For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Ok, I'll be the bigger man and let you have the last word....as I said before....

How exciting for you.

 

[icanhelp1]

They have not started in earnest yet, Trump has spoken to Putin, he's spoken to Zelensky, and he's spoken to key European leaders on how to procede.

This is TDS on steroids. Trump is the only one who has taken the initiative for peace. It's his game right now. If he chooses to speak to Putin first, so be it! The first thing that has to happen to better Ukraine's future is to stop the bloodshed. Trump talking to Putin doesn't mean capitulation. Nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes. Trump is trying to create a shared economic interest with Ukraine, one that would benefit both sides. Donbas region will, imho, remain in Russian hands. Concessions will have to be made on both sides. As this war continues it's Ukraine's infrastructure that is being pulverized.

So many mistakes were made in the last 2 decades and most were the failures by the Western alliances to stand up to the Russians., Donbas and Crimea for example. Capitulation to the Russians was happening long before the start of Ukraine war.

Germany suddenly pulling their collective heads out their asses, IMPLYING the US could be an unreliable partner is galling when Germany was warned about being too dependent on Russian energy.

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes on how to proceed in Ukrainian peace talks. We have to know the positions of both sides to have those talks.

Exactly!!!

 

[Fuzzy1975]

. Trump is the only one who has taken the initiative for peace. It's his game right now.

You're a fucking idiot. You and Chloe should get a room. But damn, please don't have children....

 

[Rightguide]

For those who like to malign Donald Trump as being pro-Russian The left-leaning Brookings Institution says the following:


Commentary

On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia​

Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas​

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/trump_putin_handshake001.jpg?quality=75&w=1500


The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia from 2017 to 2019.

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Trump Administration actions on Russia​

Total number of policy actions: 52
*Policy actions in black, relevant events in red below.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

 

[icanhelp1]

You're a fucking idiot. You and Chloe should get a room. But damn, please don't have children....

Although I have enormous respect for Chloe we don't agree on many areas. However, that being said, she's genuine in her opinions and to be respected. You, on the other hand, fly somewhere in the exosphere with other members of the oxygen deprived galactically stupid.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

For those who like to malign Donald Trump as being pro-Russian The left-leaning Brookings Institution says the following:


Commentary

On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia​

Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas​

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/trump_putin_handshake001.jpg?quality=75&w=1500


The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia from 2017 to 2019.

​

Trump Administration actions on Russia​

Total number of policy actions: 52
*Policy actions in black, relevant events in red below.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

lol, you bring out an article from 2019 to explain Trump's behaviour today.....too fucking funny.....

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Although I have enormous respect for Chloe we don't agree on many areas.

What???? Bullshit, you two are in lock step, except for Ukraine.

Maybe I should go dig up how many of her post's you've liked....Mr "I don't carry water for Trump".

 

[icanhelp1]

For those who like to malign Donald Trump as being pro-Russian The left-leaning Brookings Institution says the following:


Commentary

On the record: The U.S. administration’s actions on Russia​

Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas​

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/trump_putin_handshake001.jpg?quality=75&w=1500


The Trump administration’s policy actions often seemed at odds with the President’s rhetoric. To set the record on policy actions, rather than rhetoric, Alina Polyakova and Filippos Letsas tracked the administration’s concrete actions on Russia from 2017 to 2019.

​

Trump Administration actions on Russia​

Total number of policy actions: 52
*Policy actions in black, relevant events in red below.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

I've often wrote that Trump smiles at Putin's face while kicking him in the balls. People don't know their history.

 

[icanhelp1]

What???? Bullshit, you two are in lock step, except for Ukraine.

Maybe I should go dig up how many of her post's you've liked....Mr "I don't carry water for Trump".

We're conversing about Ukraine you fucking ignoramus.

 

[RoryN]

I've often wrote

...racist stuff. We know.

I wonder if it's all those black daddies living by the 4 fs ( find them, feel them, fuck them, forget them ).

Post in thread 'The real badbabysitter finally revealed..' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/the-real-badbabysitter-finally-revealed.1504564/post-90980000

blacks have a higher propensity of violence than all races combined.

Post in thread 'If America Is Racist, Why Have Millions of Blacks Emigrated Here?' https://forum.literotica.com/thread...f-blacks-emigrated-here.1547263/post-93907526

I find that African Americans are more racist than white folks...I wouldn’t even think of walking a predominately black neighborhood, wouldn’t end well.

