For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

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[Lazaran]

As Putin indulges in his Victory Day parade, this is his endgame in Ukraine​

Nice article from the UK's The Independant. Some snips....

Far from being worried by recent mini-threats from Donald Trump to increase sanctions or stung by the US president’s irritation at Russia’s stalling over a ceasefire, Putin is cupping his ears in a pantomime of attention and carrying on doing as he pleases. Such behaviour chimes with the uncharacteristically stark message from ex-spy chief Sir Alex Younger who, after a lifetime in the shadows of espionage, has a simple message: “If you don’t stand up to him, he comes back for more – how many more times do we need to be told this?”
Three years since the full-scale invasion by Moscow’s forces, Kyiv’s allies, as well as the US, appear muddled about whether Ukraine is losing, stuck in a stalemate, or could actually win. The evolution of Ukraine’s military since 2022 can be characterised by an initial period of daring incompetence followed by dashing success but, as Ukraine settled into dependency on Nato, this moved to failed incursions and subsequent longer-term despondency. This has led many in Europe, notably experienced Nato generals, to conclude that Ukraine will have to accept the loss of some of its land in return for peace, even as European nations rush to fill the gaps left by a newly unreliable former ally in Washington. The point they are missing is that Ukraine is now leading the world and winning the latest cutting-edge phase – the drone war.

Ukraine has received enough equipment from allies like the US, Britain, Germany, France and Poland to bleed Russia but not to win.

“Overall, the quality of their [Russian] force, especially their ground force, has been decreasing throughout the conflict,” the US general and Nato’s Supreme Allied Commander Europe, Christopher Cavoli, told the Senate defence committee in early April. “On the Ukrainian side, we see sort of the opposite. We see a military that started pretty much from an almost cold start. We had been helping them before the war, but not at the scale we began to after the war, and they’ve evolved and developed very, very quickly.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ry-day-parade-putin-ukraine-war-b2747837.html

Imagine if DonOld & the MAGAt republicans hadn’t interrupted aid for SIX MONTHS when Joe Biden was President, and if they had simply continued President Biden’s strategy once they took office. Russia may have already collapsed or significantly retreated in Ukraine.

Remember the success in Syria vs Isis when DonOld simply continued President Obama’s strategy???

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Imagine if DonOld & the MAGAt republicans hadn’t interrupted aid for SIX MONTHS when Joe Biden was President, and if they had simply continued President Biden’s strategy once they took office. Russia may have already collapsed or significantly retreated in Ukraine.

Remember the success in Syria vs Isis when DonOld simply continued President Obama’s strategy???

We. Told. Them. So.

LOL. Imagine if Biden had sent another 800 Bradleys, half a dozen Patriot systemsand those old 155mm guns and not stopped shipping ammo on some wild attempt to pressure Republicans on domestic US policy when he had all the funding to keep shipping that ammo.

 

[Lazaran]

LOL. Imagine if Biden had sent another 800 Bradleys, half a dozen Patriot systemsand those old 155mm guns and not stopped shipping ammo on some wild attempt to pressure Republicans on domestic US policy when he had all the funding to keep shipping that ammo.

President Biden’s strategy was working just fine, and sans DonOld & the MAGAt republicans’ obstruction (and recent outright betrayal) , would have produced a superior result. (Just like President Obama’s strategy worked / produced a superior result against ISIS.)

We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

President Biden’s strategy was working just fine, and sans DonOld & the MAGAt republicans’ obstruction (and recent outright betrayal) , would have produced a superior result. (Just like President Obama’s strategy worked / produced a superior result against ISIS.)

We. Told. Them. So.

LOL. Well, it worked better than El Donaldo's....

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This account is worth following on X. This thread basically says Putin is willing to talk and stall, but not willing to compromise on anything. No surprise.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921688268434764251

 

[ll74]

The question of the week - now that Zelensky called Putin's bluff (even after Putin refused the conditions Zelensky set),

Will
Putin
Show
Up?

 

[ChloeTzang]

The question of the week - now that Zelensky called Putin's bluff (even after Putin refused the conditions Zelensky set),

Will
Putin
Show
Up?

