Harriet Tubman Will Replace Andrew Jackson on the $20

[Que]

I said there were variables. I don't need a lecture on them. Nor a sarcastic remark about how I feel about my station in life. I responded specifically because you put "AVERAGE NUMBER OF HOURS WORKED" in caps, like it was some big point, but clearly you didn't bother to fact-check your big bold assumption. To me it seemed so obviously untrue that it needed looking into. If it had proved to be true, I would have stepped wholeheartedly to your side. But it wasn't true. Sorry to break the news. I know it stings.

This was the final sentence in my last post to you: I agree there are other factors that contribute to this, but from what I've seen, the comparison is full time female to full time male employees.

So please note: the ONLY point I made was to make a correction that the data was actually a comparison between full time employees of each gender. Anything else you think I was saying came from you. More assumptions I guess.

When I said average hour worked, what I meant was you take the total hours men work, divide by the number of male workers. Take the total number of hours worked, divide by the number of women workers. This is how you compare HOURS WORKED.

Your nifty graph ccounts for none of that.

Jobs that have MANDATORY overtime pay more and have far less female applicants.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Again, meet the burden I described and they WILL be there, poste haste. Just because every sally, jamaal and pedro (hey ZUMI!) have learned they can often extort money from companies with an EEOC complaint and added to the burden does not mean they do not triage and the sort of nonsense you are pretending happens wouldn't get prompt attention.

"I was fired 'cause white privelege" they let season in the filing cabinet. The company settles, complaint dismissed. EEOC's whining notwithstanding.

The EEOC with their "unlimited budget" is whining? I'm only pretending, so why the need for the EEOC at all? Why the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act?

I'm willing to bet that I have more lawyers in my inner circle than you do. One that even specializes in employment law. How long do you think she, or any of them, would remain in business if she/they took every case against a corporation on contingency?

2 mins to go in the game, so relish in the last word you just have to have however unfounded it is guaranteed to be.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Again do you have ANY idea of the variables involved? Who does more sugeries? How many hours of experience does the male vs female surgeon have? Notice that isnt addressed and that is the biggest factor. Ditto Lawyers. Ditto u interupted carrer path for judges.

This slight attempt at an honest look cuts the 77c nonsense in half before it even begins

Defeat the apples to apples comparison under 30, no kids. The ONLY reason such women make more than men is because universities proudly discriminate against men. Because "male privelege."

I know, I know us pesky woman work less and have less experience, education, blab blah blah. Especially those darn lazy people of color! We all should earn less because you know better!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Quite amusing watching Que attemptin' to assert dominance over the pesky womenfolk with their inconvenient facts in this thread.

Maybe 4est_4est_Trump will show up in the morning to provide some badly needed "bro cavalry" support to his little off-board buddy.

#HeTriesSooooHard

 

[RoryN]

The ONLY reason such women make more than men is because universities proudly discriminate against men. Because "male privelege."

All of this misguided butthurt is going to be the catalyst for Hillary becoming President.

Thank you - and others who think like you - for making it happen. You will be the reason Dems win.

 

[sigh]

When I said average hour worked, what I meant was you take the total hours men work, divide by the number of male workers. Take the total number of hours worked, divide by the number of women workers. This is how you compare HOURS WORKED.

Your nifty graph ccounts for none of that.

Jobs that have MANDATORY overtime pay more and have far less female applicants.

Who cares about average number of hours worked if we're only comparing full time, year round employees? For the vast majority of jobs and employers, that's defined as 40 hours a week, and yes, there are tons of stats available comparing job by job, region by region and so on. Not all variables are unaccounted for. Oh, and my nifty graph was posted only for its title.

Speaking of variables, you keep brandishing them (mandatory overtime, this time) as if I'm denying them. I'm not. Nor have I tried to or even suggested that they have no value. I only pointed out your capitalized bullshit (and it's still bullshit, regardless that you know how to calculate an average). I wasn't even trying to be nasty. It was a simple correction, stated politely while acknowledging the variables that I've now affirmed two more times. You get reactionary really fast, you know that?

