For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[dmallord]

I wouldn't have publicized it myself. I would have used all the addresses for targeted eliminations

My thoughts are that Ukraine needs a blackhat computer team that usurps critical computer-controlled systems and locks them down to prevent their use:

• Military payroll systems
• International banking systems
• fuel systems - oil/gas
• telco -ICBM if possible
• City traffic control systems
• airlines, civilian and military
• Wayfair & Amazon

 

[ChloeTzang]

How can anyone doubt that Trump is pro-Putin and wants Russia to win. This isn't "a shift." It's active sabotage.

The lesson to every country in the world here is, do not rely on the US and do not buy military equipment from the US. Look for reliable defense partners.

The corollary is, there will be no help to the US from any other coyntry, other than this with specific interests justifying this.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Meanwhile, trump has asked the Senate to hold on the Sanctions Bill.... again, what could be more obvious.

 

[Celand]

WW2 Britain banned pro-Nazi broadcasting and news. The answer is, "So? Where's the issue?"

Get your dates correct:

WW2 Started in 1939. Two years ( that is in 1937, for those co cannot subtract) before the war, there was no ban in UK on anything, actually fascism was legal and was promoted by many British upper class at that time. Oswald Mosley was NOT arrested until May 1940 and BUF was not banned untill also almost 9 months AFTER WW2 started !

Ukraine " banned ALL Russian legally" and constitutionally in 2020 and earlier. Two years before the Russian invasion....

And that that is the issue. So, learn to count above 2, and also learn some history before you try to rewrite it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Get your dates correct:

WW2 Started in 1939. Two years ( that is in 1937, for those co cannot subtract) before the war, there was no ban in UK on anything, actually fascism was legal and was promoted by many British upper class at that time. Oswald Mosley was NOT arrested until May 1940 and BUF was not banned untill also almost 9 months AFTER WW2 started !

It takes a while for these things to get underway - and when all was said and done, Mosley was British and a patriot - he was released in 1943. He was quite the politician. Started out conservative, switched to Labor, considered to be a potential Labor Prime Minister, was probably more socialist than much of Labor, very critical of the repression of Irish nationalism in Ireland and esp of the Black & Tans. A strong advocate for British workers, whuch was what led him to fascism. Says a lot about him that he was never prosecuted and was released in 1943.....

Ukraine " banned ALL Russian legally" and constitutionally in 2020 and earlier. Two years before the Russian invasion....

And that that is the issue. So, learn to count above 2, and also learn some history before you try to rewrite it.

The war started in 2014.....

 

[DeluxAuto]

Rad.



A DJ and a witch/author of erotica fucked Putin harder than trump's mushroom ever could.

 

[ChloeTzang]

For all practical purposes, Volodymyr Zelensky functions as the de facto dictator of Ukraine. Elections, both presidential and parliamentary, have been indefinitely suspended under martial law, which has been extended continuously since 2022. This effectively nullifies the democratic process and extends Zelensky’s term without public consent.

You are not the only one who has raised this......you all get the same answer too

 

[colddiesel]

The lesson to every country in the world here is, do not rely on the US and do not buy military equipment from the US. Look for reliable defense partners.

This is the single most important line in this thread. The damage done by the unilateral breaking of 20 Free Trade Treaties has destroyed any trust of the USA so long as the Trump administration remains. Trumps only remaining ally is Russia, and only when it suits Putin.

There's no point dealing with Trump, he's just as likely to walk away from any new deal before the ink dries.

 

[ll74]

This is the single most important line in this thread. The damage done by the unilateral breaking of 20 Free Trade Treaties has destroyed any trust of the USA so long as the Trump administration remains. Trumps only remaining ally is Russia, and only when it suits Putin.

There's no point dealing with Trump, he's just as likely to walk away from any new deal before the ink dries.

I actually think the most trustworthy partners are China, Canada and Mexico.

 

[Lazaran]

Today, Trump threatened to SANCTION UKRAINE!!!





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

This is the single most important line in this thread. The damage done by the unilateral breaking of 20 Free Trade Treaties has destroyed any trust of the USA so long as the Trump administration remains. Trumps only remaining ally is Russia, and only when it suits Putin.

There's no point dealing with Trump, he's just as likely to walk away from any new deal before the ink dries.

