Gun Control or what?

[Sean Renaud]

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Then why doesn't 7.50 buy any more than 5.50 did before that? 4.25 before that? 2.50 before that?

How come no matter how many taxes and wage increases you command against these companies the rich just keep getting richer and the harder it fucks everyone else?

Because when you tax a company you tax their consumers....not the rich people running it with their 100 million dollar Christmas bonuses.

Because inflation. I'm not arguing that inflation doesn't happen. I'm stating that looking at the stats raising the minimum wage doesn't drive inflation. Inflation just happens, relatively steadily no matter what the fuck we do. I heavily suspect it's tied more so to a combination of population growth and productivity than it is to anything else but that's a theory not something I can solidly back with stats. What I can back is that raising MW does not spike inflation like your equation claims it should.

It should, common sense and supply and demand all say that it should. Reality begs to differ.

None of you birds are prejudiced, are you. What a bunch of goons. And, some liberal goons too.

I'm prejudiced. That doesn't make me wrong.

 

[Hedon1st]

"I'm prejudiced, that doesn't make me wrong."

Actually it does exactly that. You are continuing the cycle of ignorance and hate that this country, and your president is supposed to be working to stop. You have just proven that you are part of the problem.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

"I'm prejudiced, that doesn't make me wrong."

Actually it does exactly that. You are continuing the cycle of ignorance and hate that this country, and your president is supposed to be working to stop. You have just proven that you are part of the problem.

And, doubling , or nearly so, would cause Inflation Sean. It would be passed through to the consumers.
Period.

 

[PoppingTom]

What's that got to do with companies passing on costs?

Everything. Companies can't just simply be more expensive, if the Chinese or any other stays cheap. Minimum wage, if ever, means just less profit. Or killing of an already ill cutted business running on the back of ill cheap labors.

It's not the only contributing factor, but I know it's a factor because guess what happens when I get taxes more? I raise the prices on my products!! Just like everyone else.....

Prices are made out of supply and demand. If you've been taxed more, there is more money for other government stuff, thus more money for other people, thus you can raise the price and nobody's complaining. That's at least how it works in Germany. Some things are criminal cheap here, others really expensive. People don't complain that, at a certain point of income, half of what you earn is taxed.

And no I don't think Minimum wage helps good companies stay in competition, I think it helps big companies squeeze smaller ones.

Doesn't coincide with my experience. Yes, it kills very very small ones that can only compete about the price. But that's no pity, as it's in any way dangerous to work for such enterprises, and without minimum wage, the better and more honest companies would be killed by these very small ones. I'm very happy this problem is solved for some branches here in Germany.

Maybe but I don't think it's helped our debt....

It helped our debt - before WWII. For the price of killing a lot of savings. It's not the king's way, but a lot of countries cure their economy about inflation, f.e Turkey. It's been said that Greece would be out of debt problems without the Euro - because they could do inflation, as most people there don't got much to lose.

Yes I know you want to PUNISH business owners for making money.

You call it punishment, I call it forced solidarity. Better taxing them, as they can afford it, then the workers, who can't.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Everything. Companies can't just simply be more expensive, if the Chinese or any other stays cheap. Minimum wage, if ever, means just less profit. Or killing of an already ill cutted business running on the back of ill cheap labors.



Prices are made out of supply and demand. If you've been taxed more, there is more money for other government stuff, thus more money for other people, thus you can raise the price and nobody's complaining. That's at least how it works in Germany. Some things are criminal cheap here, others really expensive. People don't complain that, at a certain point of income, half of what you earn is taxed.



Doesn't coincide with my experience. Yes, it kills very very small ones that can only compete about the price. But that's no pity, as it's in any way dangerous to work for such enterprises, and without minimum wage, the better and more honest companies would be killed by these very small ones. I'm very happy this problem is solved for some branches here in Germany.



It helped our debt - before WWII. For the price of killing a lot of savings. It's not the king's way, but a lot of countries cure their economy about inflation, f.e Turkey. It's been said that Greece would be out of debt problems without the Euro - because they could do inflation, as most people there don't got much to lose.



