For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[dmallord]

BS

Written into the Ukrainian Constitution. How's that BS again?

When proven wrong, you whine and respond with BS. You cannot accept the truth because it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[ll74]

Yes he is. He's cancelled democracy in Ukraine and refuses to hold elections. At present, there is no reliable measure of his popularity as millions have left the country, hundreds of thousands killed and wounded. Millions have been dispossessed of their homes and property. He's afraid to hold elections. There is no reliable indicator of the Ukrainian public's desire to fight this war to the end.

This continues to be a horseshit line.
Martial law has been declared.
Ukranian Parliament has voted to continue it multiple times since it was declared and will do so again in July.
Zelensky does not have a say in whether that happens or not.
If they decide to end the declaration, elections would be able to be held according to the Ukranian Constitution.

 

[Rightguide]

Ukraine should not meet until a ceasefire is in place and Russia ensures they are adhering 100%.

At this point, of even eldemand they return Ukranian children who were kidnapped.


This is not a reality in any sense of the word. Russia has driven multiple countries into NATO membership and alienated itself from the majority of the world.

What does that have to do with what we were talking about? It is the US and the West who have pushed NATO eastward, after originally promising not to do so. I found this in a web search:

"there is documented evidence that U.S. Secretary of State James Baker made assurances to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990 regarding NATO's eastward expansion. During a meeting on February 9, 1990, Baker stated that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward" beyond its current position if Germany were allowed to reunify within NATO. This assurance was part of discussions aimed at addressing Soviet security concerns during the negotiations over German reunification".National Security Archive


Since 1990, 14 countries, many of which were once firmly in Moscow's orbit, have joined NATO. From the Russian perspective, each of these additions can be seen as a violation of the spirit (if not the letter) of the 1990 assurance. Whether the U.S. “helped” them join is almost beside the point, NATO is a U.S.-led alliance, and every expansion was done with U.S. backing. In 2008 we tried to do this with Georgia as well. all designed to surround and isolate Russia. That was the official strategy, but it was pushed forward by stupid people ignorant of the potential for war.

 

[ll74]

What does that have to do with what we were talking about? It is the US and the West who have pushed NATO eastward, after originally promising not to do so. I found this in a web search:

NATO expansion was due to Russian aggression

"there is documented evidence that U.S. Secretary of State James Baker made assurances to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990 regarding NATO's eastward expansion. During a meeting on February 9, 1990, Baker stated that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward" beyond its current position if Germany were allowed to reunify within NATO. This assurance was part of discussions aimed at addressing Soviet security concerns during the negotiations over German reunification".National Security Archive

Yawn
Nato made no assurances

Since 1990, 14 countries, many of which were once firmly in Moscow's orbit, have joined NATO. From the Russian perspective, each of these additions can be seen as a violation of the spirit (if not the letter) of the 1990 assurance. Whether the U.S. “helped” them join is almost beside the point, NATO is a U.S.-led alliance, and every expansion was done with U.S. backing. In 2008 we tried to do this with Georgia as well. all designed to surround and isolate Russia. That was the official strategy, but it was pushed forward by stupid people ignorant of the potential for war.

Yes, because Russia has been using FSB resources to infiltrate their countries from within

 

[ChloeTzang]

What does that have to do with what we were talking about? It is the US and the West who have pushed NATO eastward, after originally promising not to do so. I found this in a web search:

"there is documented evidence that U.S. Secretary of State James Baker made assurances to Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in February 1990 regarding NATO's eastward expansion. During a meeting on February 9, 1990, Baker stated that NATO would not expand "one inch eastward" beyond its current position if Germany were allowed to reunify within NATO. This assurance was part of discussions aimed at addressing Soviet security concerns during the negotiations over German reunification".National Security Archive


Since 1990, 14 countries, many of which were once firmly in Moscow's orbit, have joined NATO. From the Russian perspective, each of these additions can be seen as a violation of the spirit (if not the letter) of the 1990 assurance. Whether the U.S. “helped” them join is almost beside the point, NATO is a U.S.-led alliance, and every expansion was done with U.S. backing. In 2008 we tried to do this with Georgia as well. all designed to surround and isolate Russia. That was the official strategy, but it was pushed forward by stupid people ignorant of the potential for war.

