hmmm...i don't know how i feel about this...the KKK shouldn't be honored

[Guest]

I am curious, what if this was a gay/lesbian group that wanted to pick up trash and have their name on the sign? I am willing to bet some fundamentalist group would protest it based on their beliefs. Would it be ok to exclude them because some group finds them offensive? Absolutely not. Speech and free association are protected and should be protected. Your feelings about the speech and group are immaterial.

like the people who are against Gays adopting Kids with aids. They rather have them in the system. Not have a good warm home. Shame really.

 

[Guest]

i don't think a group like that should be allowed to promote their hate
nor be praised for cleaning up the road

as American citizens they are entitled to freedom of expression.
It doesnt matter if you dont agree.

 

[Pookie]

I am curious, what if this was a gay/lesbian group that wanted to pick up trash and have their name on the sign? I am willing to bet some fundamentalist group would protest it based on their beliefs. Would it be ok to exclude them because some group finds them offensive? Absolutely not. Speech and free association are protected and should be protected. Your feelings about the speech and group are immaterial.

You know those queers are an evil bunch. They want to destroy things ... like families and marriage ... and stuff. Why ... people might just listen to them!

 

[Guest]

You know those queers are an evil bunch. They want to destroy things ... like families and marriage ... and stuff. Why ... people might just listen to them!

the horror.

 

[mstryninja]

You know those queers are an evil bunch. They want to destroy things ... like families and marriage ... and stuff. Why ... people might just listen to them!

You're not serious... right?

 

[Pookie]

i don't think they should have that right

You know there are groups that would love to shut down places like Literotica and limit your freedom of expression. Do you really want people to start deciding who should or shouldn't have this freedom?

 

[Pookie]

You're not serious... right?

It was sarcasm.

 

[mstryninja]

It was sarcasm.

Oh, thank god.

I thought the sky was falling there for a sec.

 

[Pookie]

Oh, thank god.

I thought the sky was falling there for a sec.

I'm one of those evil queers. A terrorist, I tell ya! *nods*

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Free speech for one is free speech for all. Period. Ban hate groups? Sounds good, but who gets to decide which groups are hate groups? The KKK is an easy choice, but what about the Black Panthers? The Nation of Islam? The 700 Club? Literotica?

Inciting to riot is against the law. So is criminal conspiracy. We have plenty of laws to protect us from dangerous people without asking the government to read our minds and hearts. So long as they break no laws, the Klan has the same rights you do. That's the American way.

rights only go so far

true story...i'll try to find the related news story

about 6 months ago (possibly more) a black family moved into a predominately white, middle class neighborhood in Garland Texas

immediately their house was repeatedly vandalized, the children terrified, threatening phone calls were made, a cross was burnt on their lawn, and the KKK was telling them to get out or it would get worse

that man worked hard to get his family into a higher economic status
as an american, he has that right, as well as the right to live where he wants and for his children to go to good schools

the KKK has the right to say they don't think he has that right, but they don't have the right to terrorize others

i would hope that my fellow americans would not want to live in a country where the KKK has the right to continue terrorizing non-white people because of freedom of speech

freedom of speech is one thing, but the KKK still violently acts upon their beliefs, and because they don't believe non-whites have rights and are subhuman

if a person commits a crime, by imposing on or violating another's rights, they lose their rights by going to jail or are ordered into rehab, away from their group, are heavily monitored, etc

the KKK managed to commit violent crimes and are still allowed to have their organization...which i think is where we are wrong in this country
if the organization has a violent history and supports and encourages criminal activity, then like the individual criminal, the organization should lose those rights unless they reform...just like prisoners...you stop committing and upholding crime, you get your rights back

that goes the same for the black panthers, and any anti-race or hate group, including religious ones

 

[Guest]

You know there are groups that would love to shut down places like Literotica and limit your freedom of expression. Do you really want people to start deciding who should or shouldn't have this freedom?

Noonly she wants that power

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I am curious, what if this was a gay/lesbian group that wanted to pick up trash and have their name on the sign? I am willing to bet some fundamentalist group would protest it based on their beliefs. Would it be ok to exclude them because some group finds them offensive? Absolutely not. Speech and free association are protected and should be protected. Your feelings about the speech and group are immaterial.

gays and lesbians aren't terrorizing and hurting others

 

[thegirlfriday11]

If I kill you and turn you into a rotting marionette will you forgive me like a good christian should?

only if you're not in the KKK

 

[Guest]

rights only go so far

true story...i'll try to find the related news story


"snip"

the KKK managed to commit violent crimes and are still allowed to have their organization...which i think is where we are wrong in this country
if the organization has a violent history and supports and encourages criminal activity, then like the individual criminal, the organization should lose those rights unless they reform...just like prisoners...you stop committing and upholding crime, you get your rights back

that goes the same for the black panthers, and any anti-race or hate group, including religious ones

Blah blah. has not point to the current topic. We all know the KKK does this shit. But they still have the right to adopt a highway.

 

[Guest]

gays and lesbians aren't terrorizing and hurting others

some people think they do.

 

[catfish]

Originally posted by Pookie
You know there are groups that would love to shut down places like Literotica and limit your freedom of expression. Do you really want people to start deciding who should or shouldn't have this freedom?

That is the whole problem.....I don't like other people deciding what I should or should not read, watch, or think.

 

[mstryninja]

only if you're not in the KKK

I'm not.


All the same I think I'll let you live, no strings attached

 

[catfish]

Originally posted by thegirlfriday11
gays and lesbians aren't terrorizing and hurting others

True, but there are people who believe they are "perverted" or "sick", and don't think they have the "right" to live as they choose. Your argument is the same as some fundamentalist ranting about homosexuality.

 

[Pookie]

gays and lesbians aren't terrorizing and hurting others

Tell that to the Religious Right and people like Senator Rick Santorium.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Blah blah. has not point to the current topic. We all know the KKK does this shit. But they still have the right to adopt a highway.

it certainly does

the KKK believes freedom of speech extends to violent crimes against others and i don't believe they should be allowed to continu having certain rights because they have violated others

if you kill someone, you go to prison, you lose your rights, the state and the nation do not uphold, nor allow your belief that you had the right to kill

but the KKK is still allowed to have rights which should long ago have been removed, just like we do to all other criminals

 

[Guest]

but the KKK is still allowed to have rights which should long ago have been removed, just like we do to all other criminals

a person is not a criminal unless they engage in a criminal act.

 

[Guest]

it certainly does

the KKK believes freedom of speech extends to violent crimes against others and i don't believe they should be allowed to continu having certain rights because they have violated others

if you kill someone, you go to prison, you lose your rights, the state and the nation do not uphold, nor allow your belief that you had the right to kill

but the KKK is still allowed to have rights which should long ago have been removed, just like we do to all other criminals

see you are blanketing the whole group. you can't do that. If one person goes and kill on the behalf of the kkk then HE LOSES HIS RIGHTS. The kkk does not.

Can you show me where they believe freedom of speech extends to violence.

 

[mstryninja]

Let's not forget that even criminals have freedom of speech.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

That is the whole problem.....I don't like other people deciding what I should or should not read, watch, or think.

there's a difference
you haven't commited an act which directly imposes on the physical well-being of another
you've not violated anothers' right by expressing your thoughts and beliefs
it would be wrong to limit your rights

but if you were to take your beliefs in your rights so far as to physically threaten or intimidate another, such that they are in fear of their life, then you should lose your rights

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I'm not.


All the same I think I'll let you live, no strings attached

well thanks

btw...you haven't said anything that i find upsetting

though i imagine i upset you if you're thinking about killing me