Harriet Tubman Will Replace Andrew Jackson on the $20

[doctor_insanus]

You can still buy meth with 'em, Jen.

 

[doctor_insanus]

Some ladies gonna be joining her.

 

[Ramone45]

The Audacity of Change. It is perfectly fine to honor Tubman or someone like her. But replacing Andrew Jackson is a dishonor. We are looking back at past generations and rejecting them. "The wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile, and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for". I understand that part of the justification for the change comes from holding Jackson to modern standards, which is always a huge mistake. Revisionist history leads to self loathing, and is irrational. And keep in mind that future generations will absolutely reject our audacity. Your legacy will also wind up on the trash heap.
This is a case of where political correctness isn't wrong. But it smacks of raising someone up by putting another down.

 

[doctor_insanus]

It will be their world, not ours.

I don't care who is on their currency.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The Audacity of Change. It is perfectly fine to honor Tubman or someone like her. But replacing Andrew Jackson is a dishonor. We are looking back at past generations and rejecting them. "The wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile, and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country's done for". I understand that part of the justification for the change comes from holding Jackson to modern standards, which is always a huge mistake. Revisionist history leads to self loathing, and is irrational. And keep in mind that future generations will absolutely reject our audacity. Your legacy will also wind up on the trash heap.
This is a case of where political correctness isn't wrong. But it smacks of raising someone up by putting another down.

Agreed.

Let's go back to the original lady with the sword!

https://www.moderncoinmart.com/images/D/1863_$20_fr126_pcgs_VF_25_obv_web.jpg

 

[Ramone45]

Agreed.

Let's go back to the original lady with the sword!

https://www.moderncoinmart.com/images/D/1863_$20_fr126_pcgs_VF_25_obv_web.jpg

That's nice money. If all money was as nice as that, I'd carry more of it.

 

[Ramone45]

I hope they put Prince on some money.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Agreed.

Let's go back to the original lady with the sword!

https://www.moderncoinmart.com/images/D/1863_$20_fr126_pcgs_VF_25_obv_web.jpg

Nah, let's go back to the polar bear attacking the Titantic survivors!
Link (picture too big)

 

[miles]

The EEOC is one of the most vigilant and responsive agencies in government. They take seriously and open a file on EVERY written complaint received.

Ask any HR rep and they will tell you companies fear the EEOC more than the IRS or OSHA.

True dat...no matter how frivolous the claim might be.

The silliest claim I remember was an employee who was fired for proselytizing on company time after receiving two written warnings. Employees and customers were complaining. She filed an EEOC complaint saying she was terminated because she was a minority. We had plenty of documentation, and the EEOC ruled in our favor.

 

[sigh]

I can't remember the last time I pulled a 20 out of my wallet to pay for anything, so I really don't care whose picture is on it. I can change the pic on my smartphone to anything I want and my debit card is plain, and those are what I use nearly exclusively to pay for stuff out in the world. Hell, when my kid needs money I don't even give him cash anymore. I transfer money to his account (smartphone again) so he can use his debit card.


Looking at the symbolism of all this, I guess it's nice to see a woman on a bill of any denomination - some sort of recognition that it wasn't only men who founded and shaped our country - but it would have been nice if they'd picked someone I've actually heard of. But then again, maybe that was their point. Picking a woman who is relatively unknown may further underscore how our "collective" history has smothered over the roles of women in our past. We all grew up learning about Frederick Douglas, but not Harriet Tubman. Why is that?

 

[BabblingBrooke]

I can't remember the last time I pulled a 20 out of my wallet to pay for anything, so I really don't care whose picture is on it. I can change the pic on my smartphone to anything I want and my debit card is plain, and those are what I use nearly exclusively to pay for stuff out in the world. Hell, when my kid needs money I don't even give him cash anymore. I transfer money to his account (smartphone again) so he can use his debit card.


Looking at the symbolism of all this, I guess it's nice to see a woman on a bill of any denomination - some sort of recognition that it wasn't only men who founded and shaped our country - but it would have been nice if they'd picked someone I've actually heard of. But then again, maybe that was their point. Picking a woman who is relatively unknown may further underscore how our "collective" history has smothered over the roles of women in our past. We all grew up learning about Frederick Douglas, but not Harriet Tubman. Why is that?