He already has - he reneged on the Budapest memorandum. He had a verbal agreement with Canada in tariffs and he flipped that off yesterday. He had an agreement with the UK and flipped that off as well. He's flipped off every trade agreement the US has signed.

Literally, there is no pount in dealing with him. He makes things up, he's living in a f antasy world and he can't be relied on to keep any agreement - the USA under Trump can longer be trusted by anyone, friend or enemy. As Doug Ford just said, when yu're bitten a second time, you lose that trust - and Canada has been the best friend the US has had. That's been ended.

And threatening to sanction Ukraine is beyond the pale.

As soon as Ukraone can afford to, they just need to walk away from Trump. At this point tho, they need that US intelligence. As for sanctions, Ukraine exports to United States in 2024 were worth US$1.08 Billion. They can I think afford to ignore the US if push comes to shove. And of course there's Trump's minerals deal which obviously isn't worth anythung much to Trump if he wants to sanction Ukraone fr defending themselves from genocide.

 

[ChloeTzang]

nice Ukrainian hit on Bryansk Airport

https://twitter.com/x/status/1930740633582403845

 

[ChloeTzang]

This is where we are - Ukraine WILL build nukes. it's inevitable now. They have been taught a hard lesson in the geopolitical realities.

 

[dmallord]

I actually think the most trustworthy partners are China, Canada and Mexico.

Canada and Mexico. China, not so much from a political perspective, maybe commercially, reports say they fulfill their agreements. [Can't say that for Trump, can we?]

 

[Celand]

The war started in 2014.....

By Ukrainians shelling their own citizens in Donbas and Luhansk. Finally, you got something correct.

 

[ChloeTzang]

By Ukrainians shelling their own citizens in Donbas and Luhansk. Finally, you got something correct.

And you know that was some Russian "seperatists" with the direct involvement of the Russian military, and the so-called seperatists" were compltely under Russian control. There was nothing organic about that right from the start. That was Putin from the very beginning and it was led by Igor Girkin (remember him). Once it was off the ground, Russia sent in troops amd weapons, so of coyrse there was shelling ad fighting. Duh. It was a Russian invasion and a war.

 

[Celand]

And you know that was some Russian "seperatists" with the direct involvement of the Russian military, and the so-called seperatists" were compltely under Russian control. There was nothing organic about that right from the start. That was Putin from the very beginning and it was led by Igor Girkin (remember him). Once it was off the ground, Russia sent in troops amd weapons, so of coyrse there was shelling ad fighting. Duh. It was a Russian invasion and a war.

Lets stop this back and forth over nothing.... These separatists ( about 80 % of the population) wanted and were promised autonomy until Maidan happened ( read Victoria Nuland and CIA). After Maidan the new coup d'etat government NOT only refused to discuss autonomy BUT started to persecute all those who complained. I am sure you will find another version of these events.....but really just look at the shit USA/CIA and yes, almost singlehandedly Victoria Nuland has created ....

Here is the list of her " successes" : Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Chechnya, Georgia, Transnistria and Moldova and these are the only ones documented, less documented is, that she had her fingers in just about every shit that happened after 2011 Arab Spring and in Sahelian Belt.

Instead of that cunt being in prison, she is retired with a rich pension.

But hey, lets post or write some porn and fuck this political debate... or, lets meet in Minsk and write us an accord.

 

[ChloeTzang]

....but hey, lets post or write some porn and fuck this political debate... or, lets meet in Minsk and write us an accord.

LOL, I actually AM writing a story set in Ukraine. Far more fun

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[Baztrachian]

Get your dates correct:

WW2 Started in 1939. Two years ( that is in 1937, for those co cannot subtract) before the war, there was no ban in UK on anything, actually fascism was legal and was promoted by many British upper class at that time. Oswald Mosley was NOT arrested until May 1940 and BUF was not banned untill also almost 9 months AFTER WW2 started !

Ukraine " banned ALL Russian legally" and constitutionally in 2020 and earlier. Two years before the Russian invasion....

And that that is the issue. So, learn to count above 2, and also learn some history before you try to rewrite it.

Get your dates correct:

Russia's war to conquer Ukraine started in February 2014.

Using the pretext of providing security at the Sochi Olympics the Russians deployed 40,000 troops to Sochi. After the Olympics were ended the troops moved north and then into Crimea where they then acted as Putin's Little Green Men to seize control of Crimea. The Russians literally used the Olympics as cover for their war plan.

