hmmm...i don't know how i feel about this...the KKK shouldn't be honored

[Guest]

there's a difference
you haven't commited an act which directly imposes on the physical well-being of another
you've not violated anothers' right by expressing your thoughts and beliefs
it would be wrong to limit your rights

but if you were to take your beliefs in your rights so far as to physically threaten or intimidate another, such that they are in fear of their life, then you should lose your rights

Its called assualt. and if what you wished happened, our jails would be even more over flowing. I take it you where a fan of Minority Report huh. Pre-Crime.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

True, but there are people who believe they are "perverted" or "sick", and don't think they have the "right" to live as they choose. Your argument is the same as some fundamentalist ranting about homosexuality.

it's not even close to the same

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Tell that to the Religious Right and people like Senator Rick Santorium.

ok, got the contact info?

i'd be glad to

 

[thegirlfriday11]

a person is not a criminal unless they engage in a criminal act.

the KKK has engaged in criminal acts and they promote them

 

[catfish]

Originally posted by thegirlfriday11
it's not even close to the same

Yes it is. You are imposing your belief, that because the Klan has done bad things in the past, they have no right to free speech. They have the right, they do not have the right to commit violence. You have to seperate the two, speech and illegal activity.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

see you are blanketing the whole group. you can't do that. If one person goes and kill on the behalf of the kkk then HE LOSES HIS RIGHTS. The kkk does not.

Can you show me where they believe freedom of speech extends to violence.

their hate and violence as an organization is well known and well documented

 

[Guest]

their hate and violence as an organization is well known and well documented

wow way to not answer me.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Its called assualt. and if what you wished happened, our jails would be even more over flowing. I take it you where a fan of Minority Report huh. Pre-Crime.

i believe in crime prevention by not supporting groups that are known to promote and commit violent crimes

 

[Pookie]

ok, got the contact info?

i'd be glad to

Your ignorance about those that oppose and still think queers are a danger to society is astounding.

But here's Rick Santorum's contact link ...

http://santorum.senate.gov/public/i...ontactInformation.ContactForm&IsTextOnly=True

He can pass the word on to his buddies while he preaches and promotes his own brand of hate ...

U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Monday he has no regrets about his controversial remarks equating homosexual acts to bigamy, polygamy and incest and suggested legalizing homosexual marriage would threaten heterosexual marriage’s role in “the continuation of civilization.”

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Yes it is. You are imposing your belief, that because the Klan has done bad things in the past, they have no right to free speech. They have the right, they do not have the right to commit violence. You have to seperate the two, speech and illegal activity.

they lose their rights when they kill others

put them in jail, then they can speak out all they want from their cells

 

[Guest]

i believe in crime prevention by not supporting groups that are known to promote and commit violent crimes

so how is adopting a high way support violent crimes?

 

[Guest]

they lose their rights when they kill others

put them in jail, then they can speak out all they want from their cells

you still are failing to seperate the two. Try doing that first.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Your ignorance about those that oppose and still think queers are a danger to society is astounding.

But here's Rick Santorum's contact link ...

http://santorum.senate.gov/public/i...ontactInformation.ContactForm&IsTextOnly=True

He can pass the word on to his buddies while he preaches and promotes his own brand of hate ...

i said i'd love to write a letter stating my beliefs that gays aren't hurting others
i'd like to put in my two cents and support those who believe that gays are not a threat

now how am i ignorant and why the hell are you being pissy?

i'm just having a friendly debate
don't go getting ugly
it's unbecoming

 

[thegirlfriday11]

so how is adopting a high way support violent crimes?

signs posted at each end thanking them for their work

gets people curious and potentially recruits members when people check into it

it's advertising

 

[thegirlfriday11]

you still are failing to seperate the two. Try doing that first.

and you still don't get that criminals lose their rights


figure that out first

 

[Guest]

signs posted at each end thanking them for their work

gets people curious and potentially recruits members when people check into it

it's advertising

how does it support violent crimes. This does not.

and you still don't get that criminals lose their rights
figure that out first

IF they commit a crime. If that person has then yes he loses SOME Rights. So far you have shown no one person who is envolved in this who has commited a crime.

 

[zipman]

As much as I hate that group and hate their messages they should be allowed to participate in the program as long as they do not incite or advocate violence.

Freedom of Speech can be a real bitch sometimes.

