For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[HisArpy]

Some interesting subjects have been brought up lately, precisely that of 'land swaps.' Exactly how would that work and why would Russia be interested? Ukraine holds no land that was Russian. (Yes, there's that bulge up Kursk. More for show than any strategic value.)

So what gives with this 'land swap?' Reliable reports have stated that Russia has ordered all non-essential and military dependents out of the Crimea and have recommended that Russian citizens also evacuate. Is Russia considering offering up Crimea as a swap?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. 200 years ago Crimea was an important strategic parcel of land, perhaps even a 100 years ago. Now it is a hard to defend albatross around the neck of whoever occupies it. In an era of precision long range weapons it's a logistic nightmare. The Ukrainians have rendered it almost useless as a maritime hub and are holding the airfields vulnerable. And it's sure as shit worthless as a base for an armored offense. I think it's entirely possible that Putin would offer to trade the Crimean Peninsula for the mineral rich region he already occupies.

Russia needs Crimea because of the military port there. Putin's not going to swap that for anything because it's why he invaded in the first place.

My concern with letting Russia have Crimea is that eventually someone will realize that it's locked by the Bosporus straight, which is controlled by Turkey. Once that happens, Turkey will be Russia's next target.

 

[ll74]

Correct. Putin will continue to invade and Ukraine will continue to fight until a negotiated settlement is reached at some point in the distant future. There is no scenario in which one side wins a decisive victory.

It hasn't been about a decisive victory since they failed at Kyiv.

Putin wants (like Kim Jung Un) to remain a relevant world leader.....even though he isn't beyond the bullshit that the right wants to give him.

Our President should be supporting peace, but instead is focused on giving Putin 30% of the land he hasn't advanced on.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Some interesting subjects have been brought up lately, precisely that of 'land swaps.' Exactly how would that work and why would Russia be interested? Ukraine holds no land that was Russian. (Yes, there's that bulge up Kursk. More for show than any strategic value.)

So what gives with this 'land swap?' Reliable reports have stated that Russia has ordered all non-essential and military dependents out of the Crimea and have recommended that Russian citizens also evacuate. Is Russia considering offering up Crimea as a swap?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. 200 years ago Crimea was an important strategic parcel of land, perhaps even a 100 years ago. Now it is a hard to defend albatross around the neck of whoever occupies it. In an era of precision long range weapons it's a logistic nightmare. The Ukrainians have rendered it almost useless as a maritime hub and are holding the airfields vulnerable. And it's sure as shit worthless as a base for an armored offense. I think it's entirely possible that Putin would offer to trade the Crimean Peninsula for the mineral rich region he already occupies.

I haven’t read or heard anything about Crimea being on the table.

Here’s another quote from the WSJ article I linked to in an earlier post in this thread today:

Ukraine’s leadership has quietly come to accept that it doesn’t have the military strength to get its borders back in full. Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky indicated his willingness to negotiate about territory in video calls with President Trump and European leaders—after a cease-fire that freezes the current front line.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Russia needs Crimea because of the military port there. Putin's not going to swap that for anything because it's why he invaded in the first place.

My concern with letting Russia have Crimea is that eventually someone will realize that it's locked by the Bosporus straight, which is controlled by Turkey. Once that happens, Turkey will be Russia's next target.

Like I said, the Ukrainians have rendered Sevastopol virtually useless. The Russians have already moved their important assets out of there.

 

[Pad_Foot]

The World is FUCKED with Putin’s Puppy back in line licking his ass and Putin’s

 

[Rebel5soul]

I haven’t read or heard anything about Crimea being on the table.

Here’s another quote from the WSJ article I linked to in an earlier post in this thread today:

Ukraine’s leadership has quietly come to accept that it doesn’t have the military strength to get its borders back in full. Last week, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky indicated his willingness to negotiate about territory in video calls with President Trump and European leaders—after a cease-fire that freezes the current front line.

There has been no public mention. I'm merely investigating possibilities based on Russia's evacuation orders.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Wouldn't be nice if the TDS posters would at least demonstrate they have two functioning brain cells to rub together?

 

[ll74]

Wouldn't be nice if the TDS posters would at least demonstrate they have two functioning brain cells to rub together?

