For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

I don't understand how you can continue with this pretense. The US is willing to give Article 5 level protections directly from the US and not through NATO, and yet you still think Trump is supporting Putin.

I also think you need to talk to your parents about what happens when war is allowed to continue unchecked.

He isn't willing to do that.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I don't understand how you can continue with this pretense. The US is willing to give Article 5 level protections directly from the US and not through NATO, and yet you still think Trump is supporting Putin.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Article 5 protections are words on paper. Neither Europe nor America has lived up to previous committments. What has changed? It's American boots on the ground, along with Europeans and NATO membership, or it's meaningless. Altenratively, we give Ukraine their nukes back.

Yes. Trump is supporting Putin. Literally EVERYTHING he does and says points to this end. And the Alaska summit was.....a disaster.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Pokrovsk is free. Russian soldiers have been expelled from Pokrovsk. The goal of his summer offensive has been shattered.

Why would Trump want to force Ukraine to hand over this fortress city to Russia? The "Gateway to Donestsk." It's a puzzle, I'm sure.

After weeks of brutal fighting, Ukraine has reclaimed one of Donetsk’s most vital cities, shattering Russia’s summer offensive. What was nearly a turning point for Putin has become a devastating defeat, with over 1,200 Russian casualties, massive equipment losses, and the collapse of infiltration attempts. Ukraine’s secret weapon? Ground drones armed with machine guns, changing the battlefield forever. Watch how Russia lost everything in Pokrovsk. Subscribe for more frontline updates.

 

[ChloeTzang]

And supporting that level of disrespect in your meme isn't helpful to solving the political issues which created the conflict in the first place.

The leader of the free world can wear whatever he wants.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Ohhhhhhh. Now Russia targeting the SOCAR site in Odessa with a strike makes sense. It belongs to Azerbaijan. This will only incentivize Azerbaijan to come down even more firmly on the side of helping Ukraine.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The situation of the Druzhba pipeline is actually far worse than was thought. Last night NASA FIRMS confirmed that the hub and pump station in Novonikolske, Tambov region, in Russia was burning. Satellite pictures show that large parts of the facility are completely destroyed. Together with the successful strikes against two Druzhba pump stations in the Bryansk region it is obvious that the entire Druzhba pipeline from the Tambov region in Russia all the way to the west is rendered inoperative for quite some time. Pumping is halted indefinitely.

The operation was conducted by the Ukrainian 14th UAV regiment.


Ukraine has completely destroyed the Druzhba oil pipeline. The transfer of oil from russia to Europe is now suspended indefinitely, — Commander of the Special Security Service “Madyar.”

No more Russian oil for Slovakia or Hungary either.

Austrian oil and gas company OMV and Slovakian company Transpetrol have officially announced their decision to stop work on a new pipeline project. The aim of the project was to transport Russian oil from the Druzhba pipeline through Slovakia to the Schwechat oil refinery near Vienna, as ORF reported. The construction of the pipeline through Slovakia was initiated by OMV in 2003. The project involved the construction of a 62-kilometer-long pipeline between the Schwechat refinery and Bratislava to connect to the Russian Druzhba oil pipeline. After more than 20 years of unsuccessful attempts to obtain all necessary permits from Slovakia, further investments in this project are considered unfeasible.

 

[Rightguide]

I don't understand how you can continue with this pretense. The US is willing to give Article 5 level protections directly from the US and not through NATO, and yet you still think Trump is supporting Putin.

And supporting that level of disrespect in your meme isn't helpful to solving the political issues which created the conflict in the first place.

I also think you need to talk to your parents about what happens when war is allowed to continue unchecked.

They make no sense. This is not our war, it’s Biden’s war, and he unleashed it without the resources or strategy to win. Short of a World War III mobilization, which the U.S. cannot and should not attempt, we were never in a position to defeat Russia in Ukraine. The losses and chaos we’re seeing are the direct result of his mismanagement and overreach.

 

[icanhelp1]

We gave the invader a warm welcome to our country.

I have no idea why "screaming at our opponent" is along the same lines.


They are our adversary....in the definition of the word. They (and he) has been actively working to destabilize western governments. They actively work to break up NATO on the regular.