You still seem to be working under the assumption that I think the gender wage-gap is real. Care to explain how you came to that conclusion since I'm pretty sure I've never said it, either here or in real life?

Hell, I really didn't want to pick a fight with you Que and I'm not in the mood for it. Your "station in life" snipe put me off and I bristled, but now I'll wander on. I think we're partly spinning our wheels on misunderstandings, and the rest is simple differences in analysis. Peace.

 

[toubab]

This kind of political correctness is ridiculous, in my opinion. Andrew Jackson deserves better. Nothing against Harriet Tubman, but Jackson deserves better. He risked a lot, and did a lot, as did his family, paying in blood and lives for the founding of the country, and for its continued existence, starting as early as the Revolutionary War.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/68bf9124caf726350ed40ee809ce0be09c8d0c4d/c=0-0-719-541&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2015/06/18/USATODAY/USATODAY/635702359922585644-Screen-Shot-2015-06-18-at-2.49.46-PM.jpg

MARTHA WASHINGTON


LADY VER IS WRONG AGAIN

 

[NOIRTRASH]

For all intents and purposes American women fall into 3 categories: wife, waitress, and whore.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Other changes that are going to be made in case people didn't read the article.

The Story of the New $10 – Women’s Suffrage

Treasury’s relationship with the suffrage movement dates to the Women’s Suffrage Parade of 1913 when thousands marched down Pennsylvania Avenue from the U.S. Capitol to the Treasury Department in Washington, DC. On the steps of the Treasury Building, the marchers demanded an amendment to the Constitution enfranchising women. The new $10 will honor the 1913 march and the leaders of the suffrage movement—Susan B. Anthony, Alice Paul, Sojourner Truth, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott—who were instrumental in the passage of the 19th Amendment.

https://modernmoney.treasury.gov/new-bills/10-bill

The Story of the New $5 – Historic Events at the Lincoln Memorial

In the Gettysburg Address, President Abraham Lincoln called for a “new birth of freedom,” urging Americans to do their part to complete, the “unfinished work” ahead.

The Lincoln Memorial has long served as a place where people gathered to complete that unfinished work.

In 1939—at a time when concert halls were still segregated—world renowned Opera singer Marian Anderson helped advance civil rights when, with the support of First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, she performed at the Lincoln Memorial in front of 75,000 people.

And in 1963, Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered his historic “I Have a Dream” speech at the same monument in front of hundreds of thousands.

https://modernmoney.treasury.gov/new-bills/5-bill

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Bah...Do not care all that much.Always thought ex presidents and or founding fathers was a good bench mark. Not as open to interpretation as historical significance. I personally do not see the historical significance of Tubman.

As far as the wage thing..... The stats most "sources" use are junk and mean nothing. It has been a long time since a had a hourly wage, but I doubt that how those wages are set has changed. They do not account for gender. A starting job doing X makes Y an hour regardless.

Salary positions are negotiated. If I negotiated a better deal than the girl down the hall it is not sexism, it is not the worlds fault. It is her fault.

Then you have pure sales jobs. Is it a guys fault if he happens to sell more than his female counter part?

Sure there is a wage disparity. But it is not even close to the stats reported by most sources. It also has far less to do with race/gender than it does time in the workplace and education levels.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Bah...Do not care all that much.Always thought ex presidents and or founding fathers was a good bench mark. Not as open to interpretation as historical significance. I personally do not see the historical significance of Tubman.

As far as the wage thing..... The stats most "sources" use are junk and mean nothing. It has been a long time since a had a hourly wage, but I doubt that how those wages are set has changed. They do not account for gender. A starting job doing X makes Y an hour regardless.

Salary positions are negotiated. If I negotiated a better deal than the girl down the hall it is not sexism, it is not the worlds fault. It is her fault.

Then you have pure sales jobs. Is it a guys fault if he happens to sell more than his female counter part?

Sure there is a wage disparity. But it is not even close to the stats reported by most sources. It also has far less to do with race/gender than it does time in the workplace and education levels.