Lol

"I don't agree with you, therefore you have no brain cells"

And this is your position, not a liberal position.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Nonsense

The view from Ukraine is somewhat diferent.

Essentially what has happened is that Trump made lots of noise about how if there was no immediate ceasefire from Russia it would be sanctions and pressure. Congress has a sanctions bill ready to go with overwhelmmg support in the Senate.

Putin flew in and Trump rolled like a French whore. No ceasefire. No pressure on Russia. No sanctions. Nope, Trump came out and said Ukraine must give up land, these are Putin's conditions, I'm not negotiating for Ukraine. Maybe in a few weeks this, maybe in in a few weeks that, maybe whatever whatever, but Zelensky must capitulate, because there were other conditions besides giving up the Donbas completely which basically ensure Russian control if Ukraine, which ISN'T going to happen.

I Zelemsky was silly enough to agree, which he isn't, the Ukrainians would turf him out on his ass and someone more hardline would replace him.

And we know Zelensky will turn up on Monday and Trump will try and browbeat him into agreeimg, which isn't goig to happen. Trump will the throw a tantrum, wash his hands off the whole thing, ensurimg trhe USA's participation in any international agreements and treaties is worthless, which it already is thanks to Trump, and we know he will then dohis best to help Putin.

TRump has been bought.

 

[icanhelp1]

The view from Ukraine is somewhat diferent.

Essentially what has happened is that Trump made lots of noise about how if there was no immediate ceasefire from Russia it would be sanctions and pressure. Congress has a sanctions bill ready to go with overwhelmmg support in the Senate.

Putin flew in and Trump rolled like a French whore. No ceasefire. No pressure on Russia. No sanctions. Nope, Trump came out and said Ukraine must give up land, these are Putin's conditions, I'm not negotiating for Ukraine. Maybe in a few weeks this, maybe in in a few weeks that, maybe whatever whatever, but Zelensky must capitulate, because there were other conditions besides giving up the Donbas completely which basically ensure Russian control if Ukraine, which ISN'T going to happen.

I Zelemsky was silly enough to agree, which he isn't, the Ukrainians would turf him out on his ass and someone more hardline would replace him.

And we know Zelensky will turn up on Monday and Trump will try and browbeat him into agreeimg, which isn't goig to happen. Trump will the throw a tantrum, wash his hands off the whole thing, ensurimg trhe USA's participation in any international agreements and treaties is worthless, which it already is thanks to Trump, and we know he will then dohis best to help Putin.

TRump has been bought.


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My opinion Western Europe needs to mobilize, pack their Rucks and threaten to put boots on the ground. Stop fighting Russian via the Ukrainian blood and treasure. If Europe is so concerned about after Ukraine... Russia has designs on Europe. Bring it to a head.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Correct. Putin will continue to invade and Ukraine will continue to fight until a negotiated settlement is reached at some point in the distant future. There is no scenario in which one side wins a decisive victory.

Incorrect. The Russian Federation will collapse economically in 2026, and the military with it. The warning signs are all there.

Putin's probem is that anything less that outright victory will result in his death. He can't stop. He can't sign a ceasefire. He's too far in to stop now, and Ukraine will not roll over. Trump is delusional and has no undertanding of either Putin or Russia. Ukraone will fight on without the USA's support if they need to, they will win, and Trump will go down along with Chamberlain as a shitstain on history. He knows very little about Europe, even less about Russia, and he's completely out of his depth on this one.

The collapse of the Russian Federation will lead to a decisive Ukrainian victory, the overthrow of the puppet govts in Belarus, Georgia, Chechyna and Dagestaan and probably quite a few other colonies within the Russian Empire. The challenge will be to neutralize all those Russian nukes at that point.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The view from Ukraine is somewhat diferent.

Essentially what has happened is that Trump made lots of noise about how if there was no immediate ceasefire from Russia it would be sanctions and pressure. Congress has a sanctions bill ready to go with overwhelmmg support in the Senate.

Putin flew in and Trump rolled like a French whore. No ceasefire. No pressure on Russia. No sanctions. Nope, Trump came out and said Ukraine must give up land, these are Putin's conditions, I'm not negotiating for Ukraine. Maybe in a few weeks this, maybe in in a few weeks that, maybe whatever whatever, but Zelensky must capitulate, because there were other conditions besides giving up the Donbas completely which basically ensure Russian control if Ukraine, which ISN'T going to happen.

