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[Sean Renaud]

Maybe if he'd said Russian or possibly Chinese I might have bought it. I mean those are both Hollywood favorites for the bad guys. It's gotten to the point where they need to make a movie where the Americans are the bad guys.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Here we see some Germans being persecuted by a Brit. That proves it is happening.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3304801/basil-fawlty-o.gif

How do you know those are Germans? Anyhow, John Cleese is standing at attention and saluting them, which is not exactly persecution. As for mocking them, the show is a comedy and, in this episode is mocking German militarism, not Germans themselves.

 

[phrodeau]

How do you know those are Germans? Anyhow, John Cleese is standing at attention and saluting them, which is not exactly persecution. As for mocking them, the show is a comedy and, in this episode is mocking German militarism, not Germans themselves.

Oh, it's the fingers-making-a-Hitler-mustache salute. I see.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Maybe if he'd said Russian or possibly Chinese I might have bought it. I mean those are both Hollywood favorites for the bad guys. It's gotten to the point where they need to make a movie where the Americans are the bad guys.

Such movies are not unheard of. Here is some info on one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/1...movie-that-will-put-us-troops-in-more-danger/

Here is another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tos3dCc1J94

 

[Boxlicker101]

Oh, it's the fingers-making-a-Hitler-mustache salute. I see.

That and the goose-stepping.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Such movies are not unheard of. Here is some info on one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/1...movie-that-will-put-us-troops-in-more-danger/

Here is another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tos3dCc1J94

I'm going to start by conceding the point. I often use terms like always and never to mean extremely likely and extremely rare. So go in knowing I admit you won k?

The first movie is disgusting. I do think our troops get away with a lot of shit because they are kinda sacrosanct and maybe that needs addressing but the problem is more with us than with them since it's a small minority of them.

The second movie is older than me. Sure it exists but it's one movie from decades ago. If I ask you to find me a movie where the Nazis are the heroes and the Jews are actually the advanced scouts of an alien race planning to exterminate mankind I bet you could find it. . .that doesn't make the scenario remotely "regular".

And my point wasn't necessarily to offend. At this point I hope Russians and Chinese are more mildly annoyed by Red Dawn (the remake) having them team up and take over the US. It's just a think we do in movies. Granted we've gotten morally ambigious lately which is nice.

 

[PullnPray]

And my point wasn't necessarily to offend. At this point I hope Russians and Chinese are more mildly annoyed by Red Dawn (the remake) having them team up and take over the US.

I haven't seen the movie, but based on the Netflix description, it is North Koreans that play our enemy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I haven't seen the movie, but based on the Netflix description, it is North Koreans that play our enemy.

I've seen it and I guess I could ask an expert but there are at least two countries involved one of them being white and the other Asian. I don't think they are Korean but I'm not gonna pretend I'm flawless or even good at telling them all apart without some context clues. Which doesn't change my original point of maybe we make a movie where America invades the old world because communism bad American dream for everybody GRRRR!

 

[PullnPray]

I've seen it and I guess I could ask an expert but there are at least two countries involved one of them being white and the other Asian. I don't think they are Korean but I'm not gonna pretend I'm flawless or even good at telling them all apart without some context clues. Which doesn't change my original point of maybe we make a movie where America invades the old world because communism bad American dream for everybody GRRRR!

I suspect not too many people in the US would want to see a movie where our country plays the villain. The exception to this would be the Bourne movies. But in those movies, it is only an element of the US government (CIA) that is the villain, and the protagonists are also American.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I suspect not too many people in the US would want to see a movie where our country plays the villain. The exception to this would be the Bourne movies. But in those movies, it is only an element of the US government (CIA) that is the villain, and the protagonists are also American.

Oh, I agree, and think we should get the fuck over it. Especially if we expect other nations to see the humor in us assassinating their leaders.

Edit: A strong argument can be made that we certainly aren't the good guys in Dr. Strangelove or How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.

Or Team America World Police.

 

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[PullnPray]

Oh, I agree, and think we should get the fuck over it. Especially if we expect other nations to see the humor in us assassinating their leaders.
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I think it is safe to assume that very few of the North Korean populace will ever see The Interview. But I couldn't care less whether North Koreans see humor in the film. And the notion that American filmmakers are obliged to create films that demonize the US, and that Americans are likewise obliged to watch these movies is nonsensical. Other countries are free to produce and consume such movies, and they do.

 

[oggbashan]

I think it is safe to assume that very few of the North Korean populace will ever see The Interview. But I couldn't care less whether North Koreans see humor in the film. And the notion that American filmmakers are obliged to create films that demonize the US, and that Americans are likewise obliged to watch these movies is nonsensical. Other countries are free to produce and consume such movies, and they do.

