Harriet Tubman Will Replace Andrew Jackson on the $20

[doctor_insanus]

Welp.

It seems that talking point is getting its ass kicked with facts tonight.

 

[nerfhearder]

And cat videos.

 

[nerfhearder]

Welp.

It seems that talking point is getting its ass kicked with facts tonight.

The Que dude doesn't think when he speaks. Not that I always do either but I'm way better looking and my dick is much more massive.

 

[renard_ruse]

More cultural cleansing of white historical figures.

The media doesn't even try to hide it anymore. I saw one article gleefully wetting itself over who will be the next "white guy" to be removed from money. Even the term "white guy" is racist and sexist. You would never see any other race referred to as "guys" rather than men.

I still predict there will be a pendulum swing back and even the diverse groups will not support this stuff anymore. I don't think they all hate whites, although a lot of them do.

 

[nerfhearder]

More cultural cleansing of white historical figures.

The media doesn't even try to hide it anymore. I saw one article gleefully wetting itself over who will be the next "white guy" to be removed from money. Even the term "white guy" is racist and sexist. You would never see any other race referred to as "guys" rather than men.

I still predict there will be a pendulum swing back and even the diverse groups will not support this stuff anymore. I don't think they all hate whites, although a lot of them do.

And then this asshole shows up.

 

[nerfhearder]

And funny memes. Of course those might go with cat videos I suppose.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Que dude doesn't think when he speaks. Not that I always do either but I'm way better looking and my dick is much more massive.

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/Soonyigump/Poor%20Que_zpsbkilexja.jpg

 

[Que]

If the above CAPPED and underlined part were true, you'd have a point. In fact, it would be such an audacious oversight to not normalize hours worked that I went looking for more info on what the data was actually reporting. What I found was the reported data is median annual salaries of full time employees of each gender. I'm not surprised. Reporting it any other way would be senseless. Here's the slow trend upward since 1974. Note the chart title.

http://www.aauw.org/files/2015/02/Fig-1_fall-2015-update-011.jpg

I agree there are other factors that contribute to this, but from what I've seen, the comparison is full time female to full time male employees.

So a "full time" female cubicle rat with no skills and no overtime offered or worked should reasonably be compared to a male welder with as much overtime available as he can stand on a week on week off oil platform?


The biggest difference between vaguely similar male and female workers on similar career paths is that male workers tend to have less interuption in that career path. Because children.

Normalize for children. Workers with no children under age 30, women make MORE. Yes more.

Shawn says education favors men. How? Women are admitted at higher rates in both undergraduate and graduate programs, and graduate at higher rates as well.

Women overwhelmingly staf admissions departments and serve as HR heads of departments.

If, there was ANY difference in pay for the SAME job between men and women, the EEOC (and ambulance chasers) would be vigorously litigating. See Walmart.

The trope us as bullshit as Zumi's insistamce that White privelege accounts for failure in the black community.

Believe whatever makes you feel better about your station in life. Let me know if you personally have ever witnesed a concrete example of a woman or minority with same time in service, same job, either being denied a promotion or paid a penny less. I'll then refer you to the EEOC with an UNLIMITED legal budget for assistance.

 

[Aglaopheme]

So a "full time" female cubicle rat with no skills and no overtime offered or worked should reasonably be compared to a male welder with as much overtime available as he can stand on a week on week off oil plarform?


The biggest difference between vaguely similar male and female workers on similar career paths is that male workers tend to have less interuption in that career path. Because children.

Normalize for children. Workers with no children under age 30, women make MORE. Yes more.

Shean says esucation favors.nen. How? Women are admitted at higher rates in both undergraduate and graduate programs, and geaduate at higher rates as well.

Women overwhelmingly staf admissins departments and serve as HR heads of departments.

If, there was ANY difference in pay for the SAME job between men and women, the EEOC (and ambulance chasers) would be vigorously litigating. See Walmart.

The trope us as bullshit as Zumi's insistamce that White privelege accounts for failure in the black community.

Believe whatever makes you feel better about your station in life. Let me know if you personally have ever witnesed a concrete example of a woman or minority with same time in service, same job, either being denied a promotion or paid a penny less. I'll then refer you to the EEOC with an UNLIMITED legal budget for assistance.

Quoted for sheer amusement.

 

[Aglaopheme]

And to still missed some typos after the edit.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Don't hold your breath for old Tubby to decorate anything, paper money is doomed.

 

[renard_ruse]

...Believe whatever makes you feel better about your station in life. Let me know if you personally have ever witnesed a concrete example of a woman or minority with same time in service, same job, either being denied a promotion or paid a penny less. I'll then refer you to the EEOC with an UNLIMITED legal budget for assistance.

I used to think that as soon as someone reminded people that there have been massively powerful laws for half a century that outlaw any discrimination based on sex in employment and pay for the same job this regurgitated comparable worth crap would be laughed back out of the public discussion like it was back in the 80s when it was brought up the first time.

