Gender bias in kinks/interests

[TheRedChamber]

My first impression: you mean being physically hurt? Then how does that explain dominatrices? Men pay for their services, although I suppose there are some volunteers too. And yes, it's basically a game, and people (mostly) are not truly injured. But based on what I know, some of those ladies whack pretty damn hard, and most of the guys are relatively stoic about it.

I'm not really in a position to explain anything. The observation is that practically all of the more violent activities skew towards women enjoying them.

From the light end including light spanking and hairpulling through choking, struggling electricity and kidnapping all the way to the really heavy stuff like burning, scarification, wound fucking and 'sex with your own dead body' and cannibalism and executions. Again, people might not be actually doing any of these things and as you head up the taboo scale the percentages get smaller and smaller (easy to forget with the log scale) - but women are the ones admiting to fantasizing about these to a much greater extent than men.

The other thing I noticed is that practically all of the fantasy creatures are female-skewed fetishes as well - vampire and werewolves, but also orcs, ghosts, aliens and dragons. (This makes sense to me - as a man these don't do anything for me). Even zombies aparently (again, don't quite see the erotic appeal) - dress them up as nazi however and you're hitting both demographics (well 2% of both men and women at least)

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm not really in a position to explain anything. The observation is that practically all of the more violent activities skew towards women enjoying them.

From the light end including light spanking and hairpulling through choking, struggling electricity and kidnapping all the way to the really heavy stuff like burning, scarification, wound fucking and 'sex with your own dead body' and cannibalism and executions. Again, people might not be actually doing any of these things and as you head up the taboo scale the percentages get smaller and smaller (easy to forget with the log scale) - but women are the ones admiting to fantasizing about these to a much greater extent than men.

The other thing I noticed is that practically all of the fantasy creatures are female-skewed fetishes as well - vampire and werewolves, but also orcs, ghosts, aliens and dragons. (This makes sense to me - as a man these don't do anything for me). Even zombies aparently (again, don't quite see the erotic appeal) - dress them up as nazi however and you're hitting both demographics (well 2% of both men and women at least)

I'll take your word on it. I'm just going on impressions, not any data or surveys. And there is a considerable distance (probably a good thing) between what many people will fantasize about and what they'll actually do.

Nazi zombies is a new one for me, but I'm sure somebody has already thought of it and maybe even written about it. There have been some attempts to explain the popularity of zombies (I find that they get tiresome rather quickly) but I won't get into that here.

 

[TheRedChamber]

I'll take your word on it. I'm just going on impressions, not any data or surveys. And there is a considerable distance (probably a good thing) between what many people will fantasize about and what they'll actually do.

Agreed

Nazi zombies is a new one for me, but I'm sure somebody has already thought of it and maybe even written about it. There have been some attempts to explain the popularity of zombies (I find that they get tiresome rather quickly) but I won't get into that here.

Well Call of Duty has long had the Nazi Zombies mode - they work well in video games as an enemy you need feel absolutely no remorse in mowing down.

On Literotica? I went looking and didn't find much with a 'Nazi Zombie' search - certainly nothing to rival the title 'Vampire Korps of the Gestapo' a 4-part series from '07 which averages scores of 4.7+. There are nearly two-thousand stories including the word zombie (a not inconsiderable portion of which seem to have been written by Samuelx) but most of them seem to have blurbs saying 'so-and-so fight zombies' or 'so-and-so run from zombies' - not a lot about how zombies have needs too. (Vampires have over 10,000 for reference, werewolves have 3000 with no hypen and 8000 with a hypen)

There's a gap in the market - I'm probably not the guy to write it though.

 

[Seadog777]

Well Call of Duty has long had the Nazi Zombies mode

I could never get into the Call of Duty games.
A vast majority of my fellow brother and sisters in arms, LOVE it though.
What do you like about it???

 

[TheRedChamber]

I could never get into the Call of Duty games.
A vast majority of my fellow brother and sisters in arms, LOVE it though.
What do you like about it???

Well, I should say that I'm a video game collector, which means I get more or less everything but only once it's second hand and dirt cheap. I also don't play online much - for the CoD games, I typically get them for a few pounds, play through the campaign which lasts 6-8 hours, generally enjoy them (with 20+ games some are inevitably better than others) and then forget about them. That said, the shooting feels good - not necessarily 'better' than say Halo - but its been very good for two decades now and most of the story modes balance spectacle and cheesy storylines with good playability.

This playability carries over to the multiplayer, I guess - for me a lot of on-line shooters end up feeling like an endless game of tag, fun enough in short bursts, but meaningless if you start to devote hours to it (the developers have a whole ecosystem of perks and unlockables to try and give it purpose, none of which attract me in the slightest) - but (health-benefits aside) you could say that applies to any real-world sport as well.

 

[Seadog777]

Well, I should say that I'm a video game collector, which means I get more or less everything but only once it's second hand and dirt cheap. I also don't play online much - for the CoD games, I typically get them for a few pounds, play through the campaign which lasts 6-8 hours, generally enjoy them (with 20+ games some are inevitably better than others) and then forget about them. That said, the shooting feels good - not necessarily 'better' than say Halo - but its been very good for two decades now and most of the story modes balance spectacle and cheesy storylines with good playability.

This playability carries over to the multiplayer, I guess - for me a lot of on-line shooters end up feeling like an endless game of tag, fun enough in short bursts, but meaningless if you start to devote hours to it (the developers have a whole ecosystem of perks and unlockables to try and give it purpose, none of which attract me in the slightest) - but (health-benefits aside) you could say that applies to any real-world sport as well.

OK. It was something that I was curious about when I read what you typed.

I still play old games like Breath of Fire 3 on PS2.
Original Mario and Duck Hunt on Nintendo.
Nijia Turtles on SNES.

