Hey, gun nuts!

[Recidiva]

Only the shotgun was destroyed by time and lack of care. The three .22 rifles (including the one you took to school) are in firing shape, just cosmetic issues. Then there's my two pistols (.22 and 9mm) and the scoped 9mm carbine.

So six functional in all and one old 12 gauge that isn't worth repairing.

Plus you know where the ammo is.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Plus you know where the ammo is.

Well, that's the easy part, there's a full magazine with the 9mm pistol and one with the carbine. Just have to slap it in (that's what she said ) and chamber a round.

 

[Recidiva]

Well, that's the easy part, there's a full magazine with the 9mm pistol and one with the carbine. Just have to slap it in (that's what she said ) and chamber a round.

I don't remember saying that...hey!

 

[Peregrinator]

Is the shotgun at least an interesting wall hanger?

I was also thinking that old and unfireable shotguns would make for some exciting toy cannons. Launch tubes for fireworks and Estes rockets, that sort of thing.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Is the shotgun at least an interesting wall hanger?

I was also thinking that old and unfireable shotguns would make for some exciting toy cannons. Launch tubes for fireworks and Estes rockets, that sort of thing.

It was left unprotected in the attic for years. The firing mechanism is shot, the barrel is corroded. I wouldn't trust it to handle any sort of explosive force and cleaning it up to hang on the wall doesn't suit me. I want a functional firearm, not a conversation piece.

 

[Peregrinator]

It was left unprotected in the attic for years. The firing mechanism is shot, the barrel is corroded. I wouldn't trust it to handle any sort of explosive force and cleaning it up to hang on the wall doesn't suit me. I want a functional firearm, not a conversation piece.

Too bad. I'm sure it could handle something like a carbide pop, like one of those old Bangsite cannons, but whatever. What was it?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Too bad. I'm sure it could handle something like a carbide pop, like one of those old Bangsite cannons, but whatever. What was it?

Just a regular old mass produced single shot 12 ga.

I'm much more interested in restoring the .22LR single shot rifle my father-in-law hunted with when he was in college.

 

[Balladeer08]

Only the shotgun was destroyed by time and lack of care. The three .22 rifles (including the one you took to school) are in firing shape, just cosmetic issues. Then there's my two pistols (.22 and 9mm) and the scoped 9mm carbine.

So six functional in all and one old 12 gauge that isn't worth repairing.

It may not be worth repairing in and of itself, but could be useful as a training project for an aspiring gunsmith.

You could have your own minion!

 

[Peregrinator]

Just a regular old mass produced single shot 12 ga.

I'm much more interested in restoring the .22LR single shot rifle my father-in-law hunted with when he was in college.

My fil has a single shot .22 also. Fun gun, but kind of a drag at the range. It's funny with CB rounds. Sounds like a cap gun. Which, now that I think about it, it is, with those loads.

 

[butters]

Thanks.

I own seven. One is an antique that hangs above the fireplace in the in-laws' house but still functions. Two are shotguns and two rifles. Two handguns.

I go to the shooting range as often as reasonable and make holes in paper things, and I shoot trap when I can. My local club meets for trap once a week, but it's not always on a day when I can go, so it works out to maybe twice a month in the summer.

I plan to hunt this fall as well.

i can appreciate the visual attraction of some older firearms, and think i might enjoy target shooting, but with how i feel about wildlife and my brit upbringing, i'm pretty sure hunting will remain a no-no for me. doesn't mean i have a problem with people getting meat that way, or swiftly dispatching injured/very sick animals - but i'll never get my head round people enjoying killing. i caught a fish once - never again

i'm going to have to adjust my sensibilities some when i move. earlier, H was saying his son had just taken the grandkids over the back fields with some guns for some shooting practice. omg, not shooting the kids!

 

[Peregrinator]

i can appreciate the visual attraction of some older firearms, and think i might enjoy target shooting, but with how i feel about wildlife and my brit upbringing, i'm pretty sure hunting will remain a no-no for me. doesn't mean i have a problem with people getting meat that way, or swiftly dispatching injured/very sick animals - but i'll never get my head round people enjoying killing. i caught a fish once - never again

i'm going to have to adjust my sensibilities some when i move. earlier, H was saying his son had just taken the grandkids over the back fields with some guns for some shooting practice. omg, not shooting the kids!