I Zelemsky was silly enough to agree, which he isn't, the Ukrainians would turf him out on his ass and someone more hardline would replace him.

And we know Zelensky will turn up on Monday and Trump will try and browbeat him into agreeimg, which isn't goig to happen. Trump will the throw a tantrum, wash his hands off the whole thing, ensurimg trhe USA's participation in any international agreements and treaties is worthless, which it already is thanks to Trump, and we know he will then dohis best to help Putin.

TRump has been bought.


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Leading up to the meeting, Trump framed it as “a listening exercise” with the goal being a second meeting. No deal was struck. Nothing has changed.

 

[HisArpy]

The World is FUCKED with Putin’s Puppy back in line licking his ass and Putin’s

Yeah, yeah, we've heard this before out of you. What else you got other than a repeat of yesterday's sniveling?

 

[dmallord]

Ukraine’s military has unveiled the Privet-299, a low-cost wooden drone capable of surveillance, precision strikes, and reuse. Paired with Su-27 jets armed with Western glide bombs, it delivered a devastating blow to elite Russian troops near Bakhmut on August 11th. This innovation extends Ukraine’s “kill zone” behind enemy lines, disrupts Russian logistics, and adds another domestically produced weapon to its growing arsenal—all at a fraction of traditional costs.

The ZSU's 28th Mechanized took out at least part of Russia's 98th airborne division using a combimation of these drones and Su-27 delivered glid bombs

Wooden drones... a throw back to bows and arrows being updated by crossbows. Good news!

 

[dmallord]

Leading up to the meeting, Trump framed it as “a listening exercise” with the goal being a second meeting. No deal was struck. Nothing has changed.

Poor imagery fella. Things have changed.

Before the Alaska trip, Trump was all belligerent about Putin and sanctions if he didn't bend to Trump's image of the great negotiator. Funny how that changed on the tarmac with a red carpet reception for a war criminal's arrival on US soil. Putin came... he saw deflection... he conquered. 'Veni vidi vici.' the dictator thought as he smiled and shook Trump's hand.

'Will you put on stricter sanctions?' reporters asked. Trump's reply wasn't hard to guess, 'In two weeks, maybe three, we will know... It's up to Zalenskyy to make peace.'

The TACO has spoken.

 

[dmallord]

My opinion Western Europe needs to mobilize, pack their Rucks and threaten to put boots on the ground. Stop fighting Russian via the Ukrainian blood and treasure. If Europe is so concerned about after Ukraine... Russia has designs on Europe. Bring it to a head.

Welcome brother! Hell yeah, let's all mobilize on the 'Eastern Front' and grind the Ruskies into the ground. Arm Ukraine to the teeth and missles to reach all the refineries, railyards, and military depots.

I saw a video today of Russian soldiers in shackles and chains being transported to the 'Western Front' seems those fellas aren't eager to get tossed into the meat grinder. So, yeah, they will run when the lead gets hot.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Poor imagery fella. Things have changed.

Before the Alaska trip, Trump was all belligerent about Putin and sanctions if he didn't bend to Trump's image of the great negotiator. Funny how that changed on the tarmac with a red carpet reception for a war criminal's arrival on US soil. Putin came... he saw deflection... he conquered. 'Veni vidi vici.' the dictator thought as he smiled and shook Trump's hand.

'Will you put on stricter sanctions?' reporters asked. Trump's reply wasn't hard to guess, 'In two weeks, maybe three, we will know... It's up to Zalenskyy to make peace.'

The TACO has spoken.

This is what was said the day before the meeting. No deals were reached. Nothing has changed. The president spoke with Zelenskyy and European leaders afterwards and they will be visiting the White House tomorrow.

A "highly anticipated" meeting. An opportunity to "feel out" where Russian President Vladimir Putin stands. A "listening exercise."
That's how President Donald Trump and the White House have described Friday's summit in Alaska, their first time meeting in person since Putin's brutal invasion of Ukraine and Trump's return to office.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-set-expectations-meeting-putin/story?id=124621041

 

[RoryN]

Nothing has changed.

