For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Rightguide]

You said they lost on the first post of this thread.


Parliament has the power per the Constitution. They have extended martial law due to the invasion.

The people can push for Parliament (i.e. their representatives) to do differently at any time.

Russia used to have a similar Constitution until Putin changed it to extend his rule beyond the accepted laws. He removed all opposition by force.

There was never any hope of Ukraine winning this war against a premier nuclear power with four times the population of Ukraine. Militarily, Ukraine lost this war before it started, and is in the process of being dismantled as we speak. There is no hope for a battlefield victory against the Russian Army in Ukraine. Further western involvement will only bring on WWIII. There's an old axiom, wars are won or lost twenty years before they begin. Ukraine hasn't had enough time in grade, and Europe has spent the last twenty years degrading its military power vis a vis the Russians.

 

[ll74]

There was never any hope of Ukraine winning this war

As I said.
...you said that I post 1.

against a premier nuclear power with four times the population of Ukraine.

And yet they're still in the fight.

Militarily, Ukraine lost this war before it started,

Not at all

and is in the process of being dismantled as we speak.

Which again, you have said since the start of this thread.

There is no hope for a battlefield victory against the Russian Army in Ukraine. Further western involvement will only bring on WWIII.

Which you've also predicted would happen from. The start of this thread.

There's an old axiom, wars are won or lost twenty years before they begin. Ukraine hasn't had enough time in grade, and Europe has spent the last twenty years degrading its military power vis a vis the Russians.

Youve declared the war over
You've declared it lost by Ukraine
You've declared more involvement leading to world war three

This entire thread is full of things you've decided were true.

And yet the war isn't over
And yet Ukraine hasn't lost
And yet there is no world war three.

You've been saying this since 2023.

 

[Baztrachian]

Yes but it's still Ukrainians press ganging people into their army, "Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine," "They force those who had already been in the army or those having fun in the evening, or trying to escape to Russia,"

Dude, it's Russians forcing Ukrainians into the Russian Army! And you're blaming this on Ukraine?

 

[Rightguide]

Dude, it's Russians forcing Ukrainians into the Russian Army! And you're blaming this on Ukraine?

It's about Ukrainians forcing Russian speaking-Ukrainians who support Russia into the Ukrainian Army who are trying to flee into Russia..

 

[icanhelp1]

Dude, it's Russians forcing Ukrainians into the Russian Army! And you're blaming this on Ukraine?

The question that needs to be asked is this... How important is Ukraine to Europe. Conventionally Ukraine cannot win. All the weapons available on the battle space aren't worth a hill of beans if they can't be manned. Does Germany, France, Poland and the UK have the moxie to give Putin an ultimatum...GET THE FUCK OUT! Or we will mobilize our troops. IMHO Russia can't win a conventional war against the the above. With secondary sanctions from the US and military involvement with the the strongest of European countries Russia will collapse..

 

[Baztrachian]

There was never any hope of Ukraine winning this war against a premier nuclear power with four times the population of Ukraine.

Bullshit. The Afghans beat a far superior Soviet military some thirty-five years ago. If a bunch of people who live in barely Iron Age conditions can defeat the Russians then so can the Ukrainians. And so far the Ukrainians are indeed beating the Russians merely by preventing them from winning.

 

[Baztrachian]

Conventionally Ukraine cannot win.

After three years the converse is true: Russia cannot win by conventional means.

 

[Baztrachian]

Yes but it's still Ukrainians press ganging people into their army, "Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine," "They force those who had already been in the army or those having fun in the evening, or trying to escape to Russia,"

Jesus fuck. Read your article!

"Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine have taken to press ganging fighting-aged men as old as 60 into their militias."

 

[ChloeTzang]

Jesus fuck. Read your article!

"Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine have taken to press ganging fighting-aged men as old as 60 into their militias."

They're also cpnscripting actual Ukrainians in the Occupied Territories into the Russian Army too, because they passed a law that said the occupied territories were part of Russia.

 

[Rightguide]

Bullshit. The Afghans beat a far superior Soviet military some thirty-five years ago. If a bunch of people who live in barely Iron Age conditions can defeat the Russians then so can the Ukrainians. And so far the Ukrainians are indeed beating the Russians merely by preventing them from winning.

In contrasting Russia’s experience in Afghanistan to its war in Ukraine, you ignore vast differences in terrain, logistics, and opponent capabilities. Afghanistan was a remote, mountainous guerrilla war fought against lightly armed insurgents, far from Soviet borders, with fragile lines of supply and minimal heavy weapon opposition.

Ukraine is a high-intensity conventional conflict fought on open plains and in dense urban centers, directly along Russia’s own borders, where logistical supply and reinforcement are far easier. Unlike the Mujahideen, Ukraine fields a modern army backed by NATO intelligence, advanced weaponry, with persistent overhead surveillance targeting real-time battlefield strike systems. Politically, Afghanistan was a costly foreign intervention; Ukraine is seen by Moscow as a core national and historical stake, ensuring a far deeper commitment of manpower, resources, and strategic resolve, two words that should never be taken lightly.