None of that is relevant. Russia is the sole survvong totalitarian power from WW2, an ally of Hitler and far more oppressive and genocidal that Nazi Germany.

Every country occupied by the Russians hated them for what they did and what they were, which is why so many fought against them in WW2. Russia has not changed. It is the same maniacal bloodthirsty genocidal state that it has always been. The USA had no right to make assurances, if it ever did, on behalf of those countries. There is a reason ALL these countries have joined, or want to join, NATO, and that reason is simply for protection against Russia.

The Russians can suck it up. Russia, simply, does not deserve to exist in its presemt form. It needs to be demilitairzed, denazified, it's war criminals tried and executed, and it's colonies given total independance.

The problem of Russia will not go away until Russia is eliminated as a world power and reduced to its real status as another mid-sized European country. As it inevitably will be.

 

[ChloeTzang]

So close to a million.....Slava Ukraini

 

[ChloeTzang]

A few summaries of Intelligence analysis

Kremlin officials and influential Russians abroad are fearful of the intensifying assassination campaign in Russia,

"I'm giving Putin a two week deadline for peace talks. If he violates the deadline I'll give him 3 more months."--- President Taco

"Our missiles will speak for themselves" - epic quote from President Zelensky. That's not a warning. It's a promise.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Unlike Russian strikes, Ukraine is targeting military-industrial infrastructure sucessfully.

By way of contrast, a lot of Ukraine's military construction facilities are underground, in old Cold War facilities.... and very very difficult for Russia to target

 

[Noks]

You mean the highly educated & accomplished Kamala

You can absolutely be "highly educated & accomplished" and still be a moron—especially if you’ve been brainwashed in one of those “humane” faculties, where even empirical truth is up for debate these days.

What’s happened in the U.S. academy over the past 30 years is nothing short of an educational holocaust: generations of illiterate zombies being indoctrinated by neo-Marxists and anarchists. No critical thinking, no independent thought, no exploration of subjects beyond the approved curriculum. Any voice outside the choir gets cast out—and all of this horror is funded by Qatari money.

So yes, it’s entirely possible for someone like Kamala to be “highly educated” and still have the intelligence of a stool.

You actually cast your vote for someone whose brain short-circuits without a teleprompter.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Lazaran]

You can absolutely be "highly educated & accomplished" and still be a moron

No. you. Can’t.



Hope that ^ helps, alt.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[MajorRewrite]

You can absolutely be "highly educated & accomplished" and still be a moron—especially if you’ve been brainwashed in one of those “humane” faculties, where even empirical truth is up for debate these days.

What’s happened in the U.S. academy over the past 30 years is nothing short of an educational holocaust: generations of illiterate zombies being indoctrinated by neo-Marxists and anarchists. No critical thinking, no independent thought, no exploration of subjects beyond the approved curriculum. Any voice outside the choir gets cast out—and all of this horror is funded by Qatari money.

So yes, it’s entirely possible for someone like Kamala to be “highly educated” and still have the intelligence of a stool.

You actually cast your vote for someone whose brain short-circuits without a teleprompter.

Anti-intellectual MAGA sheep are hilarious.

 

[Noks]

Anti-intellectual MAGA sheep are hilarious.

I can't be MAGA. I'm not even American. Besides, America can't become great again.

The woke cancer has metastasized, and now the patient smiles as the decay spreads.

 

[Politruk]

What’s happened in the U.S. academy over the past 30 years is nothing short of an educational holocaust: generations of illiterate zombies being indoctrinated by neo-Marxists and anarchists.

There are not enough Marxists to mention.

 

[Rightguide]

None of that is relevant. Russia is the sole survvong totalitarian power from WW2, an ally of Hitler and far more oppressive and genocidal that Nazi Germany.

This is nonsense Chloe. Totally.

 

[Rightguide]

None of that is relevant. Russia is the sole survvong totalitarian power from WW2, an ally of Hitler and far more oppressive and genocidal that Nazi Germany.

A search reveals what is relevant:

Key Facts:​

• About 80% of German military casualties in WWII occurred on the Eastern Front.
• By the time of D-Day (June 1944), Germany had already lost millions of soldiers fighting the Soviets, particularly in catastrophic defeats at Stalingrad (1943), Kursk (1943), and the subsequent Soviet offensives throughout 1943–44.
• Germany’s largest and most experienced army groups were engaged in the East, and many had been destroyed or severely weakened by the time the Western Allies launched Operation Overlord.