Somehow no matter how crazy, dishonest, or extreme things the 21st century left trots out, it never provokes a backlash anymore. It seems impossible for something to be "too far left" anymore to warrant opposition by the general public.

Oh, and these looney toon liberals who even want to get rid of opposite sex restrooms call themselves the "normal" people and those who oppose any of this stuff are "crazies" and "extremists" or some other insult term. The country has truly gone mad.

 

[Que]

And to still missed some typos after the edit.

Must suck to be in a position to boost your self esteem to such smug, Disgustipated spell-check level so cheaply.

Get back to me when you feel you can type error-free on a 2" x 4" screen.

It feels great that you have nothing of substance to say in rebuttal, because -truth.

 

[renard_ruse]

Harriet Tubman was not a government leader, not a politician, not a President, nothing. Affirmative action appointment to the money.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Sure because laws on the books actually means that those laws are never broken.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Must suck to be in a position to boost your self esteem to such smug, Disgustipated spell-check level so cheaply.

Get back to me when you feel you can type error-free on a 2" x 4" screen.

It feels great that you have nothing of substance to say in rebuttal, because -truth.

I'm constantly making typos. Lighten up, sporto.

 

[Que]

Sure because laws on the books actually means that those laws are never broken.

The EEOC is one of the most vigilant and responsive agencies in government. They take seriously and open a file on EVERY written complaint received.

Ask any HR rep and they will tell you companies fear the EEOC more than the IRS or OSHA.

Again, show me a single instance of a violation they let slide. I'll get you a great lawyer that will be delighted to take on a contingency.

 

[sigh]

So a "full time" female cubicle rat with no skills and no overtime offered or worked should reasonably be compared to a male welder with as much overtime available as he can stand on a week on week off oil plarform?


The biggest difference between vaguely similar male and female workers on similar career paths is that male workers tend to have less interuption in that career path. Because children.

Normalize for children. Workers with no children under age 30, women make MORE. Yes more.

Shean says esucation favors.nen. How? Women are admitted at higher rates in both undergraduate and graduate programs, and geaduate at higher rates as well.

Women overwhelmingly staf admissins departments and serve as HR heads of departments.

If, there was ANY difference in pay for the SAME job between men and women, the EEOC (and ambulance chasers) would be vigorously litigating. See Walmart.

The trope us as bullshit as Zumi's insistamce that White privelege accounts for failure in the black community.

Believe whatever makes you feel better about your station in life. Let me know if you personally have ever witnesed a concrete example of a woman or minority with same time in service, same job, either being denied a promotion or paid a penny less. I'll then refer you to the EEOC with an UNLIMITED legal budget for assistance.

I said there were variables. I don't need a lecture on them. Nor a sarcastic remark about how I feel about my station in life. I responded specifically because you put "AVERAGE NUMBER OF HOURS WORKED" in caps, like it was some big point, but clearly you didn't bother to fact-check your big bold assumption. To me it seemed so obviously untrue that it needed looking into. If it had proved to be true, I would have stepped wholeheartedly to your side. But it wasn't true. Sorry to break the news. I know it stings.

This was the final sentence in my last post to you: I agree there are other factors that contribute to this, but from what I've seen, the comparison is full time female to full time male employees.

So please note: the ONLY point I made was to make a correction that the data was actually a comparison between full time employees of each gender. Anything else you think I was saying came from you. More assumptions I guess.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Okie dokie.

A message from the Chair of the EEOC.

An increasing number of job seekers and workers have turned to the EEOC for assistance with discrimination complaints over the past 20 years. However, resources available to the EEOC have often failed to keep pace with this demand. Twenty years ago, the EEOC's authorized workforce was 3,071 FTE but, today the authorized workforce is 2,347 FTE. Between fiscal years 2000 and 2008 our staffing level dropped by nearly 30 percent while our jurisdiction expanded and the number of discrimination charges filed with the EEOC reached historic levels. The convergence of these factors produced a growing inventory of unresolved discrimination charges and strained resources available to devote to other critical priorities. Hiring and training of staff were severely curtailed and investments in new technology were also limited during this period. However, during fiscal years 2009 and 2010, we began the process of rebuilding our enforcement capacity as well as strategically managing existing resources.
Investments in staffing, training and technology have been reflected in key aspects of agency performance. For example, in fiscal year 2010, despite receiving a record number of new charges (99,922), the EEOC dramatically slowed the growth of the private sector charge inventory to less than one percent. In fiscal year 2011 we continued this progress and ended fiscal year 2011 with a pending inventory of 78,136 discrimination charges, which was nearly 10 percent below the pending inventory at the end of fiscal year 2010. Fiscal Year 2012 reflected similar progress with the pending inventory declining by 11 percent for a second consecutive year to 70,312 charges. The Commission was not able to sustain the significant reductions in the pending private sector charge inventory in fiscal year 2013, due to decline in staffing and resources. In light of these limitations, however, it is notable that the EEOC was able to achieve other accomplishments in fiscal year 2013, including securing a record setting amount of monetary relief for victims of discrimination and reducing the average resolution time for private sector charges and the inventory of pending aged appeals in the federal sector.
Despite these accomplishments, our rebuilding efforts are incomplete and the progress is fragile. Given the agency's varied enforcement responsibilities, we are constantly challenged to meet the growing public demand for the services we provide. We are mindful of the need for all federal government agencies to identify ways to reduce spending and have worked diligently to identify ways to cut costs that will not compromise or undermine our ability to fulfill our mission. EEOC employees have worked to improve operations, provide better service to the public and more effectively and efficiently enforce the federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination.
Nevertheless, the fiscal constraints of recent years, particularly the need to freeze hiring, suspend training programs and delay necessary technological improvements have severely impacted the EEOC. In order to achieve the spending reductions required by sequestration in fiscal year 2013, the EEOC's entire workforce was furloughed for 40 hours. In addition, other programs and project line items, including litigation and information technology, contracts for services, training, temporary clerical support, contract mediators and other expenditures important to fulfilling our mission have been reduced or suspended, severely impacting our ability to serve the public.