On March 18, 2014 Russia made their invasion official with their annexation of Crimea and the Donbas region.

Ukraine's 2020 response to the 2014 invasion and subsequent eight year long border war was then quite measured and quite patient.

 

[Baztrachian]

Canada has been the best friend the US has had

That is quite untrue. Canada is a neighbor.

Historically their politicians have prided themselves on their anti-American views, Canada's Liberal Party governments have been notorious for directly intervening in American national and state-level elections, Canada's governments have frequently tried to suppress American free speech rights, they constantly agitate against our right to keep and bear arms, and their Liberal Party governments have a long and storied history of cozying up to America's enemies such as Cuba, Venezuela, Russia/USSR, China, Iran, and etc.

Granted, they've had their moments when they've done the right thing like during 9/11 when they took in a lot of people whose planes were stranded in Canada.

The fact of the matter is that nations really don't have any friends. Nations may share common interests with other nations but those common interests can shift quickly.

People like to talk about the special relationship the US has had with the United Kingdom.

Fact of the matter is that all through the 1800's Britain and France were the greatest threats to the United States.

During the US civil war Britain supplied the Confederacy with weapons, ammunition, supplies, and warships. The British even threatened war against the USA several times during that conflict.

At the end of that war the British had shut the fuck up because the United States Navy had already projected power into British waters and the Royal Navy was unable to do anything about it. Ditto with the French.

When Teddy Roosevelt built the Great White Fleet and sent them on a world tour it was to send a message to both Britain and France that there was nowhere in the world that the USA could not meet them.

In 1912 the British conducted several acts of sabotage against US Navy facilities with the intent of disrupting American battleship production.

At the outset of the First World War the American posture was that war against the British was inevitable especially given several British intercepts of America flagged ships on the high seas and in particular in the St. Lawrence (Canada).

Absent the German U-Boat campaign the US would have either stayed out of that war or perhaps entered it not so much in concert with the Germans but to deal with an exceedingly aggressive and anti-American British Empire.

Canadians of today are often keenly aware that the United States was planning to invade and conquer Canada during World War One and we were essentially prepared to do that same in 1939-1942 had the British surrendered to Germany. The US was not going to allow Germany to occupy Canada during WW2.

The US relationship with most of Europe these days is delicate in part because of repeated attempts by Europe (and Canada) to desire the imposition of European-style restrictions on personal freedom in the US.

I might support Europe in opposing Russia but I also refuse to turn a blind eye to their increasingly authoritarian regimes than ban and arrest political opponents, that try to silence American critics, and who prioritize Muslim colonization over the interests of native born citizenry.

Meaning that while we see Europe as friendly to us right now that can easily and quickly change. It has before.

If you'd like to get a sense of unfiltered Canadian opinions of America I'd like to suggest visiting the forums at Canada Kicks Ass. The forum is about as politically balanced as a Canadian forum can be which is why I recommend it for getting a broad sense of what they think.

https://www.canadaka.net/forums/

Brace yourself. They might be polite but after you do some reading you'll see they hate us.

 

[Celand]

LOL, I actually AM writing a story set in Ukraine. Far more fun

Put some "very kinky" lesbian bitch interrogating and then selling some poor " girl spies" to the highest bidder (males or females.....) and you will have a hit ! I would read it for sure I may even buy it and shoot a small movie with it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Put some "very kinky" lesbian bitch interrogating and then selling some poor " girl spies" to the highest bidder (males or females.....) and you will have a hit ! I would read it for sure I may even buy it and shoot a small movie with it.

LOL. It's more a romance, alas, and apologies to everyone else for going wildly off track for a moment.....altho I have a second one which is more espionage - set mostly in Kharkiv as the war starts, with the dreaded Ukrainian biolabs, a Chinese carrier (Trexy Lee from "Halloween in Roanapur", Azov, a trip across the border into Russia - "Song of the Brave," aka "What’s a Girl to do when she’s in Kharkiv and the Hair Dye runs out..."

Don't ask about the AH64 - that's part of the story.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sometimes I love Chinese scammers

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931161668131991552

 

[ChloeTzang]

THIS is why it's absolutely essential that Ukraine share no plans whatsoever with the USA.