He is a mediator of two opposing sides. Neither are our opponent.

One is our ally. The other is our adversary.

If the West, including recent democrat administrations, expectations are unsatisfactory perhaps the line in the sand should have been drawn and enforced 10 years ago.

So now the feckless foreign policy of the last 2 democrat administrations has blown up into to major conflagrations (Iran vs Israel) and (Ukraine vs Russia) and now this is all Trump's fault.

Obama and Biden have both funded Iran's and Russia's military coffers, directly and indirectly. Night drops of pallets of cash to Iran, lack of enforcement of sanctions against Iran, eliminating the sanctions on Nord Stream II pipeline feeding the Russian economy, all of which funded military aggression against their neighbors.

The left's lack of self awareness is galling. The left's willingness to give Obama and Biden a *get out of jail free* card is, welp, to call it hypocritical is an understatement.

 

[Rightguide]

If the West, including recent democrat administrations, expectations are unsatisfactory perhaps the line in the sand should have been drawn and enforced 10 years ago.

So now the feckless foreign policy of the last 2 democrat administrations has blown up into to major conflagrations (Iran vs Israel) and (Ukraine vs Russia) and now this is all Trump's fault.

Obama and Biden have both funded Iran's and Russia's military coffers, directly and indirectly. Night drops of pallets of cash to Iran, lack of enforcement of sanctions against Iran, eliminating the sanctions on Nord Stream II pipeline feeding the Russian economy, all of which funded military aggression against their neighbors.

The left's lack of self awareness is galling. The left's willingness to give Obama and Biden a *get out of jail free* card is, welp, to call it hypocritical is an understatement.

He has little grasp of the facts on the ground in Ukraine or the human consequences of the Obama and Biden presidencies.

 

[icanhelp1]

They make no sense. This is not our war, it’s Biden’s war, and he unleashed it without the resources or strategy to win. Short of a World War III mobilization, which the U.S. cannot and should not attempt, we were never in a position to defeat Russia in Ukraine. The losses and chaos we’re seeing are the direct result of his mismanagement and overreach.

It goes farther back than Biden. This is Obama's wars. Obama laid the foundation for this mess. I don't completely blame Biden for his fecklessness. He was cognitively impaired even before entering office.

 

[Rightguide]

It goes farther back than Biden. This is Obama's wars. Obama laid the foundation for this mess. I don't completely blame Biden for his fecklessness. He was cognitively impaired even before entering office.

This is true. All roads of American chaos in Ukraine lead to Obama, even the incubation of the Biden presidency.

 

[ll74]

If the West, including recent democrat administrations, expectations are unsatisfactory perhaps the line in the sand should have been drawn and enforced 10 years ago.

So now the feckless foreign policy of the last 2 democrat administrations has blown up into to major conflagrations (Iran vs Israel) and (Ukraine vs Russia) and now this is all Trump's fault.

Obama and Biden have both funded Iran's and Russia's military coffers, directly and indirectly. Night drops of pallets of cash to Iran, lack of enforcement of sanctions against Iran, eliminating the sanctions on Nord Stream II pipeline feeding the Russian economy, all of which funded military aggression against their neighbors.

The left's lack of self awareness is galling. The left's willingness to give Obama and Biden a *get out of jail free* card is, welp, to call it hypocritical is an understatement.

We gave the invader a warm welcome.

No self.awareness is needed beyond those that support our administration.

 

[icanhelp1]

We gave the invader a warm welcome.

No self.awareness is needed beyond those that support our administration.

And Biden gave away 300+ billion dollars of American taxpayers money with no strings attached and no end in sight.

 

[ll74]

And Biden gave away 300+ billion dollars of American taxpayers money with no strings attached and no end in sight.

Lol... Congress did that. And they had a limit.

 

[Rightguide]

We gave the invader a warm welcome.

No self.awareness is needed beyond those that support our administration.

There’s only one man on the planet who can actually bring Putin and Zelensky to the table, Donald Trump. First, he had to sit down with Putin and see if a path to peace even existed. Today, he tests whether Zelensky is willing to step up. If a deal isn’t possible, we can walk away, no American lives wasted, no wars fought. The American people aren’t asking for a new American conflict, only common sense.