I wouldn't even start to think of killing just to kill. Trophy hunting is an act of sheer, unadulterated gleeful violence. "I killed this with a gun!"

If I hunt, it will be for deer, and I'll use as much of the animal as I can. They're badly overpopulated here, and I'm pretty sure I'd rather get shot than starve to death. Until we reintroduce the wolf and do away with urban areas, they're unfortunately going to remain that way.

Target shooting is fun, one of those things that makes you immediately want to get better.

 

[butters]

I wouldn't even start to think of killing just to kill. Trophy hunting is an act of sheer, unadulterated gleeful violence. "I killed this with a gun!"

If I hunt, it will be for deer, and I'll use as much of the animal as I can. They're badly overpopulated here, and I'm pretty sure I'd rather get shot than starve to death. Until we reintroduce the wolf and do away with urban areas, they're unfortunately going to remain that way.

Target shooting is fun, one of those things that makes you immediately want to get better.

i know

exactly. if an animal has to lose its life, don't go wasting what can be used otherwise it's just disrespectful.

and i'd rather shoot rather than starve

 

[Recidiva]

i know

exactly. if an animal has to lose its life, don't go wasting what can be used otherwise it's just disrespectful.

and i'd rather shoot rather than starve

I've never shot anything to eat.

I could, but mostly I just blow out my eardrums even with protection and get upset that my hand hurts.

Poor wrist strength. That's why the custom stock against the shoulder is better, plus intimidation factor.

 

[Peregrinator]

i know

exactly. if an animal has to lose its life, don't go wasting what can be used otherwise it's just disrespectful.

and i'd rather shoot rather than starve

I've recently met a few hunters who have a pretty profound connection to the natural world. At least one is seriously spiritual about it. I hope to be more like that.

 

[Ishmael]

Yup, top break, and fairly long. I was aware it wasn't overly valuable, but it does have the obvious care in it that everything had more of back then. Nice wood, pretty metals. Solid. No plastic, etc. I really like this gun.

That pistol is sweet. God damn you, now I have to go learn about different .22 chambers as well.

Hope all is well with y'all.

Doing well thx.

I should have said 4 most common chamberings. Below is a partial list.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n260/raayjayy/PTG22lrreamerspecs.jpg

The four most common are LR match, LR sporting, bentz, and universal.

Some of the chambers are unique to specific rifles (Win. 52D, LR Anschutz) and some to specific ammo (Ely EPS, Stinger). Unless you are purchasing a specific rifle most folks don't have to worry much. The sole exception is the CCI Stinger and copycats cartridge which can cause problems in certain firearms.

By far the most common are the LR sporting and Universal chambers. They provide adequate accuracy with the largest range of ammo.

Ishmael

 

[Peregrinator]

It never fails to amaze me. All over the world, for centuries, people have been tweaking firearms by .0000000000000001mm in a given dimension and constantly tinkering in order to squeeze that extra iota of some performance datum out of what the vast majority of people would see as a perfectly serviceable, adequate firearm. I swear to god, gun designers are worse than orchid growers and vintners.

Don't get me wrong, that's not a negative criticism. Just astonishment at the level of obsession is all.

 

[butters]

It never fails to amaze me. All over the world, for centuries, people have been tweaking firearms by .0000000000000001mm in a given dimension and constantly tinkering in order to squeeze that extra iota of some performance datum out of what the vast majority of people would see as a perfectly serviceable, adequate firearm. I swear to god, gun designers are worse than orchid growers and vintners.

Don't get me wrong, that's not a negative criticism. Just astonishment at the level of obsession is all.

perfectionists

right now, on Pawn Stars, there's a guy brought in a gun key to pawn - it's a key AND a gun. old - 17th century, hand made, and probably used by a jailor.