You don't agree with the statistics presented, so you denigrate the source.

A toxic brew of both epistemic closure and confirmation bias.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The Founding Fathers and former presidents aren't open to interpretation like other historical figures? Interesting.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If it were put to vote I'd vote for Weesy or JJ on the $20.

 

[pensivepoet]

For all intents and purposes American women fall into 3 categories: wife, waitress, and whore.

And sometimes 1 woman can fill all 3 roles.
Is this a great country or what!

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Founding Fathers and former presidents aren't open to interpretation like other historical figures? Interesting.

This will come as a seismic shock to the RWCJ here, who have in the past routinely "clarified" what the Founding Fathers "really meant".....

 

[VaticanAssassin]

You don't agree with the statistics presented, so you denigrate the source.

A toxic brew of both epistemic closure and confirmation bias.

Nope. I do not agree because they are junk plain and simple.

They do not account for career interruptions or the fact that females are more likely to enter low paying jobs. IE teachers. Or a hundred other factors. Most are simple calcs of total work force/total pay. 100% meaningless.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ng-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The Founding Fathers and former presidents aren't open to interpretation like other historical figures? Interesting.

I guess you could argue Ben was not a founder father.

I failed to qualify my statement for stupid people......

 

[smartjuanxxx]

Obama's pic should be on teh $19 trillion debt bill

 

[WalksOnWater]

It's sad that such a legendary American freedom fighter is enshrined in such a depreciating way.

$20 in Tubman's time was actually worth much, much more than the paper it was printed on; today, comparatively, it's worth even much less than the $3.06 it was worth in 2010.

(http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/)

Old America once printed $1,000 and $5,000 and $10,000 bills, with even a $100,000 made for certain transactions, upon which Tubman's image would most definitely have been worthy.

Isn't it ridiculously amazing what an almost worthless $20 bill will buy in the lemmingland that is the USSA today.

[Note intentional lack of question mark.]

 

[Sean Renaud]

Shame about all that inflation that the government didn't eliminate for whatever good it would have done.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nope. I do not agree because they are junk plain and simple.

They do not account for career interruptions or the fact that females are more likely to enter low paying jobs. IE teachers. Or a hundred other factors. Most are simple calcs of total work force/total pay. 100% meaningless.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ng-you-need-to-know-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

Oh how dense you are.

Go take a look at the graph in the link in post 122. That shows an apples-to-apples comparison for the exact same job fields, so your "but...but...enter low paying jobs" blather does not hold up to scrutiny.

Your "career interruption" suggestion might have some validity.

In the end though, YOU have posted a link that shows that there IS a wage discrepancy based on gender, which goes to prove MY position, not yours. Your article simply states that the discrepancy MIGHT not be as much as the government numbers, which is debatable.

Your "but..but..hundred other factors" claim is not born out by facts....it's simply red herrings on your part trying to deflect attention away from the core issue.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Oh how dense you are.

Go take a look at the graph in the link in post 122. That shows an apples-to-apples comparison for the exact same job fields, so your "but...but...enter low paying jobs" blather does not hold up to scrutiny.

Your "career interruption" suggestion might have some validity.

In the end though, YOU have posted a link that shows that there IS a wage discrepancy based on gender, which goes to prove MY position, not yours. Your article simply states that the discrepancy MIGHT not be as much as the government numbers, which is debatable.

Your "but..but..hundred other factors" claim is not born out by facts....it's simply red herrings on your part trying to deflect attention away from the core issue.

Negative ghost rider.

I said there was a disparity.

Just because I clarified that I believe that disparity is often over represented by shady math, and not 100% attributable to sex/race does not change the fact that I clearly said there is one.....

 

[snugglestruggle]

I see that as a positive. 9 Tubmans sounds kind of cool and pimp-like. Not that I agree with slapping ho's. I mean unless they're holding back some Tubmans.

This morning for a solid half hour all one local morning show did was cut up with the Tubman/Jackson money sex jokes. Of course people called and joined in.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

this is stupid ...