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For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine
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HisArpy
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It's not deterrence, it's deliberate provocation and stupidity.
There's also this thing called The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Russia is a signatory to it. So are many EU nations. It's why Iran will never be allowed to develop nukes.
Yet you're thinking Ukraine will be allowed to?
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They will NOT be asking anybody. The " nationalists" ( in respect to Chloe I will not call them Nazis) are basically just another death cult. The difference between the jihadis and the mullahs is, that the Ukrainians have and know the technology and rather then loose, they will take the whole world down with them ... There will be an Armageddon, yet the warmongers and the media does NOT get it yet.
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I'm not one of those who throws terms like Nazi and Nationalist around in order to justify anything. Doing so is an attempt to stratify and dehumanize.
My position is that giving or allowing Ukraine to possess or use Nuclear weapons is FUCKING GODDAMNED STUPID. Not only will it be seen as an escalation and provocation, the world in general will not allow it. Any attempt will be officially condemned by all nations, including those currently supporting Ukraine. Should Ukraine manage to come into possession of nuclear material/weapons, the support it's getting right now will evaporate faster than rubbing alcohol in the Sahara.
Ukraine is the underdog in this fight. I support them because of that status and because what Russia did was wrong. Giving them the ultimate horror device changes everything because they are no longer an underdog. Instead they're Hannibal Lecter with a license to kill everyone/everything. No thank you.
That ^ is why those with weak spines and a tiny, drug addled brain (Derpy) should NEVER comment on matters involving courage and will.
Derpy 
Slava Ukraini!!!
That's both sides. This is a war of conflicting nationalisms. Putin thinks the Ukrainians are just Russians with a funny accent, so of course they should be united with Mother Russia. Zelenskyy thinks the Ukrainians are a separate and distinct nationality, so of course they should have their own independent nation-state. Both goals are perfectly in accord with nationalist principles first articulated in the 19th Century, which provide no grounds on which to decide questions of uncertain or disputed national identity.
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THat was the whole point of the Budapest memorandum, where Ukraone received guarantees in return for denuking.
Russia has outright smashed those guarantees. The USA under Trump has abandoned them.
Zelensky has said, either NATO or Nukes. Trump said No NATO. Ergo, he has agreed that Ukraine should have nukes going forward. And no, it will not be openly stated. It will be like Israel. In secret and under the table. Until its all in place.
But Russia would be stupid not to assume that Ukraone could not retaliate to a tactical nuclear attack. Literally, Ukrainian scientists have said they can build dirty bombs in days.
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The US has sent 20,000 missiles intended for Ukraine to the Middle East instead
Yet another attack on Ukraine by the pro-Putinista's of the Trump Administration. Every time you think Trump can't sink lower, he manages to achieve new depths.
President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reported that the United States has redirected 20,000 missiles, originally intended for Ukraine to combat Russian Shahed drones, to the Middle East. "We have major problems with Shaheds, we’re fighting them and of course will find tools to destroy them. But we had found something and decided – I think it was under the previous administration, it was defence secretary Austin. We settled on a project and we were counting on it. 20,000 missiles to fight Shaheds. It wasn’t expensive, but it was a special technology. We were counting on those 20,000 missiles. This morning, my defence minister told me that the United States has transferred them to the Middle East."
On 5 June, The Wall Street Journal reported that the administration of US President Donald Trump had decided to redirect special fuses for ground-based rockets used by Ukraine to shoot down Russian drones to US Air Force units in the Middle East. These fuses are considered a key component in countering Russian UAVs. The WSJ said that the Pentagon privately informed Congress last week that these fuses are now being transferred to US Air Force units in the Middle East.
Trump not only does not sell weapons to Ukraine, he also steals weapons that were ordered, paid for and produced for Ukraine. Trump is 100% Putin's ally. Trump is now actively helping Putin and wants Ukraine to lose this war.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/8/7516207/
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HisArpy
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The US is still providing arms to Ukraine. Thus the US hasn't abandoned them or the memorandum.
Russia has a history which shows it's not to be trusted. What they did was in line with their history.
The rest is just jawboning for the sake of jawboning. No one believes that Trump has tacitly agreed to let Ukraine have nukes. And you cannot build a dirty bomb in "days" without both nuclear material and a shielded firing mechanism, which no one will give to Ukraine even if someone goes on a guaranteed fatal trip into Chernobyl for the radioactive material. So just stop with the overblown hype and fantasies.
When will someone in that traitorous orange POS’s orbit do the right thing???
We. Told. Them. So.
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just ask rory to pee on you and get it over with
As in his first term, I hope the generals, at any rate, have made a pact to shoot him immediately if he ever asks for the nuclear launch codes.