Post in thread 'White Officers in Minority Communities' https://forum.literotica.com/threads/white-officers-in-minority-communities.1525284/post-92435953

 

[Fuzzy1975]

We're conversing about Ukraine you fucking ignoramus.

Excuse me?

Although I have enormous respect for Chloe we don't agree on many areas.

Ok where exactly in the sentence above do you refer to Ukraine, and no I won't accept an answer that you give "because we're in a thread about Ukraine"

However, that being said, she's genuine in her opinions and to be respected.

Yah I've got about much respect for the cunt as I do for a cockroach.

You, on the other hand, fly somewhere in the exosphere with other members of the oxygen deprived galactically stupid.

lol.......I take this as a complement, coming from you.

 

[Rightguide]

Exactly!!!

All the left knows is their hate for Trump. It blocks their path to enlightenment on Ukraine and every other policy issue. No successful negotiation can begin with a blame game. Reports are the mineral deal is about to be signed. That will place an American interest in Ukraine that will contribute to its security as long as its footprint is economic and not military. Putin has just said he would accept European peacekeepers in Ukraine. That doesn't mean NATO forces. I said early on that Ukraine would be better served if it was neutral like Austria. That would assuage Russian security fears and allow for economic expansion and foreign investment that advances opportunity and prosperity for the Ukrainian people.

 

[Rightguide]

I've often wrote that Trump smiles at Putin's face while kicking him in the balls. People don't know their history.

They wall off their access to the truth with their hate.

 

[AlexBailey]

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/on-the-record-the-u-s-administrations-actions-on-russia/

That article provides a laundry list of why Russia is a bad actor that cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith.

… yet Trump takes Putin’s side in the Ukrainian conflict.

 

[Rightguide]

That article provides a laundry list of why Russia is a bad actor that cannot be trusted to negotiate in good faith.

… yet Trump takes Putin’s side in the Ukrainian conflict.

He isn't taking Putin's side you idiot, He's hammering out a deal to stop a continuing slaughter that you seem to be entirely invested in.

 

[ll74]

He isn't taking Putin's side you idiot, He's hammering out a deal to stop a continuing slaughter that you seem to be entirely invested in.

He is absolutely taking Putin's side. Word for word.

Ukraine started the war.
Zelensky is a dictator.
Ukraine must give up all the land they lost.

The only thing 47 has yet to say is discussing Nazis.

Not a single word about the kidnapped Ukranian children being returned.
Not a single word about Ukranian security.
Not a single word about Russian retreat from Ukraine territory.

There is not one single Ukranian position that has been publicly supported by 47.

 

[Rightguide]

He is absolutely taking Putin's side. Word for word.

Ukraine started the war.
Zelensky is a dictator.
Ukraine must give up all the land they lost.

The only thing 47 has yet to say is discussing Nazis.

Not a single word about the kidnapped Ukranian children being returned.
Not a single word about Ukranian security.
Not a single word about Russian retreat from Ukraine territory.

There is not one single Ukranian position that has been publicly supported by 47.

You are a liar. You have no clue what is happening in those negotiations, none.

 

[ll74]

You are a liar. You have no clue what is happening in those negotiations, none.

I am just repeating what has been publicly stated by the administration.

You are blinded by that 47 cock in your mouth.

 

[AlexBailey]

He isn't taking Putin's side you idiot, He's hammering out a deal to stop a continuing slaughter that you seem to be entirely invested in.

Oh? Who does Trump believe is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine?

 

[Rightguide]

I am just repeating what has been publicly stated by the administration.

You are blinded by that 47 cock in your mouth.

Your problem is a lack of experience, intelligence, and integrity.

 

[Rightguide]

Oh? Who does Trump believe is responsible for the invasion of Ukraine?

I can't speak for the President, but ask yourself what was happening in the Donbas just before the invasion?

 

[ll74]

Your problem is a lack of experience, intelligence, and integrity.

I am repeating what the administration has said publicly.

The only problem I have is a complete public dismissal of the Ukranian people in favor of Russian capitulation. Whether you believe there is a larger "plan" that results in our ally, Ukraine, having any demands met or not isn't my issue.

 

[Cogan]

I can't speak for the President, but ask yourself what was happening in the Donbas just before the invasion?

The Ukraine army tried to defend Donbas from Russian occupation since 2014!

 

[AlexBailey]

I can't speak for the President, but ask yourself what was happening in the Donbas just before the invasion?

You don’t have to speak for the president. He spoke for himself, yet you still seem willing to look the other way.

Sycophant: See @Rightguide