Correct - you're still a racist:

[Elizabeth Holms riots] Geez, the case hasn’t even gone to the jury and the rioters in CA are already looting the high end fashion stores. If the verdict goes the wrong way the streets of Walnut Creek, San Francisco, and LA could be filled with blondes in black turtlenecks. Not even going to guess how this would all go down if she were black.

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/elizabeth-holmes-riots.1556275/

I notice you didn't deny your racism.

I stand by my posts.

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...-poles-at-white-house.1635778/#post-101160065

 

[Lazaran]

Leading up to the meeting, Trump framed it as “a listening exercise” with the goal being a second meeting. No deal was struck. Nothing has changed.

Poor imagery fella. Things have changed.

Before the Alaska trip, Trump was all belligerent about Putin and sanctions if he didn't bend to Trump's image of the great negotiator. Funny how that changed on the tarmac with a red carpet reception for a war criminal's arrival on US soil. Putin came... he saw deflection... he conquered. 'Veni vidi vici.' the dictator thought as he smiled and shook Trump's hand.

'Will you put on stricter sanctions?' reporters asked. Trump's reply wasn't hard to guess, 'In two weeks, maybe three, we will know... It's up to Zalenskyy to make peace.'

The TACO has spoken.

This is what was said the day before the meeting. No deals were reached. Nothing has changed. The president spoke with Zelenskyy and European leaders afterwards and they will be visiting the White House tomorrow.

A "highly anticipated" meeting. An opportunity to "feel out" where Russian President Vladimir Putin stands. A "listening exercise."
That's how President Donald Trump and the White House have described Friday's summit in Alaska, their first time meeting in person since Putin's brutal invasion of Ukraine and Trump's return to office.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-set-expectations-meeting-putin/story?id=124621041

BabyBoobs (a LYING / GASLIGHTING POS MAGAt) is LYING / GASLIGHTING…AGAIN.



Meanwhile:

DonOld said all sorts of shit before the meeting:

DonOld said the war would be over in 24hours after he was elected (it wasn’t - obviously…).

DonOld said Ukraine didn’t have the cards (Ukraine showed DonOld their cards with operation spiderweb & a string of impressive & crippling strategic strikes against Russia’s war infrastructure - including the oil production that funds & fuels Putin’s war machine).

DonOld said there would be serious consequences & sanctions if Putin / Russia didn’t agree to a ceasefire (Putin laughed, and spit in DonOld’s face - multiple times).

DonOld said he wasn’t Putin’s puppet (DonOld is OBVIOUSLY Putin’s puppet).



Hope that ^ helps.



BabyBoobs



We. Told. Them. So.



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[ChloeTzang]

Let's take a look at Trump's negotiatorand envoy to Russia: Steve Witkof

Steve Witkoff has deep ties to Russia. Behind his image as a real estate developer lies a network of oligarch connections, Kremlin-linked capital, and political positions that have consistently leaned toward Moscow. Witkoff’s closest partner in business has been billionaire Len Blavatnik, whose Access Industries co-financed some of the largest luxury developments in New York and Miami. Blavatnik, though often branded as a Western investor, made his fortune alongside sanctioned oligarchs Mikhail Fridman, German Khan, and Viktor Vekselberg in the AAR consortium, which sold its stake in TNK-BP to Rosneft for $55 billion. That deal directly enriched them through Putin’s state oil giant, cementing a Kremlin connection at the heart of Blavatnik’s wealth.

Blavatnik himself has given millions to Republican politics, including a million-dollar check to Trump’s inauguration, while Ukraine sanctioned him in 2023 for his Russian ties. From Blavatnik the chain runs deeper: to Vekselberg, sanctioned for advancing Kremlin foreign policy, to Oleg Deripaska, Putin’s favored aluminum magnate and longtime target of U.S. sanctions, and to Alfa Group’s Fridman and Aven, accused of benefiting from security service ties and Putin’s system of controlled oligarchy. These men form the network from which Blavatnik’s billions were built, and Witkoff, by aligning himself with Blavatnik, enters a circle that cannot be separated from Kremlin influence.

As envoy, Witkoff has stepped beyond private business into highly sensitive diplomacy. In 2025 he traveled to Moscow on multiple occasions, often without U.S. policy officials present, instead relying on Kremlin-provided interpreters, an unusual practice that raised questions about transparency and control of the record.