 

[Peregrinator]

perfectionists

right now, on Pawn Stars, there's a guy brought in a gun key to pawn - it's a key AND a gun. old - 17th century, hand made, and probably used by a jailor.

There's a whole butterload of guns combined with other objects. It's amazing, sometimes. The most common I've seen are swords and knives, of course, but there's canes and hairbrushes and all sorts of stuff. I think the trend started back when most guns were as reliable as English built computers, and continued through the glory days of secret agents.

On a related note, an acquaintance of mine once traveled to that famous gun-dealing town in Pakistan and bought a pen gun. He was later questioned by police, who were convinced he was an American spy.

 

[butters]

There's a whole butterload of guns combined with other objects. It's amazing, sometimes. The most common I've seen are swords and knives, of course, but there's canes and hairbrushes and all sorts of stuff. I think the trend started back when most guns were as reliable as English built computers, and continued through the glory days of secret agents.

On a related note, an acquaintance of mine once traveled to that famous gun-dealing town in Pakistan and bought a pen gun. He was later questioned by police, who were convinced he was an American spy.

hairbrushes! ha! whatever next?

here's a pic of a gunkey/keygun but this one's an 1850's piece - looks similar to the one they showed, but they did say that was about 2 hundred years older.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...5fe_691a_0d_799b_2f_31da_91ff_18_orig-tfb.jpg

 

[Peregrinator]

hairbrushes! ha! whatever next?

here's a pic of a gunkey/keygun but this one's an 1850's piece - looks similar to the one they showed, but they did say that was about 2 hundred years older.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...5fe_691a_0d_799b_2f_31da_91ff_18_orig-tfb.jpg

Cigar action. Nice. "Here comes the jailer...be cool, his cigar is lit."

 

[butters]

Cigar action. Nice. "Here comes the jailer...be cool, his cigar is lit."

they fired it at the end of the programme: there was a hammer action; first they had to light a piece of twisted cloth (as substitute for a piece of hemp twine), wait for it to get properly alight, then use the 'trigger' to lower the burning taper to the gunpowder. took a while for the powder to catch but it still fired!

gotta go, New Gotham!

 

[thør]

It never fails to amaze me. All over the world, for centuries, people have been tweaking firearms by .0000000000000001mm in a given dimension and constantly tinkering in order to squeeze that extra iota of some performance datum out of what the vast majority of people would see as a perfectly serviceable, adequate firearm. I swear to god, gun designers are worse than orchid growers and vintners.

Don't get me wrong, that's not a negative criticism. Just astonishment at the level of obsession is all.

The obsession is to put the bullets all in the same hole or exactly where you want them.

In practice for prone smallbore matches, it's common to kill the flies on the 50 yard targets when using a scope.

 

[Ishmael]

The obsession is to put the bullets all in the same hole or exactly where you want them.

In practice for prone smallbore matches, it's common to kill the flies on the 50 yard targets when using a scope.

That's no bullshit.

And different rifles/pistols show a remarkable sensitivity to the ammo used.

My Rem. 40X performed best with CIL Canuck Pistol Match (that Co. has been out of biz. for a while). While my Anschutz like Ely Tenex at 50yd/50m and Ely Match at 100 yds. My Win. 52B liked CCI Standard Velocity best. <shrug>

If you want to kill flies at 50yds you have to experiment a little.

Ishmael

 

[thør]

That's no bullshit.

And different rifles/pistols show a remarkable sensitivity to the ammo used.

My Rem. 40X performed best with CIL Canuck Pistol Match (that Co. has been out of biz. for a while). While my Anschutz like Ely Tenex at 50yd/50m and Ely Match at 100 yds. My Win. 52B liked CCI Standard Velocity best. <shrug>

If you want to kill flies at 50yds you have to experiment a little.

Ishmael

And then, different lots shot differently.

 

[Ishmael]

And then, different lots shot differently.

Yeah, you NEVER mixed lots during a match.

With the high-power it wasn't so much a problem in that I did my own reloading and tailored the loads, seating, etc. to each specific rifle. Occasionally I'd see a slight difference between lots of powder but not so much that it couldn't be 'tuned' out.

Ishmael