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The head slaver of the Ukrainian military "conscription" Colonel oleg nomerovsky... got blowed up, he was killed with a car bomb....... he had blew eyes.......one eye blew left, the other eye blew right...... fucking slavery.......
Many countries have military conscription. It's not against international law or anything.
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Russia has conscription.
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Ukraine torches Putin’s war factories as he rolls the dice on summer offensive
Ukrainian forces have begun targeting not just the Russian military equipment, but the factories that produce them deep in the industrial core of the country. By striking key munitions plants responsible for explosives, bomb kits, and artillery components, they’ve set off a chain reaction that could choke Russia’s ability to sustain its summer offensive. The goal of the Ukrainians here is to prevent the Russians from rebuilding their ammunition stockpiles after the latest destruction of the large GRAU artillery arsenal in Vladimir Oblast. The success of this attack led to the destruction of up to 264 thousand tons of drone, artillery, and missile stockpiles, equating to at least half a year of Russian munitions production.To prevent Russians from rebuilding these stockpiles, Ukrainians commenced a devastating series of precision drone strikes, starting with strikes on the Bazalt military-industrial complex in Moscow. Satellite images confirm the strike, a direct on the center of the main building, which was already targeted by Ukrainian drones in the past. Bazalt is a key Russian defense enterprise, specializing in the design, development, and production of a wide range of munitions for the entire Russian army. Most notably, this plant produces high-explosive and thermobaric FAB glide bombs, which are equipped with guidance kits that are used for frontline and rear strikes by the Russian Air Force. The disruption of the production of guided bombs at this plant will have a massive effect on the Russian summer offensive, as Russian assault tactics are heavily dependent on glide bomb strikes to destroy detected Ukrainian positions.
Additionally, Ukrainian drones attacked the Murom Instrumentation Plant in Vladimir Oblast, 670 kilometers away from the front. The attack resulted in devastating fire that engulfed the warehouse storing finished materials, while damaging the factory administration building, and a factory building where explosives are synthesized was severely damaged. Notably, the electronic warfare systems in place at the factory were completely ineffective at repelling the drone strike, indicating that Ukraine is implementing AI targeting software more widely in its long-range strike drones as well. The plant is known in Russia for producing explosive ignition systems, including caps and primers for various types of ammunition used by the Russian military. Subsequently, the Ukrainians struck the Sverdlov State Enterprise in Dzerzhinsk, nearly 800 kilometers from the frontline, one of the most critical Russian military industrial plants. The plant was already struck in the past year due to its immense strategic significance, as it is the sole producer of high explosives hexogen and octogen, which are essential to produce artillery shells, ballistic missiles, anti-tank guided missiles, glide bombs, and air defense missiles.
The final target of Ukrainian strikes was the Azot chemical plant in Novomoskovsk in the Tula region, 350 kilometers from the front, causing a massive fire that left a significant part of the factory badly damaged. The chemicals produced at Azot, ammonium nitrate, methanol, and argon, are key components in explosives, the production of rocket fuel, and welding and heat treatment of metals used in Russian weapon systems. The Murom Instrument-Making Plant, NPO Bazalt, Azot Tula Plant and the Sverdlov Plant form a critical link in Russia’s munitions supply chain, producing fuzes, warheads, hard materials, and explosive compounds. Together, they enable the mass production of artillery shells, guided bombs, and missiles heavily used in Russia’s war on Ukraine, and critical for the Russian summer offensive to succeed.
Continued disruption of these facilities, all of which have already been targeted by Ukrainian drones and missiles in the past, will significantly impair Russia’s ability to sustain high-intensity combat operations. Overall, the Ukrainians conducted precision strikes at most critical parts of the Russian military industrial complex, responsible for producing essential materials for nearly all Russian equipment, ranging from artillery to aerial bombs. Such major sabotages can create prolonged and devastating shortages of ammunition and supplies to frontline units, slowing down Russian offensive efforts as they take months to rebuild. Ammunition shortages force the Russians to slow down their attacks and fire at lower rates, making breakthroughs more difficult and allowing the Ukrainians to better sustain the pressure. This is of immeasurable value, as the Russians are going all-in for their summer offensive.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/06...ies-as-he-rolls-the-dice-on-summer-offensive/
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Ukraine crippled Russia’s bombers. Now the crown jewel of Putin’s nuclear arsenal may be next
Russia’s nuclear submarines are over 6,000 km from Ukraine — but that might not be far enough.After Ukraine’s audacious underwater drone strike on the Kerch Bridge, Russian analysts have begun sounding the alarm over the possibility of an even more devastating follow-up. To them, the Kerch operation wasn’t just a spectacular success—it looked like a rehearsal for something far more dangerous, aimed at Russia’s most sensitive naval bases in the far east. In light of the massively successful operation Spiderweb, showing Ukraine’s ability to strike deep in the heart of Russian territory by both conventional and unconventional means, the Ukrainian Security Service carried out another stunning strike. In their own, so-called, special operation, Ukrainians hit the underwater support structure of the Kerch bridge. The estimated 1,100 kilogram explosion detonated around 10 meters deep, making the damage more difficult to assess and repair.
