one-on-one, in which he could cajole and manipulate Trump.

If his mediating effort is to work, Trump would do well to remember that Zelensky must agree to the terms. On February 16, Zelensky said he would “never accept” a settlement reached by just the United States and Russia. Ukrainians are ready to continue fighting rather than consent to a fait accompli negotiated over their heads. The administration’s opening miscues make it unlikely that it can broker a just and durable end to the war, in which case, Ukraine will just keep on fighting.

Trump would do well to remember that Ukrainians and the Ukrainian military picked up whatever weapons they had and fought the Russians to a standstill in 2022. The Ukrainian military is now exponentially stronger and gaining strength with each week that passes. They've made mistakes, but they're learning and reorganizing, their defense industry is continually expanding and has a lot of underutilized capacity. Those Gyurza MRAP's above are a good example - being produced in the hundreds now - the company can manufacture 2000 of these annually now - and this is only one company. There are all sorts of others producing everything from these to mortars to artillery and now Lynx's and Fuch's as well as ammo - the joys of capitalism at work. The EU is also scaling up and Rheinmetall in particular is all in.

Nope. Trump has his blinkers on, he's gone down the wrong track from the start and he needs an immediate change of course if he hopes to succeed. He won't make it - he's too full of himself - and the end result will be his peace agreement with Putin will be a piece of paper that only Trump and Putin take any notice of. Ukraine will keep fighting with European backing, and possibly with the EU buying weapons and munitions from the USA for Ukraine. But in the meantime, Trump will have antagonized a lot of people and countries for no good reason.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/president-trumps-masterclass-blundering-a-ukraine-peace-deal
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The issue is that he assumes that 47 cares about Ukraine at all. It's just another transaction for him. There's not a single ally or adversary that means anything to him....his ego won't allow that.
 
ll74 said:
The issue is that he assumes that 47 cares about Ukraine at all. It's just another transaction for him. There's not a single ally or adversary that means anything to him....his ego won't allow that.
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Yep, I agree. And he's gone whacko on this one. The latest is that Erdogan of all people has now come firmly down on Ukraine's side. They have a lot going on between Ukraine and Turkey and we could be seeing a regional alliance in the making here that will dominate the Black Sea and the Caucasus in the future

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Trump can suck on this one and fuck him and the horse he rode in on....

European aid is structured differently to US aid packages - 5 billion in European weapons will be a lot more then a 5 billion dollar package from the US because most of it won't be spent on replacing the stockpiles but on new purchases for Ukraine

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I think Trump has actually succeeded in galvanizing Europe into life..... 700 billion Euro's!!!! No wonder European defense stocks are climbing.

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Hitting the news now.....

EU considers historic € 700 billion aid package for Ukraine as Trump signals reduction in Kyiv’s support​

The European Union is reportedly preparing a multibillion-euro aid package for the purchase of military equipment for Ukraine with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock provided an insight into its scale, stating that the amount could reach approximately €700 billion, according to Berliner Zeitung. The new package could be financed through joint borrowing by EU member states, a mechanism previously tested during the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/02...-as-trump-signals-reduction-in-kyivs-support/
 

Is Putin stringing Trump along? US right-wingers turn on deal while Ukrainians say 'they'll fight to the death' as bombs rain down on civilians​


LOL. Yes indeedy! American right-wingers have begun turning on US president Donald Trump's Ukraine deal currently being negotiated with Russia, defiantly saying that despot Vladimir Putin is a 'war criminal who should be in jail for the rest of his life.' This is 100% correct!!!!! Trump's allies in the Republican Party have now begun turning on him. Senate Armed Services Chairman Roger Wicker told CNN when asked whether Putin can be trusted during negotiations: 'No. Putin is a war criminal who should be in jail for the rest of his life, if not executed.' He added that the Russians will try to do 'anything to their advantage'. A congressional official backed Wicker's comments, telling NBC: 'We have zero intelligence that Putin is interested in a real peace deal right now.'

Nope, Trump's delusional on Ukraine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-theyll-fight-death-bombs-rain-civilians.html
 
ChloeTzang said:

Is Putin stringing Trump along? US right-wingers turn on deal while Ukrainians say 'they'll fight to the death' as bombs rain down on civilians​


LOL. Yes indeedy! American right-wingers have begun turning on US president Donald Trump's Ukraine deal currently being negotiated with Russia, defiantly saying that despot Vladimir Putin is a 'war criminal who should be in jail for the rest of his life.' This is 100% correct!!!!! Trump's allies in the Republican Party have now begun turning on him. Senate Armed Services Chairman Roger Wicker told CNN when asked whether Putin can be trusted during negotiations: 'No. Putin is a war criminal who should be in jail for the rest of his life, if not executed.' He added that the Russians will try to do 'anything to their advantage'. A congressional official backed Wicker's comments, telling NBC: 'We have zero intelligence that Putin is interested in a real peace deal right now.'

Nope, Trump's delusional on Ukraine.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-theyll-fight-death-bombs-rain-civilians.html
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He's delusional on everything because it's always about himself.

This should provide leverage to Ukraine and get them to the table. Truly up to Putin who is also delusional because it's always about himself.
 
Poignant (sorry, didn't realize it was limited to non subscribers)
From the Dispatch - Rooting for Laundry, Patriotism in an age of villainy
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/donald-trump-patriotism-america-2/
The problem, per the Telegraph, is that the terms offered to Zelensky were tantamount to loan-sharking. In return for the $175 billion in support we’ve given, the White House is demanding the equivalent of $500 billion in mineral rights, access to ports, control over infrastructure—the “U.S. economic colonization of Ukraine, in legal perpetuity,” in short. Author Ambrose Evans-Pritchard called it “a burden of reparations that cannot possibly be achieved” and compared it unfavorably to the penalties paid by the Axis powers after World War II and even to the notoriously draconian burden placed on Germany after World War I
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Using Ukraine’s fight for national survival as a pretext for an unprecedented shakedown is cartoonish villainy, like withholding an organ transplant from a dying man until he signs his children into slavery. But Trump isn’t letting up: On Tuesday Fox News reported that the U.S. and Russia will propose a three-step peace process requiring a new presidential election in Ukraine, an obvious ploy to unseat Zelensky and have him replaced with a Russian stooge who’ll capitulate to Moscow.
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