https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/plan/2015budget.cfm#_Toc381885102

 

[Sean Renaud]

More cultural cleansing of white historical figures.

The media doesn't even try to hide it anymore. I saw one article gleefully wetting itself over who will be the next "white guy" to be removed from money. Even the term "white guy" is racist and sexist. You would never see any other race referred to as "guys" rather than men.

I still predict there will be a pendulum swing back and even the diverse groups will not support this stuff anymore. I don't think they all hate whites, although a lot of them do.

Ignoring that there is nothing derogatory about "guy" the reality is that whites you would bother to describe them. Brunette, blonde, ginger. Only on rare occasions (see BET) would you refer to someone as "The White Guy." However the black guy or the Asian guy, hell yeah.

 

[Que]

If the meme had any merit, they wouldn't still be using old data, wrong data, and such broad-brush data.

There would be some categories of jobs on the table for discussion, ie: "why does job y get a different classification and pay when it is substantially the same as x"

Men make more because they take less time off work, and accept jobs that present greater risk of injury or death. Men routinely repot pay as the top priority when seeking employment. Women report quality of life issues being a factor.

Men do not "settle" for a slightly lower offer, because company A offers child-care reimbursment, flex-time, job sharing, or a "friendly, team oriented environment."

Companies are well aware they can attract women with those sorts of things. Any accurate accounting of differences in pay is impossible, but total cost per employee per hour worked is a good starting point.

Paying me overtime on 17,000 hours in 5.5 years made me one of the highest compensated hourly employees. I made more than twice what some women made (men too of course.) They were glad to do it because training is estimated at 1 million dollars counting equipment damage and losses. Combined with the cost of generous benefits including inexpensive, but scarce housing, far cheaper to pay me twice, and benefits once than hiring two employees to do my work. I only knew of one woman in my job that approached my level of overtime. She was a retired educator with grown children. Out of 650, probably 50 men made the kind of paychecks I did.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Shall I continue? I think I shall.

Rearranging women into higher-paying occupations would erase just 15 percent of the pay gap for all workers and between 30 and 35 percent for college graduates, she found. The rest has to do with something happening inside the workplace.

Take doctors and surgeons. Women earn 71 percent of men’s wages — after controlling for age, race, hours and education. Women who are financial specialists make 66 percent of what men in the same occupation earn, and women who are lawyers and judges make 82 percent.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?referer=

The article has a handy graph even.

 

[Que]

Okie dokie.

A message from the Chair of the EEOC.




https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/plan/2015budget.cfm#_Toc381885102

Again, meet the burden I described and they WILL be there, poste haste. Just because every sally, jamaal and pedro (hey ZUMI!) have learned they can often extort money from companies with an EEOC complaint and added to the burden does not mean they do not triage and the sort of nonsense you are pretending happens wouldn't get prompt attention.

"I was fired 'cause white privelege" they let season in the filing cabinet. The company settles, complaint dismissed. EEOC's whining notwithstanding.

 

[Que]

Shall I continue? I think I shall.




http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?referer=

The article has a handy graph even.

Again do you have ANY idea of the variables involved? Who does more sugeries? How many hours of experience does the male vs female surgeon have? Notice that isnt addressed and that is the biggest factor. Ditto Lawyers. Ditto u interupted carrer path for judges.

This slight attempt at an honest look cuts the 77c nonsense in half before it even begins

Defeat the apples to apples comparison under 30, no kids. The ONLY reason such women make more than men is because universities proudly discriminate against men. Because "male privelege."

 

[pensivepoet]

*dips toe in, and runs*