Perspective from Military Historians:​

Historians widely agree that the Soviet Union was the primary force in defeating Nazi Germany, with the Western Front acting as a critical — but secondary — theater until mid-1944. The Normandy invasion certainly accelerated Germany’s collapse, but the decisive bleeding of German manpower and resources happened in the East.

In Summary:​

Yes — the Red Army destroyed the bulk of Hitler’s Wehrmacht before the Allies ever set foot on Normandy’s beaches.

That's what your "ally" of Hitler did. Granted we paid for a lot of it in lend Lease, but they did the heavy lifting in WWII Europe. I'm not here to defend the Soviets, only the facts. Just like then, especially in our media, there are few facts about what is happening in Ukraine, vis a vis the Russians ground campaign in Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

A search reveals what is relevant:

Key Facts:​

• About 80% of German military casualties in WWII occurred on the Eastern Front.
• By the time of D-Day (June 1944), Germany had already lost millions of soldiers fighting the Soviets, particularly in catastrophic defeats at Stalingrad (1943), Kursk (1943), and the subsequent Soviet offensives throughout 1943–44.
• Germany’s largest and most experienced army groups were engaged in the East, and many had been destroyed or severely weakened by the time the Western Allies launched Operation Overlord.

Perspective from Military Historians:​

Historians widely agree that the Soviet Union was the primary force in defeating Nazi Germany, with the Western Front acting as a critical — but secondary — theater until mid-1944. The Normandy invasion certainly accelerated Germany’s collapse, but the decisive bleeding of German manpower and resources happened in the East.

In Summary:​

Yes — the Red Army destroyed the bulk of Hitler’s Wehrmacht before the Allies ever set foot on Normandy’s beaches.

That's what your "ally" of Hitler did. Granted we paid for a lot of it in lend Lease, but they did the heavy lifting in WWII Europe. I'm not here to defend the Soviets, only the facts. Just like then, especially in our media, there are few facts about what is happening in Ukraine, vis a vis the Russians ground campaign in Ukraine.

1939. Molotov-Ribentrop Pact where they divided sphere's of influence. They split Poland between them, and on the USSR's portion of Poland, the exterminations started. My great-granddad was in the Polish Army on the border with Russia and was shipped off to Siberia. His family owned quite a lot of farmland outside Lvov, so they were probably executed or shipped off to the gulag. WHatever happened, they didn
t survives WW2 and that was Stalin AND Hitler. Like a lot of other Poles. Throw in the Holodomor, whuch exterminated more Ukrainians that Hitler ever managed with Jews, and you had a good start. Now toss in Latvia and Estonia, where the Russians rolled in and immediately started the executions and shipped thousands off to the gulags, and way to go, Stalin. No wonder Latvians and Estonians signed up by the thousands to fight the genocidal Russians. Lithuanians too. Those guys who signed up to fight the Russians were the real heroes. Not to mention the Russian invasion of Finland - the Winter War.

It is estimated that at least 125,000 Lithuanians rose up to fight the retreating Soviets during the time between the initial German crossing of the eastern frontier and the final evacuation of all Russian troops. At least 4,000 are said to have been killed during this period, and another 10,000 wounded in action. Numerous Lithuanian cities were also liberated even before the Germans arrived, a sign of the fierceness with which the Lithuanians were willing to fight for their homeland and the enthusiasm with which they greeted the German troops as liberators. After WWII ended, tens of thousands of Lithuanian forces remained across Lithuania and they continued to engage in fighting the Soviet occupation forces well into the 1950s. The last of the Lithuanian anti-Soviet partisan forces are thought to have been wiped out around the time of 1955-56.

France and the UK were prepared to sent an expeditionary force to Finland to help fight the USSR, and they were planning a large scale bombing raid on the Baku oilfields, to be launched from Syria by the French Airforce and the RAF, when France fell. The USSR was just as much the enemy as Germany was. The German attack on the USSR simply served to confuse the picture. With western help, the USSR survived and fought Germany, but in the war between the western democracies and totalitarianism, one of the TWO totalitarian regimes survived and emerged as the ruler of all of Eastern Europe. WW2 only ended when the USSR disintegrated and the eastern european states regained their independance and freedom. Patton was right - we should have gone on and destroyed the Red Army and liberated eastern europe in 1945. Partly because Roosevelt was a Stalinist-symp to the core.