My friend recently made the same argument. Then her 15 year old daughter turned to her, shocked, and asked, "You've NEVER heard of Harriet Tubman?!?" Then she proceeded to fill her in. I learned about Tubman in school and I'm approaching 40. She is something of a 19th century superhero and I think she was a great choice.

 

[evesdream]

Personally, I think that currency should be restricted to portraits of deceased Presidents only.

In all honesty, you could put a gun to my head and I couldn't tell you what Harriet Tubman was noted for.

But it isn't now. Hamilton and Franklin were never president.

Interesting. She figured prominently in my elementary school history course, way back in the mid-60s.

I can't remember the last time I pulled a 20 out of my wallet to pay for anything, so I really don't care whose picture is on it. I can change the pic on my smartphone to anything I want and my debit card is plain, and those are what I use nearly exclusively to pay for stuff out in the world. Hell, when my kid needs money I don't even give him cash anymore. I transfer money to his account (smartphone again) so he can use his debit card.


Looking at the symbolism of all this, I guess it's nice to see a woman on a bill of any denomination - some sort of recognition that it wasn't only men who founded and shaped our country - but it would have been nice if they'd picked someone I've actually heard of. But then again, maybe that was their point. Picking a woman who is relatively unknown may further underscore how our "collective" history has smothered over the roles of women in our past. We all grew up learning about Frederick Douglas, but not Harriet Tubman. Why is that?

I grew up in Canada and learned all about her before the age of ten.

My knowledge of Jackson is pretty limited; an American icon who rather enjoyed ethnic cleansing.

 

[richard_daily]

How the fuck do people not know who Harriet Tubman is?

 

[trysail]

When he was alive, the rabble loved Andrew Jackson.

Long after he was gone, the rabble decided it didn't like him.




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[richard_daily]

When he was alive, the rabble loved Andrew Jackson.

Long after he was gone, the rabble decided it didn't like him.




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When trysail was alive, the rabble didn't give a fuck about him.

Long after he was gone, the rabble still didn't give a fuck about him.

 

[doctor_insanus]

How the fuck do people not know who Harriet Tubman is?

I'm guessing there are some school districts in this country that don't exactly remember her fondly.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Whitewashing. It can be seen here almost anytime certain posters make any post about our history.

 

[RobDownSouth]

How the fuck do people not know who Harriet Tubman is?

That'd be me. We didn't have "black history month" back when I was in school, and I was in high school before learning that MLK's title was actually The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King, Jr. and not Communist Negro Agitator Martin Luther King.

When I read certain posts by Ishmael and the late unlamented Vetteman, I am reminded of certain teachers I had back in the day.

I can spend hours telling you trivia about the Beatles, Rolling Stones or any of the Gemini and/or Apollo astronauts.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Whitewashing. It can be seen here almost anytime certain posters make any post about our history.

See also: "Democraps actually OPPOSED Civil Rights in teh 1960s!"

 

[sigh]

How the fuck do people not know who Harriet Tubman is?

I know we both live in Illinois so maybe it was our differing districts, or maybe our ages, that led to this disparity in our education. I'm 40 and grew up in north central Illinois and I swear the first I ever heard of Tubman was when this change was announced. Hell, Eve says she grew up in Canada and heard all about her when she was a kid.

I feel cheated, dammit. I've had so much catching up to do and it's embarrassing. I think I'll sue my old school district.

 

[nerfhearder]

I know we both live in Illinois so maybe it was our differing districts, or maybe our ages, that led to this disparity in our education. I'm 40 and grew up in north central Illinois and I swear the first I ever heard of Tubman was when this change was announced. Hell, Eve says she grew up in Canada and heard all about her when she was a kid.

I feel cheated, dammit. I've had so much catching up to do and it's embarrassing. I think I'll sue my old school district.