You call it punishment, I call it forced solidarity. Better taxing them, as they can afford it, then the workers, who can't.

FORCED SOLIDARITY?????
Are you crazy? Just don't buy anything idiot- there's your solidarity.

Fools want something for nothing; or, take someone else's...

 

[Hedon1st]

Tom, using the German economy pre WWII in this discussion is completely off base. The Treaty of Versailles completely wiped out anything that was left of The German economy in the form of such punitive sanctions that a loaf of bread cost the equivalent of $25000. That was not a true free economic model. Any debt or deficit was "expunged" by Hitler when he came to power and told the rest of the world to fuck themselves.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And, doubling , or nearly so, would cause Inflation Sean. It would be passed through to the consumers.
Period.

First. NOT period. It's never been done before so we don't really know. We're just guessing. But It's not going to double anyway so we don't need to worry about that.

 

[PoppingTom]

Tom, using the German economy pre WWII in this discussion is completely off base. The Treaty of Versailles completely wiped out anything that was left of The German economy in the form of such punitive sanctions that a loaf of bread cost the equivalent of $25000. That was not a true free economic model. ...

You think the USA of today is a more free economic model?

 

[PoppingTom]

FORCED SOLIDARITY?????
Are you crazy?

I'm not American. Get used to it.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

You think the USA of today is a more free economic model?

WTF Which side of the old wall location do you live???

 

[Hedon1st]

Is that really your comeback? You are really comparing the current US economy with Post WWI Germany?

Wtf are you smoking???
Did you EVER study your own country's history????

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

I'm not American. Get used to it.

You need to join the Unionized Buyers Guild and lose 55 lbs.

 

[PoppingTom]

WTF Which side of the old wall location do you live???

That's 25 years ago! You think I still know that?

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Is that really your comeback? You are really comparing the current US economy with Post WWI Germany?

Wtf are you smoking???
Did you EVER study your own country's history????

Are you asking World War I, or is that another hurried typo?
Dumb ass!

 

[PoppingTom]

Is that really your comeback? You are really comparing the current US economy with Post WWI Germany?

I asked first: you think the US is a free economic model, thus free of such inflation ever?

 

[PoppingTom]

Are you asking World War I, or is that another hurried typo?

He means WWI. The big Inflation was before Hitler, and caused by Germany losing the war.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

I asked first: you think the US is a free economic model, thus free of such inflation ever?

I never said that, now did I...

THIS IS A GUN CONTROL THREAD. NOT World Economic Losers' Thread. BYE!

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I'm not American. Get used to it.

good, otherwise we'd have to put you on the 'get the fuck out' list

which will happen after Trump is POTUS

 

[Sean Renaud]

And the Treaty didn't cause the inflation for fucks sake.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Is that really your comeback? You are really comparing the current US economy with Post WWI Germany?

Wtf are you smoking???
Did you EVER study your own country's history????

it and the obama kind, are really that stupid

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

And the Treaty didn't cause the inflation for fucks sake.

Wander on down to whorestrasse and get laid, would you please?

 

[Hedon1st]

Thank you Sean for exposing once again the gross ineptitude of the public school system. The Treaty of Versailles, genius, forced Germany to make such exorbitant reparation payments over a prolonged number of years to the Americans, French and British, that their economy collapsed and caused inflation on a scale that no one had seen before, causing disenfranchisement throughout the country, leading to the rise of the Nazi Party.

 

[Ubiquitious_too]

Looking at Sean's Av, one would think he lived in Baltimore...

 

[JackLuis]

http://static.infowars.com/politicalsidebarimage/onceweapons.jpg​

 

[Sean Renaud]

I never said that, now did I...

THIS IS A GUN CONTROL THREAD. NOT World Economic Losers' Thread. BYE!

Not any more, we're off the rails!

Wander on down to whorestrasse and get laid, would you please?

I would but I have such poor game that I can't even buy a hooker.