For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Fuzzy1975]

Yes, he saw it as a way to give the US a vested interest to have boots on the ground. He failed to account for Trump's lack of ethics and his transactional approach.

And you're just understand that now???????????

Fucking idiot........

 

[Rightguide]

I don't see any chance of Russia actually overrruning Ukraine at all here. And with the scale of this war, EU boots on the ground would be next to useless. The only armies big enough are Poland and Finland, and neither of those will go in.

I don't think that was ever the intention as the Russian army isn't large enough to move beyond the Dnieper River. Ukraine is simply to big.

 

[DeluxAuto]

The felon officially aligns the US himself with Putin Russia.

 

[Rightguide]

The First Draft of the Ukraine War’s History​

Washington’s policy-makers showed themselves more wicked and feckless than their Vietnam- and Iraq-era predecessors.
Featured in the February 2025 issue

Scott McConnell
Feb 19, 202512:12 PM

Provoked is a monumental work, an essential guide to understanding how the United States and Russia came to face off in an horrific bloodletting on Russia’s border a generation after the Soviet Union abandoned communism. Scott Horton seems to have read every published English-language source bearing on the deterioration of Washington’s relationship with Moscow, and has produced an acerbic, polemical, factually dense first draft of history.

His book is long (more than 1,200 pages in the Kindle edition), and would have benefited from forceful editing. He could have pinpointed more emphatically critical tipping points. Assuming there are diplomatic historians in decades to come, those with access to classified governmental records will produce more comprehensive and nuanced accounts. Still, Provoked is a book America needs now—for its scathing portrayal of a bipartisan Washington establishment that propelled the march towards a war which has wrecked Ukraine and resulted in an estimated million military casualties on both sides.

There are many threads leading to the collapse of the mutual good feelings that American and Russian leaders entertained for several years after the Soviet Union began to disband the Warsaw Pact in 1989. Horton relates how the U.S. and NATO threw military weight around in the Balkans (its military intervention against Serbia over its province of Kosovo exposed the hypocrisy of Washington’s professed respect for the sanctity of borders), supported radical Muslim Chechen rebels within Russia, and gave financial and political backing to various “color revolutions” in the former Soviet states, most with the unveiled intention of spreading regime-change “democracy” in the Russian Federation itself.

The strong continuous thread running through the entirety of Horton’s narrative is Washington’s insistence that NATO expand into the states of former Soviet empire and keep expanding, despite consistent warnings from Russian diplomats, European leaders, and the crème de la crème of American regional and foreign policy experts that such expansion would lead inevitably to conflict. NATO expansion was not the policy of “the best and the brightest”—David Halberstam’s sardonic phrase for the elites who led America into Vietnam. In this case the best and the brightest were divided, but predominantly opposed.

Much more here: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-first-draft-of-the-ukraine-wars-history/

 

[ll74]

Hey dipshit, what's your solution? You don't have one!!!

I never have said that i did, dipshit. What I've said is that Ukraine is our ally and they are needed at the negotiating table.
Unless they are any solution is horseshit.

Biden fucked up Afghanistan, tried to fuck up Israel and has definitely fucked up Ukraine.

Irrelevant

All those fuckups stem from Biden's feckless foreign policy. I didn't defend Trump dipshit, I wrote that Trump fucked up blaming Zelensky for starting the war. What pisses me of is you just refuse to stop licking Biden's ass. The initiative for an outright win has passed, time to talk. Did Biden attempt to talk? The only talk from Biden's mouth was maybe it's only a minor incursion, and how'd that work out.

Quit complaining about Biden.

2 1/2 years ago I wrote "in for the penny in for the pound". Either get all in or get out. Biden dragged his feet at the worst possible time. Shit his pants when Putin threatened nukes. Biden didn't want to escalate the war while the Russians invaded with hundreds of thousands of troops. Putin was already escalating and Biden was napping. I remember in the beginning, mile long columns stranded mostly because of Putin's arrogance. Ukraine's best chance was then. Taking out those columns then! Europeans were also napping. How long did it take Germany to send tanks.