However, we didn't, and the core of the genocidal and totalitarian Soviet regime survived in Russia. Russia was never demilitarized and denazified, nor were its many war criminals ever put on trial at the Hague. The end result is that we now see Putin emerge as Stalin's heir, yet another genocidal and murderous Russian maniac in the great traditions of the Tsars and the Bolsheviks. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is really a continuatrion of the same war from that perspective, and there are still many other countries and people within the artificial borders of the Muscovite Empire that wait for their liberation and freedom.

How Lithuanians greeted German troops at the start of WW2..............and, gosh, Lithuania welcomes German troops in....2025. I wonder why.....

 

[Politruk]

How Lithuanians greeted German troops at the start of WW2..............and, gosh, Lithuania welcomes German troops in....2025. I wonder why.....

Yes, many welcomed the Germans as liberators from Stalin's tyranny. But they soon found out that for anyone not of German blood, Hitler's tyranny was even worse. Stalin saw them as tools to use, but Hitler saw them as vermin to exterminate. If Hitler had won, the Holocaust that happened in our history would only be a footnote to a far vaster holocaust consuming most of the Soviet population.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Yes, many welcomed the Germans as liberators from Stalin's tyranny. But they soon found out that for anyone not of German blood, Hitler's tyranny was even worse. Stalin saw them as tools to use, but Hitler saw them as vermin to exterminate. If Hitler had won, the Holocaust that happened in our history would only be a footnote to a far vaster holocaust consuming most of the Soviet population.

Yes, perhaps, but the point I am making is that the Russians were so evil that the peoples of the countries occupied by them rose up and joined the Germans, with many fightimg alongside the Germans right thru to the end of WW2. Partisan nationalist units continued fighting in the Baltic States and Ukraine into the 1950's. There's a reason Bandera is a national hero in Ukraine.

The western democracies betrayed those people, for reasons that one can understand but which are nevertheless contemptible.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Footage shows Ukrainian drones at work deep inside Russian territory, obliterating Russian strategic aviation. It looks like the targets here are TU-95s caught in the open and unprotected - the Russians had 55 in service in 2020, which means Russia lost almost 6% of their fleet in this attack assuming the last one from which the footage was filmed takes out the next plane on the flight line. This type of aircraft launches the cruise missiles that for three years have been terrorizing Ukrainians. The TU95 is not in production and cannot be replaced.

Apparently in this operation four airfields were struck simultaneously with around 40 aircraft hit. This is a massive strategic and operational loss for Russia that will take years to replace.

Further reports say the Ukrainian Fpvs were launched from a truck or several trucks close to the airfield. rotflmao. What a strike. This is awesome!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1929131109280829890

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ukraine says it destroyed more than 40 Russian bomber planes deep inside territory​

A Ukrainian security official on Sunday said that Kyiv destroyed more than 40 Russian aircraft in drone attacks that struck airbases thousands of kilometres from the front lines. Russia uses the strategic bomber planes to fire long-range missiles at Ukraine. Ukraine attacked Russian nuclear-capable long-range bombers at a military base in Siberia on Sunday, the first such attack so far from the front lines more than 4,300 km (2,670 miles) away, according to pro-Russian bloggers. Unverified video and pictures posted on social media showed Russian strategic bombers – whose purpose is to drop nuclear bombs on distance targets – on fire at the Belaya air base north of Irkutsk.

Reuters was unable to immediately verify the footage but in Kyiv, a Ukrainian intelligence official said that Ukraine’s domestic security agency, the SBU, conducted a large drone attack on over 40 Russian military aircraft. The Ukrainian source, speaking on condition of anonymity to Reuters in Kyiv, said the struck aircraft included Tu-95 and Tu-22 strategic bombers, which Russia uses to fire long-range missiles at Ukraine. The claim would mean that Ukraine damaged $2 billion worth of Russian aircraft parked at airbases thousands of kilometres away. The source said Russian airbases in the eastern Siberian city of Belaya, in Olenya, up in the Arctic near Finland, and in Ivanovo and Dyagilevo, both east of Moscow, had been targeted.

