Gone-tanamo Bay

[Huckleman2000]

You won't make it through, Sarahh. It's incredibly juvenile. It's the "Nancy Drew" of political-economic theory.What part of "Sarah Palin" do you not understand?

I know this sounds awful, and it's a pointless threadjack, but I have to ask:
Is reading Ayn Rand sort of a phase in coming to terms with one's lesbianism? The reason I ask is that Rand followers so often seem to be either disaffected angry white guys who complain like bitter women, or disaffected angry lesbians who complain like old crochety white guys.
That's just my observation, sorry to whomever I offend.

 

[amicus]

Nah...sweets, not education, 'indoctrination', much like the NOVA program concerning the imminent demise of Caleeefornia as business and industry depart in droves to escape the high taxes and environmental gestapho.

NASA and all things science wise and math wise will degenerate as our modern Lothario's concentrate their navels and bodily pleasures.

Such a deal, right here in River City, or....the 21st Century...

(River City is from a Musical) (and Lothario has a literature background)

Amicus...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Huck; well, yeah, they are all of them
Disaffected,
Angry,
and Old.

It's very likely that these people were disaffected and angry back when they first picked Ayn Rand's books up. Since she seems to celebrate angry disaffection and make it seem heroic, they still read her-- now that they're old.

This younger generation of angry disaffected children will have some other messaiah to fall back on in their old age.

 

[Guest]

Nah...sweets, not education, 'indoctrination', much like the NOVA program concerning the imminent demise of Caleeefornia as business and industry depart in droves to escape the high taxes and environmental gestapho.

NASA and all things science wise and math wise will degenerate as our modern Lothario's concentrate their navels and bodily pleasures.

Such a deal, right here in River City, or....the 21st Century...

(River City is from a Musical) (and Lothario has a literature background)

Amicus...

I know all about River City. I was in Music Man.

Lothario? Half of the men on Lit qualify. Perhaps even you.

 

[rgraham666]

Lesbian? Rand? Naaaah.

A straight submissive through and through. The whole theme of her books is a person must find themselves a 'Great Man' to give themselves to in order to find true happiness.

That works in a relationship but it's a damned silly idea to base a society around.

 

[Belegon]

Think, Amicus, think. You can do it, son!

*that's my Ami! That's my Ami on that trombone!*

 

[amicus]

I know all about River City. I was in Music Man.

Lothario? Half of the men on Lit qualify. Perhaps even you.

~~~

...nice to know that my small efforts are not lost, 'like tears in the rain'...see if you can place that one...

ami

 

[Huckleman2000]

Stella; you're right, it's like a cultural magnet.

SSSarah; you just made me think of producing Music Man, entirely in fetish gear.

umm... sort of what Gitmo: The Musical will need someday.
/threadjack

 

[Guest]

~~~

...nice to know that my small efforts are not lost, 'like tears in the rain'...see if you can place that one...

ami

Tears in the rain?

Isn't that from Bladerunner?

 

[Guest]

Think, Amicus, think. You can do it, son!

*that's my Ami! That's my Ami on that trombone!*

(Tuba)

But - I'm still dealing with a rum and coke spew.

 

[Guest]

Stella; you're right, it's like a cultural magnet.

SSSarah; you just made me think of producing Music Man, entirely in fetish gear.

umm... sort of what Gitmo: The Musical will need someday.
/threadjack

Oh, my.

Fetish Music Man.

Oh, the possibilities.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Lesbian? Rand? Naaaah.

A straight submissive through and through. The whole theme of her books is a person must find themselves a 'Great Man' to give themselves to in order to find true happiness.

That works in a relationship but it's a damned silly idea to base a society around.

So, perhaps it attracts those who see themselves as these 'Great Men'? And they're disaffected because others don't see the greatness which is apparent to themselves? It sounds narcissistic to me.

Maybe that's why some people are so in a bunch with this "Obama = Messiah" crap. It upsets their apple cart that someone so widely acclaimed as a 'Great Man' can hold views that aren't Randist, and so they project their own fears on the rest of us.

Pardon me while I take another bong hit.

 

[redpaint]

Other good things he did yesterday, in my opinion.

Froze the salaries of White House staff who make more than $100,000 a year.

Limited lobbying.

Prevented White House staff from leaving to join lobbying firms.

Phoned every one involved in the Middle East kerfuffle to get some diplomacy started.

Good for him.

Yip he did do some good things, that I will agree on. But shutting down Gitmo I have mixed feelings about.

 

[rgraham666]

Yip he did do some good things, that I will agree on. But shutting down Gitmo I have mixed feelings about.

I don't. A country can't claim to be fighting for freedom when it indulges in activities that so directly contradict the things it claims to believe in.

Even the Nazis got proper trials.

 

[sadangel]

I know this sounds awful, and it's a pointless threadjack, but I have to ask:
Is reading Ayn Rand sort of a phase in coming to terms with one's lesbianism? The reason I ask is that Rand followers so often seem to be either disaffected angry white guys who complain like bitter women, or disaffected angry lesbians who complain like old crochety white guys.
That's just my observation, sorry to whomever I offend.

I've never even heard of Ayn Rand...and I've identified as lesbian for a number of years. (until the last few that is). Anyway.....I guess I need to look this up and see what it is about.

Lesbian? Rand? Naaaah.

A straight submissive through and through. The whole theme of her books is a person must find themselves a 'Great Man' to give themselves to in order to find true happiness.

That works in a relationship but it's a damned silly idea to base a society around.

Nope, it doesn't work to base a society around.