 

[Lazaran]

How do people not see:

The Europeans’ 30 day ceasefire plan and the Zelenskyy meeting with Putin in Turkey was / is ACTUALLY a trap for DonOld.

This was all designed to expose DonOld’s true loyalties / intentions./ commitment (or lack of) to the existing NATO / EU (etc) alliance.

It also boxes DonOld in somewhat. Everybody will be watching what DonOld says and does in response to Putin’s cynical, bad faith counter proposals and continued strikes on Ukrainian civilians and energy infrastructure.

DonOld is now a cockroach in a box under a spotlight. And DonOld’s response since the Europeans’ (including Ukraine) made their ceasefire proposal, etc, has been quite revealing (pathetic).



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[dmallord]

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Possibly with two drones instead of one being sent to Istanbul?

 

[ll74]

Putin isn't showing up

Zelensky should leave as well

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Putin is of course not going to Istanbul negotiations that he himself proposed: The Istanbul talks are probably the greatest political own goal in decades. Putin fell into his own trap and all what’s left is just nervous, political stuttering. It is also a disaster for everyone advocating that negotiations are needed to end the war (Trump, cough cough). This instance shows vividly that Putin has no interest in doing so. Every word coming out of this Russian KGB mouth is aimed to lie, delay and distract. With no strategic goal secured by Russia in this war, a ceasefire would be anyway more of a problem for Putin. Despite Russian armies bleeding to death on the battlefield, it is preferable for Putin to continue the fighting, since it is keeping people in Russia in line. Putin can only offer war. It is everything what’s left for him since the Russian army epically failed to take Kyiv, and war will continue for as long as Putin breathes. The Istanbul event exposes this once again.

These talks ain't goimg anywhere.......

The only real reason to have them is to pander to Trump's ego. And he's already givimg himself an out and hedging and prevaricating

 

[ll74]

Putin is of course not going to Istanbul negotiations that he himself proposed: The Istanbul talks are probably the greatest political own goal in decades. Putin fell into his own trap and all what’s left is just nervous, political stuttering. It is also a disaster for everyone advocating that negotiations are needed to end the war (Trump, cough cough). This instance shows vividly that Putin has no interest in doing so. Every word coming out of this Russian KGB mouth is aimed to lie, delay and distract. With no strategic goal secured by Russia in this war, a ceasefire would be anyway more of a problem for Putin. Despite Russian armies bleeding to death on the battlefield, it is preferable for Putin to continue the fighting, since it is keeping people in Russia in line. Putin can only offer war. It is everything what’s left for him since the Russian army epically failed to take Kyiv, and war will continue for as long as Putin breathes. The Istanbul event exposes this once again.

These talks ain't goimg anywhere.......

The only real reason to have them is to pander to Trump's ego. And he's already givimg himself an out and hedging and prevaricating


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I want Zelensky to not show up because of this.

But I think he will.

 

[LLCox]

Don't know if this has been posted but HAHAHAHHAHA ! THIS is the ruskie MO. Moar vodka all around

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...2&cvid=d385f20f103241cfa24fc941213c5d07&ei=19

 

[HisArpy]

Putin's withdrawal from the negotiations raises a question. Is he trying to destroy Russia in the hopes that the world will rebuild it as a modern society? (Like the US did with Japan and Germany after WWII.)

Or is he just crazy and needs to be removed?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Putin's withdrawal from the negotiations raises a question. Is he trying to destroy Russia in the hopes that the world will rebuild it as a modern society? (Like the US did with Japan and Germany after WWII.)

Or is he just crazy and needs to be removed?

Longs repost coming up.......he still thinks he can win this. And Zelensky and Ukraine are appeasing Trump as best they can to keep him from stabbing them in the back again. A semi-neutral Trump, or at least one that is only makimg excuses for Putin, is better than a Trump coming down hard against Ukraine, which, given how he hates Zelensky personally, is a major risk.

 

[Lazaran]

Longs repost coming up.......he still thinks he can win this. And Zelensky and Ukraine are appeasing Trump as best they can to keep him from stabbing them in the back again. A semi-neutral Trump, or at least one that is only makimg excuses for Putin, is better than a Trump coming down hard against Ukraine, which, given how he hates Zelensky personally, is a major risk.