We Brits would like some WW2 movies that didn't have Americans taking major parts in conducting operations that happened before Pearl Harbor. Or the obligatory female part set in an all-male environment.

While we are grateful for those US forces who fought and died for freedom, they weren't around in 1939, 1940 and most of 1941. There were brave exceptions such as those few Americans who joined the RAF and fought in the Battle of Britain, but John Wayne didn't win WW2 on his own.

We would also like some movies that didn't show a few Americans saving the World again with hand portable weaponry.

When Og was young, Western movies were predictable. The good guy wore a white hat, his six shooter fired twenty times without reloading and every shot was faster than the bad guy (black hat!) and more accurate. Those hit by .45 slugs seemed either to die (bad guys) or to have a minor flesh wound (good guy) that could be healed by a kiss from the girl he had saved.

Modern 'action' movies made in the US today seem to have reverted to the practices of the Wild West movies I saw when young. You know the good guys (and girls!) will shoot more often and with greater effect than the bad guys (or girls) and the US will be saved - again. The only difference is the absence of black and white hats.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

We Brits would like some WW2 movies that didn't have Americans taking major parts in conducting operations that happened before Pearl Harbor. Or the obligatory female part set in an all-male environment.

While we are grateful for those US forces who fought and died for freedom, they weren't around in 1939, 1940 and most of 1941. There were brave exceptions such as those few Americans who joined the RAF and fought in the Battle of Britain, but John Wayne didn't win WW2 on his own.

We would also like some movies that didn't show a few Americans saving the World again with hand portable weaponry.

When Og was young, Western movies were predictable. The good guy wore a white hat, his six shooter fired twenty times without reloading and every shot was faster than the bad guy (black hat!) and more accurate. Those hit by .45 slugs seemed either to die (bad guys) or to have a minor flesh wound (good guy) that could be healed by a kiss from the girl he had saved.

Modern 'action' movies made in the US today seem to have reverted to the practices of the Wild West movies I saw when young. You know the good guys (and girls!) will shoot more often and with greater effect than the bad guys (or girls) and the US will be saved - again. The only difference is the absence of black and white hats.

This just about covers it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-axJTzj0VU

 

[PoppingTom]

Here we see some Germans being persecuted by a Brit. That proves it is happening.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3304801/basil-fawlty-o.gif

I laughed my ass off at that episode of Fawlty Towers

 

[PoppingTom]

The only difference is the absence of black and white hats.

http://www.1080-highdef.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/wild_wild_west_532_mini.jpg

Black hat!! He must be the evil !!

 

[oggbashan]

http://www.1080-highdef.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/wild_wild_west_532_mini.jpg

Black hat!! He must be the evil !!

No. He is courageously defying convention!

Or in disguise as an undercover agent.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think it is safe to assume that very few of the North Korean populace will ever see The Interview. But I couldn't care less whether North Koreans see humor in the film. And the notion that American filmmakers are obliged to create films that demonize the US, and that Americans are likewise obliged to watch these movies is nonsensical. Other countries are free to produce and consume such movies, and they do.

So basically the idea that we lead the world is just a joke. Got it!

 

[oggbashan]

So basically the idea that we lead the world is just a joke. Got it!

No. The movies that consistently assert that it only takes a few Americans to save the world again are the joke.

 

[KingOrfeo]

We Brits would like some WW2 movies that didn't have Americans taking major parts in conducting operations that happened before Pearl Harbor.

For instance.

 

[PoppingTom]

No. The movies that consistently assert that it only takes a few Americans to save the world again are the joke.

Well, that's how most of Hollywood movies work: One person, "the chosen one", will do it. And he's got company. Look Matrix. Or Expendables. Or Star Wars. Or - though ist English - James Bond. That's what action movie watchers expect. Simple story, much bang.

I have to admit that I like American movies. Less the stories, more the crazy ideas. Next to this comes French, who can be close to perfect in everything. Next is British, wonderful complicated stories (to me, "complicated" is a compliment), then Japanese. I think, German movies comes at last. We've got the technique, but we are horrible story tellers. Look Independence day, and you know what I mean...

 

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[oggbashan]

I take it you would oppose a black James Bond?

No. I'd welcome one. I'm used to black and yellow actors in Shakespearean productions playing major roles (not the traditional one of Othello). It is the quality of the performance that is important, not the colour of the skin, or even the sex. Remember that all Shakespeare's female roles were originally played by boys. I've seen all-male and all-female productions, and all-black ones too.

James Bond might be based on the Ian Fleming novels but the franchise has moved well beyond them to be parodies of themselves. James Bond could be black, yellow or red (even Communist Red ) if it adds entertainment value.

The Royal Ballet has major performers who are not white European. They are there because of their talent and the Royal Ballet would be diminished without them.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I take it you would oppose a black James Bond?

I would, in a WWII setting; completely preposterous.

 

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