I don't know that it really works in a relationship either. You have to find that happiness in yourself first. Not from someone else. Then, when you find that "Someone", you can continue to find happiness together, but be secure in who you are first. (Sorry, I am rambling a bit I see...)

I don't. A country can't claim to be fighting for freedom when it indulges in activities that so directly contradict the things it claims to believe in.

Even the Nazis got proper trials.

They did, didn't they. At least to what I've read about the trials. You are right. You can't claim to be fighting for freedom and in the same breath be denying others that same freedom you are so passionately fighting for. It's not just contradictory, it's hypocritical. That's been part of what I just don't agree with how Gitmo has been handled.

 

[amicus]

Tears in the rain?

Isn't that from Bladerunner?

~~~

You got it sweets, Line spoken by Rutger Hauer with Harrison Ford in attendance...one of those lines like, 'the ocean sparkles like a million diamonds...' that can never be topped and never equaled.

It may have been, 'like a tear in the rain', not sure...been a while...

toodles...

ami

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yep, a terrific death scene. Movies are full of them.

 

[amicus]

For SadAngel and I suspect a goodly number of others who have never actually read Ayn Rand but still have acquired an opinion.

Atlas Shrugged is a half century old now, first published in about 1958. The theme of the story, and it is indeed a long one, over 1300 pages as I recall, is basically 'the mind of man on strike'...essentially all those who think, create and produce, simply with-hold their knowledge and skills from society and watch as it slowly collapses.

The simularities of modern political thinking are amazingly accurate in the book, aka Biden's, 'it is patriotic to want to pay taxes', and the entire, tax the rich to support the poor, concept.

The book is philosophy as fiction and while it is hated by the left, has been for the past twenty years at least the second best selling book, world-wide, with only the Christian bible outselling it.

The left just loves to pan her work with every pejorative term you can imagine and most have never read it...they just mouth the criticism.

amicus...

 

[cloudy]

Ami, you forgot to mention how deadly dull her work is. I'd try to read it again, I suppose, if it was all that was available to read, but even then...I think I'd rather watch paint dry.

 

[amicus]

Actually, Cloudy, none of her work is, 'dull', except those who are addicted to the mindless action hero movies that have car crashes without end.

It is also a book about a handful of exceptional people who demonstrate through their actions, that ideas, the mind of man, is the motive force behind a civilized and modern society. Not the political hacks such as we have in office now.

amicus...

 

[Stella_Omega]

Actually, Cloudy, none of her work is, 'dull', except those who are addicted to the mindless action hero movies that have car crashes without end.

It is also a book about a handful of exceptional people who demonstrate through their actions, that ideas, the mind of man, is the motive force behind a civilized and modern society. Not the political hacks such as we have in office now.

amicus...

You ought to be old enough by now, to know better than to confuse fictional characters with real people, Ami.

Some people never get past twelve years old.

 

[sadangel]

For SadAngel and I suspect a goodly number of others who have never actually read Ayn Rand but still have acquired an opinion.

Atlas Shrugged is a half century old now, first published in about 1958. The theme of the story, and it is indeed a long one, over 1300 pages as I recall, is basically 'the mind of man on strike'...essentially all those who think, create and produce, simply with-hold their knowledge and skills from society and watch as it slowly collapses.

The simularities of modern political thinking are amazingly accurate in the book, aka Biden's, 'it is patriotic to want to pay taxes', and the entire, tax the rich to support the poor, concept.

The book is philosophy as fiction and while it is hated by the left, has been for the past twenty years at least the second best selling book, world-wide, with only the Christian bible outselling it.

The left just loves to pan her work with every pejorative term you can imagine and most have never read it...they just mouth the criticism.

amicus...

I hate to burst that preconceived notion of yours that I have an opinion on Ayn Rand and her books.

I do not. I made an answer to a STATEMENT that was made by someone. Something called continuing a conversation. Something that you seem to have missed somewhere.

It in no way reflected an opinion on Ayn Rand or her books. I have neither praise nor criticism for her work. I haven't read it.

So please, stop saying what you imagine I think. You've been wrong every time.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Don't worry, sadangel; you will never ever be able to burst one of Ami's preconceived notions.

 

[Liar]

The book is philosophy as fiction and while it is hated by the left, has been for the past twenty years at least the second best selling book, world-wide, with only the Christian bible outselling it.

Randists love to claim this. But as much as I try, I can't find a citation to verify it.

Mao's 'Little Red', one or two Christies, Saint-Exupéry's 'Little Prince', Tolkien's Rings trilogy, 'Harry Potter', Jehova's 'The Truth', 'Catcher in the Rye', 'The Alchemist', Dr Spock's parenting book, Dahl's 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory', Umberto Eco's 'Name Of The Rose', 'To Kill a Mockingbird', 'Shōgun' and Dan frickin' Brown's 'Da Vinci Code' are all among contemporary (latter half of the 20th century and onward) books up there in various attempts to make a "best selling books ever" list. But I never find any Rand on those lists, whoever it is that compiles them.

So... source, please?

 

[amicus]

http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/books/rand/atlas/



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I]While Atlas Shrugged is routinely vilified by left-wing intellectuals, who oppose Rand's view that capitalism is the only moral economic system, and repudiated by those on the right, who shudder at Rand's rejection of religion, it remains deeply loved by readers, who named it the second most influential book of their lives in a 1991 Library of Congress/Book-of-the-Month club survey—behind only the Bible. [/I]

http://boxofficemojo.com/features/?id=1243&p=.htm

Not a real good source and old at that...but then so am I...sue me...

Amicus