Notably, Ukraine announced the strike by releasing footage taken from a Russian security camera, showing how deeply infiltrated Ukrainian intelligence services are in Russian networks.
To conduct the strike, Ukrainians used a new variant of underwater naval drone, the Toloka 1,000 or the Toloka 400. These new underwater drones, upgrades of the Toloka 150, can deliver between half a ton and 5 tons of explosives at a range of 1,000 to 2,000 kilometers, respectively. The drones can operate at a depth of up to 40 meters. Their compact design and quiet propulsion systems make them ideal for covert sabotage missions against high-value Russian naval and logistics infrastructure. However, Russian analysts note that Ukraine could have used multiple Toloka drones in sequence to breach defenses and collapse the bridge. They suggest that this was therefore not the main strike, but rather a field test of upgraded underwater drone capabilities. Operation Spiderweb demonstrated that Ukraine can strike deep into Russia using unconventional platforms, hitting unexpected targets beyond traditional frontlines. Now, with new and upgraded underwater drones in play, Russian analysts started raising the alarm that the Pacific naval assets are under imminent threat.
Russian analysts are worried that to hit Russia’s far east, Ukrainians could realistically use container ships laden with concealed naval drones. The Ukrainians operate a large fleet of merchant vessels, including container ships. These are more difficult to regulate and inspect, making it easier to smuggle the underwater drones in them. Furthermore, careful coordination of shipping towards international ports of Ukrainian allies, such as Australia, the United States, Japan, and South Korea, could reduce the risk of such an operation being intercepted, especially with the cooperation of allied intelligence services. Once the container ships enter the Sea of Japan, the Sea of Okhotsk, or even dock in Russian ports, they would already be within range of releasing underwater drones, with the Toloka 1,000 having a range of 2,000 kilometers at the least. Ukraine could launch these drones from the deck or through an underwater configuration comparable to a torpedo launch.
The targets would be the Russian naval bases in Vladivostok and on the Kamchatka Peninsula. The Vladivostok base houses the Russian Pacific surface fleet, with several destroyers, corvettes, and the flagship of the Russian Pacific fleet, the Cruiser Varyag. The base in Kamchatka houses Russia’s nuclear submarines, which are carriers of both nuclear-capable ballistic and cruise missiles, and is known as one of Russia’s most secure facilities. With the Toloka 1,000 having a maximum payload of up to 5 tons, 10 times higher than conventional torpedoes shown on screen now, Ukrainians could hit and sink several ships with only one drone. Such strikes would not have a direct military impact for Ukraine, but it would bring the war to the Russian home front in a way never seen before.
Additionally, it would undermine Russia’s ability to defend itself in a broader sense, eroding the Russian nuclear triad even further, after already having lost over a third of its strategic bomber fleet. Such an operation would exponentially magnify the pressure on Russia to seek a realistic negotiated peace settlement, as the Ukrainian Istanbul delegation already noted how, after the launch of Operation Spiderweb, their Russian counterparts were much less hostile than before. Overall, Ukraine’s strike on the Kerch Bridge fits into a broader, coordinated campaign, seemingly without range limitations. It marks the start of a new phase in long-range underwater warfare. With upgraded Toloka drones now capable of reaching over 2,000 kilometers, Russian analysts openly worry this was only a trial run, and that Ukraine’s real targets lie in the Pacific, where Russian nuclear submarines and warships sit vulnerable in a false sense of security.
As the pressure mounts and the reach of Ukraine’s unconventional operations expands, Ukraine is actively undermining Russia’s domestic and international projection of strength and invincibility.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/06/09/ukraine-threatens-russia-nuclear-subs/
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Not just me....seems this is being raised by a LOT of Ukrainians now as a serious option given Trump's hostility to Ukraine
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Okay.... wow, so....... apparently your good with and approve of slavery
I gotta get this right, you approve of forcibly kidnapping random people off the street, beating them into submission, and then forcing them to work against their will and most likely be killed as a result of this type of action......
If you believe this is okay and condone these barbaric actions..... you really need mental help..... serious mental help...
it's fucking slavery...... fuck me to tears......
Russia has conscription too. It's universal for men.
HisArpy
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As I've said repeatedly, this is stupid.
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