Again: The European’s (including Ukraine) goal was to trap / box-in DONOLD!!! (Putin was ALWAYS going to be Putin and do Putin things).

Mission accomplished.





Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[Politruk]

Putin is of course not going to Istanbul negotiations that he himself proposed: The Istanbul talks are probably the greatest political own goal in decades. Putin fell into his own trap and all what’s left is just nervous, political stuttering. It is also a disaster for everyone advocating that negotiations are needed to end the war (Trump, cough cough).

Just heard Trump isn't going either. Present will be Zelenskyy, and some of Putin's deputies but not his Foreign Minister.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russians Blew Up their Own Ammo Dump​

On April 22, the Russian military’s 51st GRAU munitions arsenal near Kirzhach, in the Vladimir Oblast, approximately 50 miles east of Moscow, was rocked by several large explosions. As a result of the explosions, the Russian military likely suffered a great loss of munitions. Most alarmingly for the Kremlin, the destruction of the ammunition dump was probably not the result of Ukrainian sabotage—but rather the result of ineptitude by its personnel.

“It is highly likely that poor weapons handling procedures alongside negligent storage of munitions resulted in this loss,” the British Ministry of Defence assessed in its latest intelligence estimate on the Ukrainian conflict. “This is in keeping with a longstanding trend of regularly evidenced Russian ineptitude with regards [to] the safe and proper handling of its own munitions.”

Subsequent satellite imagery revealed that a significant portion of the munitions depot was damaged in the explosions. Indeed, more than one square kilometer of land was damaged, “suggesting massive losses at a key strategic depot supplying Russia’s war in Ukraine,” the British Ministry of Defence noted. The Ukrainian Center for Countering Disinformation claimed that the munitions depot held approximately 105,000 tons of munitions, including artillery rounds, ballistic missiles, small arms ammunition, and cruise missiles, among other munitions. “Furthermore, fire-damaged, unstable, unexploded munitions may have landed outside of the facility, potentially posing danger to civilians in the vicinity,” the British Ministry of Defence stated.

In explaining the loss, the Russian Ministry of Defence claimed that a small fire at the depot grew, causing some munitions to detonate—which then triggered significant damage to the whole munitions depot. “The 51st GRAU explosions likely resulted in the largest loss of Russian munitions caused by Russia’s own actions in the current conflict so far,” the British Ministry of Defence concluded.

Artillery Ammo Is Key to Russia’s War Effort

Notably, neither the Ukrainian military nor Kyiv’s intelligence services claimed responsibility for the incident. Ukraine has attacked ammunition depots inside Russia several times in the past—typically resulting in significant damage and loss of weapon systems—but has seen the value in avoiding taking credit for Russia’s own mistakes. Normally, munitions depots, especially those that contain high-end ballistic and cruise missiles, are designed in a way that limits the damage from a potential enemy attack or natural disaster. Munitions are typically housed in underground bunkers that prevent detonation even if the surface is under attack. There are, of course, bunker-buster bombs designed to pierce through such defenses, but the facts here do not suggest such an attack, and the Ukrainian military likely does not have such capabilities.

The war in Ukraine is a war of attrition in both men and munitions. The side that can sustain high-tempo fighting the longest is the one more likely to prevail. During most parts of the conflict, the Russian military has managed to “outshoot” its Ukrainian adversary—sometimes by a lot. For example, at certain points in the war, the Ukrainian military would fire around 6,000 artillery shells a day, while the Russians would fire over 20,000 rounds in return. Losing munitions by ineptitude is sure to cost the Russian military on the battlefield—and repeated instances of such ineptitude help to explain why the Kremlin has turned to alternative sources of artillery supplies, notably North Korea.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/one-of-russias-largest-munitions-dumps-just-went-up-in-smoke

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just heard Trump isn't going either. Present will be Zelenskyy, and some of Putin's deputies but not his Foreign Minister.

The Russians basically showed how they don't give a shit by sending what boils down to a few minor functionaries who will repeat the sameold Russian lines and who have no authority to agree on anything. Putin is doing enough to give Trump an excuse to continue aoolying pressure to Ukraine ("they're not conceding enough) rather than pressuring Putin and Russia.

Illia Ponomarenko sums it up for Ukraine really well. Ukrainian's see Trump for what he is.