Your entire schtick is complaints about Biden.
Fuck off.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine is ongoing. Biden is no longer the President.
47 is capitulating to Russia.

Stop discussing Biden and comment on the actual present day.

 

[Lazaran]

The felon officially aligns the US himself with Putin Russia.

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But, nooooo, DonOld isn’t Putin’s puppet and doesn’t collude with Putin and the Russians…





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Lazaran]

The First Draft of the Ukraine War’s History​

Washington’s policy-makers showed themselves more wicked and feckless than their Vietnam- and Iraq-era predecessors.
Featured in the February 2025 issue

Scott McConnell
Feb 19, 202512:12 PM

Provoked is a monumental work, an essential guide to understanding how the United States and Russia came to face off in an horrific bloodletting on Russia’s border a generation after the Soviet Union abandoned communism. Scott Horton seems to have read every published English-language source bearing on the deterioration of Washington’s relationship with Moscow, and has produced an acerbic, polemical, factually dense first draft of history.

His book is long (more than 1,200 pages in the Kindle edition), and would have benefited from forceful editing. He could have pinpointed more emphatically critical tipping points. Assuming there are diplomatic historians in decades to come, those with access to classified governmental records will produce more comprehensive and nuanced accounts. Still, Provoked is a book America needs now—for its scathing portrayal of a bipartisan Washington establishment that propelled the march towards a war which has wrecked Ukraine and resulted in an estimated million military casualties on both sides.

There are many threads leading to the collapse of the mutual good feelings that American and Russian leaders entertained for several years after the Soviet Union began to disband the Warsaw Pact in 1989. Horton relates how the U.S. and NATO threw military weight around in the Balkans (its military intervention against Serbia over its province of Kosovo exposed the hypocrisy of Washington’s professed respect for the sanctity of borders), supported radical Muslim Chechen rebels within Russia, and gave financial and political backing to various “color revolutions” in the former Soviet states, most with the unveiled intention of spreading regime-change “democracy” in the Russian Federation itself.

The strong continuous thread running through the entirety of Horton’s narrative is Washington’s insistence that NATO expand into the states of former Soviet empire and keep expanding, despite consistent warnings from Russian diplomats, European leaders, and the crème de la crème of American regional and foreign policy experts that such expansion would lead inevitably to conflict. NATO expansion was not the policy of “the best and the brightest”—David Halberstam’s sardonic phrase for the elites who led America into Vietnam. In this case the best and the brightest were divided, but predominantly opposed.

Much more here: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-first-draft-of-the-ukraine-wars-history/

Putin and Russia thank Russiaguide for their aid and comfort in propagating Putin’s and Russia’s propaganda.



Russiaguide is a traitorous POS.



JFC

Sad!!!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Norway Allocates €300 Million to Buy Weapons from Ukraine’s Defense Industry​

The Norwegian government will allocate NOK 3.5 billion (€300 million) for the purchase of military equipment for Ukraine from the Ukrainian defense industry. In addition, Norway is allocating an additional NOK 600 million (€51.5 million) for the purchase of various types of drones and financing the development of unmanned technologies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. “By purchasing military equipment directly from Ukraine, we are helping to increase the country’s production capacity, which is an important component of our military support,” Jonas Gahr Støresaid. In total, in 2025, the Norwegian government plans to provide Ukraine with military assistance worth about €2 billion and about €1 billion in humanitarian support.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/norway-al...-buy-weapons-from-ukraine-s-defense-industry/

 

[icanhelp1]

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Also
Sweden - 1.8 billion
Denmark - 280 million
Norway - €300 Million

I can’t verify these numbers but;

Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response, and $10.6 billion was allocated for other, primarily humanitarian, purposes.

I understand your concern for Ukraine but it’s not fair to minimize what the American people have already contributed to the Ukraine cause and did not get a penny back. These app bills were sanctioned by both Dems and pubs.

Trump is still committed to Ukraine sovereignty.