 

[ll74]

Battlefield genius has thoughts..lol.

 

[Rightguide]

Jesus fuck. Read your article!

"Officials in the Russian-backed separatist areas of eastern Ukraine have taken to press ganging fighting-aged men as old as 60 into their militias."

You read it, again.

 

[ll74]

You read it, again.

Yep ..Russians making 60 yr olds fight.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Just now. Gunpowder plant "Elastik" exploded in the Ryazan region of Russia.

Something went bang.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956367719852347514

 

[ChloeTzang]

Oh dear.

The blast occurred during the day and was followed by a fire that completely destroyed the gunpowder-producing facility. Preliminary accounts reported by Russian media point to possible safety violations in the workshop.

"F***, there’s not a single building left,” a local reacting to the reported gunpowder blast at the Elastic plant in , Ryazan. Footage suggests the facility has been knocked out for an extended period, potentially leaving w/ a much smaller supply of gunpowder for its shells.

https://kyivindependent.com/explosion-at-russian-gunpowder-plant-leaves-5-dead-20-injured/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956289906289909763

 

[icanhelp1]

Bullshit. The Afghans beat a far superior Soviet military some thirty-five years ago. If a bunch of people who live in barely Iron Age conditions can defeat the Russians then so can the Ukrainians. And so far the Ukrainians are indeed beating the Russians merely by preventing them from winning.

Couple of things. Afghanistan was never part of Russia or the Soviet Union. During the Russo/Afghan war the home fires were much different back then. Moms of dead Russian soldiers grew tired of body bags returning home with their dead children for no apparent national strategy or common good.

Today, Putin has convinced the Russian people that Ukraine is part of the homeland and worth fighting for. There are many reasons that moms aren't rising up, one is national pride the other is Putin rules with an iron fist, the propaganda machine is working overtime. imho

I'm not saying Russia can't be beaten, Ukraine cannot do it by itself. It's one wave after another, eventually the Ukraine people will lose the will to fight. Europe needs to threaten troops on the ground combined with secondary sanctions. I do agree that Ukraine must not be allowed to fall.

 

[ll74]

MAGA fucks celebrating an autocratic fuckhead being allowed on US soil.

Disgusting.

And they're going to stroke each other's.....egos......nothing good will come from this

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump better get with the program

What a big shift toward Ukraine among the GOP from 6 months ago.

% who think we give Ukraine too much support has dropped dramatically from 47% to 30%.

% who say we should give more arms to Ukraine has jumped from 30% to 51%.

Oh & Putin: GOP hates him with 84% unfavorable.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956375078045704645

 

[ChloeTzang]

A Day that will live forever in Infamy

The world’s war criminal #1 and the key figure behind currently the world’s largest war and the most brutal European war of aggression since WWII ends up like this, pleased into oblivion and received as an emperor on the U.S. soil. Of course, he couldn’t be more rewarded and encouraged to go on with his wars and mass murders.

 

[ll74]

A Day that will live forever in Infamy

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Haha...Putin has his hand in front.

Poor dear leader bested

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russians encircled and trapped in the Pokrovsk direction - just imagine what Ukraine could be doing if they actually had support from the USA

The cause of the original Russian success was incompetence from the Ukrainian Supreme Command

The success if the Ukrainian counter-attack was due to the skills of the Ukranian soldiers and lower-level commanders

Significant Russian losses. Large numbers of Russian soldiers surrendering.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russia cannot prevent Ukrainian strikes on Russian infrastructure

Ukraine is systematically destroying Russia's refinery capacity - they have taken down 10% or Russia's oil and gas revenue in the last 2 weeks - hard currecy that Russia needs to continue the war, and this will have a huige flow on effect on the Russian economy.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Russia cannot prevent Ukrainian strikes on Russian infrastructure

Ukraine is systematically destroying Russia's refinery capacity - they have taken down 10% or Russia's oil and gas revenue in the last 2 weeks - hard currecy that Russia needs to continue the war, and this will have a huige flow on effect on the Russian economy.

And THIS ^^^^ is what is so revealing. The overall incompetence of the Russian military, both offense and defense is shocking. And that is NOT good news. All they have left is nuclear and they know it.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Timothy Snyder: Trump has made Ukraine war 'longer and worse'​

Snyder is a historian and the author of some pretty authoritative books on Eastern Europe. This one's worth listening too, even tho it's MSNBC

Quite a scathing take on the meeting in Alaska. Basically Trump is a loudmouth who blusters and rants and does nothing to help Ukraine, while makimg huges concessions to Russia for nothing in return.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And THIS ^^^^ is what is so revealing. The overall incompetence of the Russian military, both offense and defense is shocking. And that is NOT good news. All they have left is nuclear and they know it.

No, it's not good news, and neither would the nuclear response from Ukraine be,