 

[Pookie]

i said i'd love to write a letter stating my beliefs that gays aren't hurting others
i'd like to put in my two cents and support those who believe that gays are not a threat

now how am i ignorant and why the hell are you being pissy?

i'm just having a friendly debate
don't go getting ugly
it's unbecoming

My replied is related to this ...

gays and lesbians aren't terrorizing and hurting others

I'm truly amazed at how some that post about hate speech by people like the KKK, and even promote taking peoples freedoms away because they don't like their speech, can be ignorant to the hate speech made by people like Santorum. This has been discussed a number of times here at Lit. But many, including yourself, still seem to not be aware of it. You claim it isn't the same. Many people that believe the same as Santorum have committed numerous violent acts against queers. Again, the ignorance does astound me. Your willingness to allow others to have their rights stripped away just because some don't like their speech is truly scary. Santorum doesn't like our speech ... and he's a Senator that can push through laws.

 

[Pookie]

and you still don't get that criminals lose their rights


figure that out first

They don't lose their right to freedom of speech.

 

[mstryninja]

well thanks

btw...you haven't said anything that i find upsetting

though i imagine i upset you if you're thinking about killing me

Don't take it personaly.

I think about killing lots of people.

 

[Guest]

I'm truly amazed at how some that post about hate speech by people like the KKK, and even promote taking peoples freedoms away because they don't like their speech, can be ignorant to the hate speech made by people like Santorum. This has been discussed a number of times here at Lit. But many, including yourself, still seem to not be aware of it. You claim it isn't the same. Many people that believe the same as Santorum have committed numerous violent acts against queers. Again, the ignorance does astound me. Your willingness to allow others to have their rights stripped away just because some don't like their speech is truly scary. Santorum doesn't like our speech ... and he's a Senator that can push through laws.

what Santorum has down can be just as damaging as the kkk gang beating a black person. Thats how i see it

 

[Purple Haze]

you cannot compare christianity to the KKK, that's ridiculous

Al Qaeda is compared to the Nation of Islam all the time.

Same difference...

 

[Pookie]

what Santorum has down can be just as damaging as the kkk gang beating a black person. Thats how i see it

My whole point is that Santorum and those like him (i.e. the Religious Right, etc.) do believe queers are hurting and damaging society ... just like the KKK in many ways. According to them, queers have a "gay agenda" to destroy many institutions of society. If he had the power that thegirlfriday11 would like to have (taking away freedom of speech), it would be a very sad day for the US Constitution.

 

[Guest]

My whole point is that Santorum and those like him (i.e. the Religious Right, etc.) do believe queers are hurting and damaging society ... just like the KKK in many ways. According to them, queers have a "gay agenda" to destroy many institutions of society. If he had the power that thegirlfriday11 would like to have (taking away freedom of speech), it would be a very sad day for the US Constitution.

I know.

Bill O'Reilly and the right use these terms all the time

 

[The Mutt]

rights only go so far

true story...i'll try to find the related news story

about 6 months ago (possibly more) a black family moved into a predominately white, middle class neighborhood in Garland Texas

immediately their house was repeatedly vandalized, the children terrified, threatening phone calls were made, a cross was burnt on their lawn, and the KKK was telling them to get out or it would get worse

that man worked hard to get his family into a higher economic status
as an american, he has that right, as well as the right to live where he wants and for his children to go to good schools

the KKK has the right to say they don't think he has that right, but they don't have the right to terrorize others

i would hope that my fellow americans would not want to live in a country where the KKK has the right to continue terrorizing non-white people because of freedom of speech

freedom of speech is one thing, but the KKK still violently acts upon their beliefs, and because they don't believe non-whites have rights and are subhuman

if a person commits a crime, by imposing on or violating another's rights, they lose their rights by going to jail or are ordered into rehab, away from their group, are heavily monitored, etc

the KKK managed to commit violent crimes and are still allowed to have their organization...which i think is where we are wrong in this country
if the organization has a violent history and supports and encourages criminal activity, then like the individual criminal, the organization should lose those rights unless they reform...just like prisoners...you stop committing and upholding crime, you get your rights back

that goes the same for the black panthers, and any anti-race or hate group, including religious ones

Reality check here. Saying, "I hate niggers!" is not a crime. Saying, "I hate you, nigger!" is not a crime. Saying, "Get out of this neighborhood, nigger!" is not a crime. Saying, "Get out of this neighborhood or I'll kill you!" IS a crime. So is tresspassing onto someone's property to burn a cross. So is vandalism. So is terrorism. So is making threatening phone calls. So is criminal conspiracy. If they commit those acts, bust em!

It is also not a crime to belong to organizations that advocate criminal acts. Shall we outlaw The Cannibis Society?

Hate is not a crime. At least not in this country.

MOTIVE IS NOT CRIME. Actions are crimes. If you would like to live in a country where the government decides what you can think and what you can say and who you can associate with, there are several. North Korea comes to mind. Have a good time.

Let me repeat: MOTIVE IS NOT CRIME.