We learned all about her more than once in school. I too was surprised when I saw several people say they had never heard of her. But she was sort of a minor figure so I guess I understand that some wouldn't bother and some prefer to pretend she never existed.
Still don't get why they chose her other than just being PC but I really couldn't care less who's on a bill. Nobody uses cash anyway.

 

[WalksOnWater]

So amusing reading some of the I don't fart/I'm not a hypocrite brigade blame their long ago educators for their adult lack of awareness instead of the obvious lazy learners they turned-out to be.

 

[OldJourno]

How the fuck do people not know who Harriet Tubman is?

Glad you asked. Found this online. Good to know a gun-toting, religious Republican was selected for the honor.



Who would have thought that after more than a year of debate, speculation, and politically correct public demand, America would learn that a God-loving, gun-toting Republican woman would earn a spot on our nation's currency? Of course, don't say this too loudly lest the Obama Treasury Department realize what it just did and change its mind.

But it's true. Harriet Tubman — whom History.com notes was sustained by two things: "the pistol at her side and her faith in God" — will grace a newly designed $20 bill, to be unveiled in 2030. There's no question that Tubman's heroic work leading slaves to freedom via the Underground Railroad merits her image on our currency. But who's getting the boot to make way for the Moses of her people? None other than our seventh president, Andrew Jackson, a Democrat.

Before any tears are shed for the military hero-turned commander in chief, consider that our greenbacks almost lost a patron saint, Alexander Hamilton, instead of someone who would have been appalled to find his face plastered to a federal bank note in the first place. Indeed, last year it seemed likely that Hamilton — who, aside from helping to write The Federalist Papers, stabilized America's finances, basically founded Wall Street and strongly advocated for a central bank — would be the latest casualty of the demand that a woman get her money's worth.

(On a side note, Martha Washington was on our currency in the 1800s, so Tubman won't be the first woman to grace it.)

Instead, public pressure — no doubt bolstered by the success of Broadway's "Hamilton" (after all, how can you watch our Founding Fathers rap on stage and not become a bit emotional?) — led to the decision to keep Hamilton and oust Jackson instead. Many will say "good riddance," given that the slaveholding Jackson ignored the Constitution and Supreme Court to force the removal of the Cherokee to Oklahoma by way of the Trail of Tears. Worse, he killed thousands of peaceable Native Americans and had a condescending attitude of using government to "civilize" those he didn't kill.

Regardless, Jackson would likely be the first to demand his own removal from our national currency. For starters, in 1832, he vetoed the renewal of the charter of the Bank of the United States — a precursor to today's Federal Reserve, which issues the very money Jackson's mug now graces. His reason? The bank basically picked winners and losers — rewarding some at the expense of everyone else. In his veto message, Jackson explained that the central bank "enjoys an exclusive privilege of banking under the authority of the General Government, a monopoly of its favor and support. ... Every monopoly and all exclusive privileges are granted at the expense of the public, which ought to receive a fair equivalent. The many millions which this act proposes to bestow on the stockholders of the existing bank must come directly or indirectly out of the earnings of the American people."

Among Jackson's main reasons for vetoing the central bank renewal were that it was not compatible with the Constitution or "consistent with the rights of the States or the liberties of the people."

As political analyst Robert Tracinski argues, "Jackson was not primarily for the people and against the elites on Wall Street. He was for the people and against the elites in Washington, D.C."

This perceived fight for the little guy became the building block of the once-noble Democrat Party. Unfortunately, today's Democrats have forgotten what it takes to truly fight for the common man; namely, less government control.

So as America prepares to bid farewell to Jackson on the $20 bill, it's not an altogether sad moment. The Treasury Department may be honoring him exactly as he would have liked.

And as for Tubman, how could we object to a brave, pistol-wielding abolitionist who said "I always tole God, I'm gwine to hole stiddy on to you, an' you've got to see me trou."

In God We Trust, and pass the ammunition, indeed.

 

[WalksOnWater]

Waiting to read all the wannabes now need so gnostically insist...

Yeah, but,Tubman would've been a Democrat/liberal/progressive today...

 

[doctor_insanus]

Huh.

A black woman who helped liberate slaves during the Civil War era was a Republican who carried a gun?

Shocking.