In his public appearances, he praised Vladimir Putin as “super smart,” language that U.S. diplomats typically avoid given the adversarial context. More critically, Witkoff appeared to validate Russia’s staged referendums in occupied Ukrainian territories, downplayed Ukraine’s sovereignty by referring to it as a “false state” and promoted negotiation frameworks centered on territorial concessions and land exchanges. Each of these positions aligns closely with longstanding Kremlin objectives: securing recognition of its territorial gains, fragmenting Ukraine’s legitimacy, and shaping peace talks on Moscow’s terms. Russian state outlets amplified his remarks, portraying them as evidence of softening U.S. resolve.

The picture is clear: Steve Witkoff is not simply a Trump friend entering diplomacy. His business network intersects with oligarch wealth tied to Rosneft, his partners are linked to Putin’s circle, and his public statements have echoed Russia’s messaging on Ukraine. In his role as envoy, he has become both a messenger and a potential asset for Moscow, blending U.S. politics, private deals, and Russian state interests in a way that demands serious scrutiny.

This calls into question just why Trump appointed him, and what ties Trump himself has with Russia that would lead him to appoint Witkoff to the position he is in.

 

[dmallord]

This is what was said the day before the meeting. No deals were reached. Nothing has changed. The president spoke with Zelenskyy and European leaders afterwards and they will be visiting the White House tomorrow.

A "highly anticipated" meeting. An opportunity to "feel out" where Russian President Vladimir Putin stands. A "listening exercise."
That's how President Donald Trump and the White House have described Friday's summit in Alaska, their first time meeting in person since Putin's brutal invasion of Ukraine and Trump's return to office.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-set-expectations-meeting-putin/story?id=124621041

Gezzus, what's taht movie where they put in a look alike for the president? 'cause it sure ain't the one that we had in office the day before. Russian's already swapped him out for a diplomatic fella?

Telephony or in persences-phony don't make no difference about it. 'cept maybe we see the 'losing face' elements upfront and personal.

The brutal invasion, you got right. The talking pundit in the press box got the rest of the story highly slanted.

In two minutes, the felon said he'd know if the war criminal wanted peace or not. Took three hours and all he had to say was, 'in two or three weeks we'll know... That's the prresident we know for sure is running our country... into the ground. I'm predicting that in two or three weeks we still will not know, based upon past comments he's made.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump and Witkoff are on Putin's side. Its really something when the US President is sidimg with a totalitarian dictatorship against a European democracy that Russia has invaded.

A dictatorship that is carrying out a genocidal campaign of extermination in the territories it occupies.

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChloeTzang]

Trump refused a joint meeting with European leaders and will talk with Zelensky one-on-one. Expect another shit-show from Trump.

Respect to Elon Musk for figuring it out and walking away.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Russia's Caspian Sea Sanctuary collapses

The sinking of a Russian ship in the Caspian is not an isolated event. It is a fatal symptom of a system in collapse, a regime rotting from the inside out, led by a man whose body now mirrors his failing state.

Moscow sold the Caspian as an untouchable sanctuary, a safe backyard insulated from the war. That illusion was destroyed by a Ukrainian drone, proving no harbor is safe and that Russia's strategic depth has vanished. This is more than a military loss; it is a psychological shockwave rippling through the Kremlin's elite. There's also speculation the drone may have been launched from Azerbaijan

From Kyiv, the signs of this "Brezhnevization" converge. We see Putin, swollen and visibly trembling, relaunching 2022 ultimatums as if time does not exist. While his propaganda projects strength, Ukrainian strikes have crippled nearly a fifth of Russia's oil refining capacity, strangling the regime's financial arteries and it's going to get worse with every week.

Russia is advancing on the battlefield. Gaining a field here, a field there, at the cost of 1000 men a day. That's not progress. That's defeat staring Putin in the face. The Russian military is hollowing out. The Russian financial system is collapsing. Russian industry is being destroyed.

This is the story of a failing system. A shrinking ruler, a hollowing military, and a deep rot that can no longer be hidden. The collapse is not coming: it is already underway.

Trump has picked the losing side.