The backstop will be the U.S.

 

[Rightguide]

I never have said that i did, dipshit. What I've said is that Ukraine is our ally and they are needed at the negotiating table.
Unless they are any solution is horseshit.


Irrelevant


Quit complaining about Biden.


Your entire schtick is complaints about Biden.
Fuck off.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine is ongoing. Biden is no longer the President.
47 is capitulating to Russia.

Stop discussing Biden and comment on the actual present day.

Here, once again, 1174 proves himself to be selective reality enthusiast and a Loyal disciple of ignorance.

 

[icanhelp1]

Here, once again, 1174 proves himself to be selective reality enthusiast and a Loyal disciple of ignorance.

It’s the *don’t look behind the curtain* or you’ll see Bush, Obama and Biden. But it’s all Trump’s fault. If Trump cured cancer democrats would chastise him for putting oncologist out of work.

 

[Politruk]

No wonder Russia needs Trump to surrender Ukraine, Russia isn’t going to last much longer. It doesn’t look good for Russia, between their crippled economy, loss of soldiers, and their ever evaporating Soviet stockpiles.

Ukraine cannot outlast Russia. It's a matter of sheer size.

 

[Politruk]

Norway Allocates €300 Million to Buy Weapons from Ukraine’s Defense Industry​

The Norwegian government will allocate NOK 3.5 billion (€300 million) for the purchase of military equipment for Ukraine from the Ukrainian defense industry. In addition, Norway is allocating an additional NOK 600 million (€51.5 million) for the purchase of various types of drones and financing the development of unmanned technologies for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. “By purchasing military equipment directly from Ukraine, we are helping to increase the country’s production capacity, which is an important component of our military support,” Jonas Gahr Støresaid. In total, in 2025, the Norwegian government plans to provide Ukraine with military assistance worth about €2 billion and about €1 billion in humanitarian support.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/norway-al...-buy-weapons-from-ukraine-s-defense-industry/

Why is any weapons industry in Ukraine selling to foreigners? Don't they need all the weapons they can make for the war?

 

[Politruk]

Trump is still committed to Ukraine sovereignty.

Lie.

 

[ll74]

Here, once again, 1174 proves himself to be selective reality enthusiast and a Loyal disciple of ignorance.

Suck more Putin cock

 

[Lazaran]

I can’t verify these numbers but;

Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response, and $10.6 billion was allocated for other, primarily humanitarian, purposes.

I understand your concern for Ukraine but it’s not fair to minimize what the American people have already contributed to the Ukraine cause and did not get a penny back. These app bills were sanctioned by both Dems and pubs.

Trump is still committed to Ukraine sovereignty.

The backstop will be the U.S.

https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers

Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?​

By Gabriel DeLuca Vinocur·December 8, 2024

Yes​

Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.



Hole that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

 

[ChloeTzang]

Why is any weapons industry in Ukraine selling to foreigners? Don't they need all the weapons they can make for the war?

It's a wording thing that loses in the translation. Norway is funding the Ukrainian defense industry to build weapons for Ukraine. What's happened is the Ukrainian defense industries have more capacity than they have funding to buy stuff from those industries, so countries like Norway and Denmark are fronting up funding and paying Ukrainian factories to manufacture weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine cannot outlast Russia. It's a matter of sheer size.

That's the thing - work back thru a few of my past posts and it's happening. Russian industry is losing capacity, Russian economy is on the verge of imploding, men to mobilize has peaked and is dropping, Ukraine is getting better and better at killing Russians, Russian oil industry is gettung beaten up every second day, Russian air defences are being whittled away, armor is almost gone, logistics is down to donkeys, they're selling gold by the ton ..... Russian Army is getting worse while Ukraine's is getting better.....

Russia has peaked....the initiative is with Ukraine now, if you look at what's happening. All Russia has is human waves, and Ukraine is now neutralizing them and making effective localized counterattacks. Putin's only hope is for Trump to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.....