I LOVE The Elder Scrolls and think Skyrim is the GOAT.
RDR and RDR2, MOST of the Grand Theft Auto games, etc.

 

[SimonDoom]

OK. It was something that I was curious about when I read what you typed.

I still play old games like Breath of Fire 3 on PS2.
Original Mario and Duck Hunt on Nintendo.
Nijia Turtles on SNES.

I LOVE The Elder Scrolls and think Skyrim is the GOAT.
RDR and RDR2, MOST of the Grand Theft Auto games, etc.

I'm not much of a gamer, but I went through a phase in the 90s where I was really into Wolfenstein 3D, then Doom, then Quake, and then Half-Life. Wolfenstein looks hopelessly pixelated and out of date now, but I remember being blown away when I first saw it. I enjoyed Half-Life the most because it combined the shoot-em-up with a more developed story. My interest waned after that and since then I really haven't played games except for a while when my sons played them (lots of Call of Duty and Mass Effect). I've never played GTA.

Re this thread topic, it would be interesting to see how gender preference plays out with game choices.

 

[Seadog777]

I'm not much of a gamer, but I went through a phase in the 90s where I was really into Wolfenstein 3D, then Doom, then Quake, and then Half-Life. Wolfenstein looks hopelessly pixelated and out of date now, but I remember being blown away when I first saw it. I enjoyed Half-Life the most because it combined the shoot-em-up with a more developed story. My interest waned after that and since then I really haven't played games except for a while when my sons played them (lots of Call of Duty and Mass Effect). I've never played GTA.

Re this thread topic, it would be interesting to see how gender preference plays out with game choices.

First, I do love that the graphics are so much better than before when it comes to "open world" type games.

I think that "pixelated" games have their place as well. Especially with those of us who grew up with those types of games.

Personally, I love the "Grand Theft Auto" games.....well all except "Vice City" and "Liberty City Stories".

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Re this thread topic, it would be interesting to see how gender preference plays out with game choices.

Personally I've never liked games that require real-time reactions, and can't do them now, though as a kid I could cope with basic controls and enjoy Chuckie Egg, Frogger, QBert on the BBC Micro, or the winter Olympics on the Atari.

If I get to the point of being in a nursing home unable to do much, then I'm going to take up playing Civilization again. Love it, but just too time-consuming.

My favourite games have been point-and-click interfaces, so Heroes of Might & Magic, and adventure games like the Myst series, Syberia, Longest Journey, Broken Sword - but too often companies would decide to put real-time elements into the sequels, ruining them for me.

Now I don't do much gaming apart from interactive fiction and what gets dismissed as casual gaming - Mini Metro, quiz games, Geoguessr, and sometimes silly blat-the-blocks or whatever, only all those games get to levels where only money not skill are needed. There's various board games which can be played online with human or AI opponents.

Any recs of recent point&click adventures, let me know.

 

[Seadog777]

Personally I've never liked games that require real-time reactions, and can't do them now, though as a kid I could cope with basic controls and enjoy Chuckie Egg, Frogger, QBert on the BBC Micro, or the winter Olympics on the Atari.

My wife and youngest daughter still play "Frogger".

I'm looking for a working Original Atari.

 

[Athalia]

EDIT - Simon found a more detailed one here
This reddit page has some data.

If I had to summerize the results in two horrifying sentances I'd go with - 'Women like being hurt*. Men like everything else'

I think that's too broad a generalization to be useful. I would agree that, since men are the principal users of porn, they would much rather see a woman being hurt than a man being hurt.

I do not consider BDSM a "kink". I think that word is overused. I think people use it to try and make themselves be unique, and boost their own self-confidence.

Agreed. There are so, so many activities that are put under that umbrella (which was invented for the classified ads in underground papers specifically to be a catch-all) that the term is meaningless.

I can't really think of anything that is truly gender-specific, except that obviously breast torture bondage is going to appeal to the ladies and cock-and-ball-torture is going to appeal to men... at least on the receiving end, although if we're talking about being on the giving or viewing end, men are probably going to be in the vast majority for both species of play. I don't know many women who are into viewing either one of these, although there are clearly enough of them on the performing end to make the kink high-visibility.

Again, from what I've been able to gather from actual experience rather than viewing, men seem to be far more interested in receiving fellatio than women are interested in receiving cunnilingus. I think that's because their penises are right out there in the open, stimulated since puberty, whereas women need to work a bit harder at first to realize the glories of masturbation. I could be wrong about that, though.

 

[RetroFan]

Fat Fetish stories are almost exclusively men fantasizing about overweight women (BBW), leaving aside Gay Male stories that feature this fetish. But when was the last time you saw a story about a normal sized woman and an overweight or obese man?

Given the sheer number stories on this site, there might have been some written over the years, for example a self-insert story written by an overweight man who meets a stunning slim woman into fat guys, or a fetish story about a petite Japanese girl and an apprentice Sumo wrestler, but even these don't seem all that likely.

 

[TheRedChamber]

I think that's too broad a generalization to be useful. I would agree that, since men are the principal users of porn, they would much rather see a woman being hurt than a man being hurt.

First it's not the sort of result I'd want to 'put to use' especially on an erotic story website. The survey is also not about porn, at least not directly. It's about what people say they are interested in.

There could be a range of explanations, not least of all men don't like admitting they like hurting women. Perhaps I was flippant in my earlier post but from the data they collected using their methodology this seems to be a pattern.

 

[Athalia]

First it's not the sort of result I'd want to 'put to use' especially on an erotic story website. The survey is also not about porn, at least not directly. It's about what people say they are interested in.

Thank you for that clarification. I agree that there may be a world of difference between what people like to see or read and what they'd like to do.