hmmm...i don't know how i feel about this...the KKK shouldn't be honored

[thegirlfriday11]

My replied is related to this ...



I'm truly amazed at how some that post about hate speech by people like the KKK, and even promote taking peoples freedoms away because they don't like their speech, can be ignorant to the hate speech made by people like Santorum. This has been discussed a number of times here at Lit. But many, including yourself, still seem to not be aware of it. You claim it isn't the same. Many people that believe the same as Santorum have committed numerous violent acts against queers. Again, the ignorance does astound me. Your willingness to allow others to have their rights stripped away just because some don't like their speech is truly scary. Santorum doesn't like our speech ... and he's a Senator that can push through laws.

i don't spend a lot of time on lit and read very few threads

i don't know what speech you're talking about

my dissent is toward the state allowing the group to participate in state supported events, especially since that group has a history of violent aggression toward other groups
that is all

you think pedophiles should be allowed to clean up parks and recreation centers, and have signs posted thanking them for their work?

 

[thegirlfriday11]

They don't lose their right to freedom of speech.

this isn't about freedom of speech

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Reality check here. Saying, "I hate niggers!" is not a crime. Saying, "I hate you, nigger!" is not a crime. Saying, "Get out of this neighborhood, nigger!" is not a crime. Saying, "Get out of this neighborhood or I'll kill you!" IS a crime. So is tresspassing onto someone's property to burn a cross. So is vandalism. So is terrorism. So is making threatening phone calls. So is criminal conspiracy. If they commit those acts, bust em!

It is also not a crime to belong to organizations that advocate criminal acts. Shall we outlaw The Cannibis Society?

Hate is not a crime. At least not in this country.

MOTIVE IS NOT CRIME. Actions are crimes. If you would like to live in a country where the government decides what you can think and what you can say and who you can associate with, there are several. North Korea comes to mind. Have a good time.

Let me repeat: MOTIVE IS NOT CRIME.

but actions are, and that group has supported criminal activity

is the cannabis society trespassing and threatening others
do they have a history of violent crimes against humanity

that's the difference

 

[woody54]

Let me repeat: MOTIVE IS NOT CRIME.

You havent been reading the Patriot Act properly where it specifies the illegality of even thinking bad stuff.

It may be a sleeper but it is there.

 

[H piltdown]

If the KKK calls for an incitement to violence then they have exceeded the limits of their 1st Amendment rights. If they have not, then their speech will be protected. If the Klan has comitted illegal acts in the past, those members responsible for the crime should be prosecuted for that crime. We cannot punish the whole for the abuses of the few and we cannot deny fellow Americans their Constitutional rights regardless of the vile content of their perverse ideology.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United states of America

"Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful... Better a thousandfold abuse of free speech than denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race." -Charles Bradlaugh

"The public interest is best served by the free exchange of ideas." -Judge John Kane

"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." -Justice William O. Douglas

 

[OneColdMonkey]

Eh, it's a free country. If they want to help clean a little of it, at least they're being more productive members of society then they usually are.

Personaly, I wanna see pics of klansmen picking up trash in their pointy hats.

 

[Pookie]

this isn't about freedom of speech

Sure it is. It's totally about freedom of expression. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

 

[Pookie]

i don't spend a lot of time on lit and read very few threads

i don't know what speech you're talking about

my dissent is toward the state allowing the group to participate in state supported events, especially since that group has a history of violent aggression toward other groups
that is all

you think pedophiles should be allowed to clean up parks and recreation centers, and have signs posted thanking them for their work?

As for known pedophiles, they're most likely in prison or under some time of house arrest. Even so, I don't know of any groups that actually practice pedophila. I'm sure law enforcement would be all over them if they did.

What if the State decides to disallow all groups with a history of violent aggression? Who gets to draw the line today? Tomorrow?

There are many in the groups like the Religious Right who preach hatred toward queers that think we're a bunch of pedophiles. What if they had the power to take away our right to freedom of expression? Again, who gets to draw the line? Defense of freedom of expression is most critical when the expression is most repulsive. What happens when your speech becomes the next most repulsive? It's a very dangerous precedent to set. Be careful what you ask for.

 

[The Mutt]

You havent been reading the Patriot Act properly where it specifies the illegality of even thinking bad stuff.

It may be a sleeper but it is there.

You're right. Sorry, I was talking about America, not Bushland.

 

[The Mutt]

i don't spend a lot of time on lit and read very few threads

i don't know what speech you're talking about

my dissent is toward the state allowing the group to participate in state supported events, especially since that group has a history of violent aggression toward other groups
that is all

you think pedophiles should be allowed to clean up parks and recreation centers, and have signs posted thanking them for their work?

Again, being a pedophile is not a crime. ACTING on those desires is.