 

[Lazaran]

That's the thing - work back thru a few of my past posts and it's happening. Russian industry is losing capacity, Russian economy is on the verge of imploding, men to mobilize has peaked and is dropping, Ukraine is getting better and better at killing Russians, Russian oil industry is gettung beaten up every second day, Russian air defences are being whittled away, armor is almost gone, logistics is down to donkeys, they're selling gold by the ton ..... Russian Army is getting worse while Ukraine's is getting better.....

Russia has peaked....the initiative is with Ukraine now, if you look at what's happening. All Russia has is human waves, and Ukraine is now neutralizing them and making effective localized counterattacks. Putin's only hope is for Trump to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.....

And right on cue, President Musk (and DonOld) are going to save Putin / Russia.

Meanwhile:

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang VOTED FOR President Musk (and DonOld).



Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang



Also:

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[icanhelp1]

https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers

Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?​

By Gabriel DeLuca Vinocur·December 8, 2024

Yes​

Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.



Hole that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

Examples include the Presidential Drawdown Authority, the Foreign Military Financing Program and the Ukraine Security Assistant Initiative. The PDA arms Ukraine and pays U.S. companies for replenishing that armament. The FMF generates greater demand for U.S. firms by encouraging foreign countries to buy weapons from those firms. The USAI provides intelligence and logistical support to Ukraine, often through contracts with U.S. firms. Additional aid is spent on strengthening U.S. military presence abroad.

Really? The American taxpayer is still paying for replenishment and Intelligence support. The final product still ends up in Ukraine. Shoring up Poland and the Baltics is still expenditures that we would not normally have. This allows these countries to send MILITARY aid to Ukraine. FFS MORE TDS!

 

[Lazaran]

Examples include the Presidential Drawdown Authority, the Foreign Military Financing Program and the Ukraine Security Assistant Initiative. The PDA arms Ukraine and pays U.S. companies for replenishing that armament. The FMF generates greater demand for U.S. firms by encouraging foreign countries to buy weapons from those firms. The USAI provides intelligence and logistical support to Ukraine, often through contracts with U.S. firms. Additional aid is spent on strengthening U.S. military presence abroad.

Really? The American taxpayer is still paying for replenishment and Intelligence support. The final product still ends up in Ukraine. Shoring up Poland and the Baltics is still expenditures that we would not normally have. This allows these countries to send MILITARY aid to Ukraine. FFS MORE TDS!

ineedhelp1 obviously struggles with facts / the truth…



One more time:

https://econofact.org/factbrief/does-most-u-s-aid-to-ukraine-go-to-u-s-companies-and-workers

Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?​

By Gabriel DeLuca Vinocur·December 8, 2024

Yes​

Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.



Hole that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

Hope that ^ helps.



ineedhelp1

 

[jomar]

I wouldn't call it extortion. A return on investment for the American people. 37 trillion in debt.

Seriously? Go back and take a look at trump’s proposed contrast including the time given to review it

 

[Politruk]

Putin's only hope is for Trump to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.....

He will. No one else in the whole world can depend on Trump, but Putin can.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The felon officially aligns the US himself with Putin Russia.

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The United States just VOTED WITH RUSSIA, NORTH KOREA, BELARUS and SUDAN!!! Against our European DEMOCRATIC allies at the United Nations!

Trump REFUSED to say Russia invaded Ukraine and that it should withdraw from Ukraine.

Guess I'm gonna have to hold my nose and vote Democrat in 2028. I really absolutely 100% never imagined that Trump could sink this low. Mind you, Biden/Harris vs Trump? Jeez, why couldn't the Democrats at least have fielded a decent middle-of-the-road candidate. I really hope they can in 2028.

 

[Politruk]

Guess I'm gonna have to hold my nose and vote Democrat in 2028. I really absolutely 100% never imagined that Trump could sink this low. Mind you, Biden/Harris vs Trump? Jeez, why couldn't the Democrats at least have fielded a decent middle-of-the-road candidate.

You can't get more centrist than Biden/Harris.