 

[ll74]

There’s only one man on the planet who can actually bring Putin and Zelensky to the table, Donald Trump.

Neither one has been at the same table together

First, he had to sit down with Putin and see if a path to peace even existed. Today, he tests whether Zelensky is willing to step up. If a deal isn’t possible, we can walk away, no American lives wasted, no wars fought. The American people aren’t asking for a new American conflict, only common sense.

Putin needs to step up. Trump needs to force him to stop his invasion.

 

[HisArpy]

Putin needs to step up. Trump needs to force him to stop his invasion.

With what, dudly? A threat of US or NATO nukes? US invasion of Russia? What do you think Putin's response to that would be?

 

[ChloeTzang]

LOL. The day we see Putin and Zelensky at the same table, I'll buy weveryone here a coffee.

Trump will make his call. Putin will make his excuses. Trump will blame Zelensky for not making enough concessions. Or something,

All Trump needs to do is STFU and sell Ukraine all the weapons and ammo they want. We'll see peace pretty quickly then. May not be anything left of the Russian oil industry or Russian military be then of course.

 

[ChloeTzang]

With what, dudly? A threat of US or NATO nukes? US invasion of Russia? What do you think Putin's response to that would be?

Nothing so crass. Two hundred F16's, a thousand Bradleys and US industry supplying a few million drones to Ukraine should do it.

Oh, and sanctions. Let's not forget sanctions. The bill is ready.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

Putin's response.....

To conduct indefinitely long ‘talks for a peace treaty’ amid ongoing full-scale hostilities, without even a ceasefire, is such a historical nonsense that only someone trying to buy time to keep the war going could propose it -- and only a complete idiot, blind to what is happening and where he stands, could think it’s a brilliant plan.

What's very interesting is that Zelensky can "end this war any moment" by surrendering his country and betraying his people and his heroically fighting military, but Putin at the same time absolutely can't -- he is unequivocally forced into slaughtering hundreds of people on battlefields and murdering peaceful Ukrainians in their homes every single day.

Go figure.

 

[HisArpy]

Nothing so crass. Two hundred F16's, a thousand Bradleys and US industry supplying a few million drones to Ukraine should do it.

Oh, and sanctions. Let's not forget sanctions. The bill is ready.....

Yeah, let's start WWIII because of anti-Trump sentiment and TDS.

 

[ll74]

With what, dudly? A threat of US or NATO nukes? US invasion of Russia? What do you think Putin's response to that would be?

With force. So your answer is to capitulate to Russia.

Got it

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Sounds like a positive meeting today, at least so far. Still going on in the Oval Office. Here’s one reporter’s recent summary posted on X:

Listening to events at White House, the three central issues are: 1) What territory Ukraine will concede to Russia; 2) Whether sending US troops to Ukraine will be part of 'security guarantees'; and 3) Whether there will be an Article 5-like deal that gives Ukraine NATO-level protection -- and obliges other countries to its defense -- without being a member of NATO. Two and three are obviously of great importance to Trump's domestic support, and not just the MAGA base.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Here's a hint: It won't end, and Trump will come up with more excuses to try and help Putin

 

[ChloeTzang]

Sounds like a positive meeting today, at least so far. Still going on in the Oval Office. Here’s one reporter’s recent summary posted on X:

Listening to events at White House, the three central issues are: 1) What territory Ukraine will concede to Russia; 2) Whether sending US troops to Ukraine will be part of 'security guarantees'; and 3) Whether there will be an Article 5-like deal that gives Ukraine NATO-level protection -- and obliges other countries to its defense -- without being a member of NATO. Two and three are obviously of great importance to Trump's domestic support, and not just the MAGA base.

1) won't happen.
2) won't happen and with no US boots on the ground, it's no deal. No-one trusts Putin
3) Article 5 deal is just more worthless paper

Putin won't agree to a ceasefire in place - he knows his only help of getting Donetsk is to have Trump force Zelensky to capitulate and that's not happening
Putin won't show for any meeting with Zelenskyy