Disclosing operational details, the official added that the attack took over one and a half years to execute and was personally supervised by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. This was a hugely ambitious SBU operation. According to people familiar with the attack, codenamed “Spiderweb”, it was planned more than a year in advance and “personally supervised” by Zelensky. It used dozens of FPV drones armed with explosives that were smuggled into Russia. Photo below: SBU Chief Vasyl Malyuk looks over a map of Russian targets in today's attack.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...0-russian-bomber-planes-deep-inside-territory

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russian stocks collapsed after Ukraine's strikes on strategic airfields of the Russian Federation - Russian media​

Against the background of the Armed Forces of Ukraine's attacks on strategic air bases of the Russian Federation, the shares of Russian companies have fallen sharply in price. According to the information, as of 15:52 Moscow time, Gazprom's shares lost 3.1%, Sberbank and VTB - 2.3% each, Rosneft - 1.9%. Novatek's quotations fell by more than 3%, and Severstal (-2.8%) and Norilsk Nickel (-2.7%) shares also fell significantly. It is reported that Ukrainian strikes have also increased uncertainty regarding the future meeting of the Central Bank on the rate, which will take place on June 6. According to MMI analysts: the probability of easing monetary policy, which the market hopes for, is decreasing.

https://unn.ua/en/news/russian-stoc...ields-of-the-russian-federation-russian-media

 

[ChloeTzang]

2 Trains Crash After Bridges Collapse In Western Russia Leaving Several Dead​

Russian officials say at least 8 people are dead after bridges collapsed causing train crashes in two separate regions of Russia bordering Ukraine. Initial reports blamed an explosion when a bridge fell on a railway line in the Bryansk region on May 31 as a passenger train passed underneath. In the early hours of June 1, a railway bridge collapsed in the Kursk region as a freight train was crossing it. There was no immediate comment from Ukraine.

Russia can expect a lot more of these infrastructure attacks gloing forward. Ukraine is gearing up to destroy the Russian economy.....can't wait to see a few more drone attacks on Moscow's airports shutting down civilian air traffic. THAT will hurt.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-trains-crash-bridges-collapse/33430994.html

 

[ChloeTzang]

According to CNS News, the White House was not informed of the attack, meaning ot took place without the USA being notified or aware.

That's smart - Trump would have leaked advance warning to Putin. Why inform Putin's buddy and jeopardize the operation. Of course, according to Tulsi she can't get Trump to read daily briefings so it might nor have mattered.

More details about the SBU operation today targetting several Russian air bases:

According to Ukrainian sources, 41 strategic and military transport aircraft were targetted across four Russian airbases. Some drones executed autonomous target guidance, with damage assessments ongoing through satellite imagery.

An SBU agent group smuggled 150 small attack drones and 300 munitions into Russia. Of these, 116 drones were launched, controlled via Russian telecom networks employing autonomous guidance. Multiple mobile drone launch sites were established near Russian strategic aviation bases.

The drones struck at close range in broad daylight deep inside Russian territory. Despite substantial air defense—SAM systems, electronic warfare, and patrols armed with firearms—Russian forces expected night strikes from large drones, not small daytime quadcopters.

The attack on the Tu-95 strategic bomber base at Olenya was especially effective, with drones precisely targeting fuel tanks and destroying numerous aircraft completely.

It probably cost Ukraine $5000 to destroy $2 billion worth of Russia's war machines originally designed to destroy America. And some Americans still argue that helping Ukraine is expensive. Some Americans even want to reetstablush trade with Russia whule they are occupying Ukrainian territory.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Awesome!

The SBU is giving Mossad a run for thrir money. Ukrainian FPV drones were launched from specially prepared containers and trucks near air bases. According to Ihor Lachenkov referring to sources within the SBU, FPV drones were first smuggled into Russia, followed by mobile wooden cabins. Hidden inside the cabins mounted on trucks, the drones were launched remotely when the time came. All operatives involved in the operation have been returned to Ukraine.

Now, reflect on how easy it would be for China to do this to the USA.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1929172199857959268