I am voting for Bush

[millieteases]

Others have refuted Angelic well, so I will refrain, up to a point.

Korea was fought by a coalition of troops- on both sides - something Bush decided he'd put up with, but thought was pretty much unnecessary.

Eisenhower - a Republican - sent the first "advisors" to Vietnam - not Kennedy. The war was against the French colonial occupation originally. Why we took it over from them...

If you think you have to have direct experience of something to understand and appreciate it, you aren't using the brain you were born with - and you're probably willing to employ willing ignorance often and frequently. Reality sucks sometimes, but ignoring it on purpose doesn't make it go away.

At least I know and acknowledge when I'm talking from that font of all wisdom, my ass.

Guess what - I'm voting for Kerry and I'm urging others to do the same. If you can't vote for him and have any doubts about Bush - which most people who choose to think for themselves probably do (you don't think for yourself if you listen and believe people like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, Boortz, Moore, Franken, etc. instead of questioning and verifying everything these entertainers - not journalists, entertainers, have to say) then just don't vote - or, if you must vote, give your vote to Nader or one of the other third party candidates (there are a bunch most of the time - sometimes they even get on the ballot.)

That's it. Watch the debates. Think. Act. Save the country from the right wingers who would rob you of your freedom because you "don't look like them."

I'm done. Be good to yourselves - especially you, Angelic. You need it.

 

[scooterbum]

economy

Quote:

First, he's someone different - I dislike Bush so much that I'd vote for that mythical yellow dog before I'd vote for him.

Second, Democrats tend to be better for the economy. They don't always act on it, but they know how to add, subtract, divide and multiply. Bottom line, they know that if you spend money you don't have it causes problems in the long run. Clinton was a pig, but at least he got us to a balanced budget












As for the economy revisit the
carter years... 19 percent interest on home mortgage and 2.50 a gal gas in the seventies...

As for being different.. Kerry is really different in the sense that he has advocated for an enemy while the United States was at a state of war.

And his propoganda was used to tourture US POW's in Vietnam.

 

[WriterDom]

That's it. Watch the debates. Think. Act. Save the country from the right wingers who would rob you of your freedom because you "don't look like them."

Bush is a right winger? Bush is a moderate. Kerry however, is a left winger, and it will be a disaster if he finds a way to steal the election.

 

[Netzach]

...if he finds a way to steal the election.

LOL, like maybe 1000 discounted felon votes by people later found to have no felony record?

Nah.

 

[Pure]

Scooter bubba said,

As for being different.. Kerry is really different in the sense that he has advocated for an enemy while the United States was at a state of war.

And while he was in inactive reserves, too. Yet despite this, there was no civil or military prosecution of him or other vets.
Big mystery, eh? Maybe you can help the other legal eagle, Angelic, figure out why the military didn't punish these alleged disloyal and perhaps treasonable activities.

Bubba, criticizing the conduct of a war, even calling for 'bring the boys home' is not 'advocating for the enemy.'

Your charge is toned down from Angelic's treason and betrayal charges, but equally drivel.

And his propoganda was used to tourture US POW's in Vietnam.

Any evidence of this?

How exactly is a piece of anti war "propoganda" used in torture?
Do you roll up the paper sheets of antiwar screeds and shove them into the rectum?

By the way, you forgot to add:

Ate Jane Fonda's pussy every morning after reading the communist manifisto, and bowing three times in front of a poster of Ho Chi Minh.

Did you ever read a book, bubba? (Besides Rush).

 

[uptoplay2]

Wow! They call Kerry left.. and then claim moderate status?

Bush is a right winger? Bush is a moderate. Kerry however, is a left winger, and it will be a disaster if he finds a way to steal the election.

HOLY SHIT!
This president is bar none the most right wing we've ever had. He's overturned environmental ideas from the seventies that others left untouched with his vast majority "support".
He's building missile systems paid for by pure air ... that oddly enough will only hit air if they are ever needed. Seems he totaly forgot we have thousands of missiles and other nukes to keep anyone with a brain from telegraphing their need to be incinerated. I guess all that was wasted money as well.

Take a look at our foreign diplomacy driven by the Right to Life matra.

Enough propaganda. Let's all look at the facts. I know this administration at one point claimed it would use propaganda, but I thought they meant to use it against our enemies.

Funny OPEC isn't trying to strangle us with an oil man in power. Carter didn't have that luxury.

Let's not forget he even wants to conserve our marriages by not allowing others to pursue the same happiness. Gee, someone should write something about the pursuit of happiness being a human right.

Moderate. Give us all a break! It's all lip service. I had enough of Reading his Father's Lips. Remember this one? No nation building!!! That was one of W's major claims in his first election based on Clinton's efforts in Bosnia.

 

[Pure]

//Kerry however, is a left winger//

Millionaires married to multimillionaire heiresses, and who keep five mansions for living are often on the extreme left.

I guess Clinton on your scheme was radical left somewhere near Lenin.

//Bush is a right winger? Bush is a moderate.//

Can you give some of his moderate views? Let me see: He only wants abortion doctors jailed, not executed.

He stops short of calling for accessory-to-murder charges for mothers who abort.

He believes the sale of condoms should be legal, provided proof of age (>21) and married status is presented to the pharmacist.

He greatly objects to hanging gays from the lampposts in downtown Dallas and Washington DC.

He believes the federal government should not massively sell off the nation's highways to private business.

He does not believe adultery is a hanging offense, and would be content with ten years in prison, as a sentence.

He doesn't think anyone should by arrested by the FBI and jailed without a providing a reason; the President must personally order such arrest and approve an indefinite detention.

 

[uptoplay2]

Shoot proved wrong by the facts. Bush is a moderate

Thanks for setting the record straight, Pure. Bush as bad as he could be.

It could be worse, it could be raining.

I'm sure even if those global warming nuts are right we'll all get by just fine with an added 0.5 to the ave. yearly hurricane strength and 20% rain. You are all ok. Right?? You better rebuild stronger just in case.

Russia has seen the light on global warming. I guess Kioto is alive in some sense.

Sure we might NOT be the cause of global warming.. but what if it is us? Explain with some real science to me how we aren't seeing signs of trouble already.

To me it is simple economics.... getting off oil is good for trade AND will create jobs hopefully in this country if we don't sell out to corporate lobbying.

Someone seems to understand how valuable all that oil in Iraq is worth...... say maybe 5,000 American soldiers...... and what.... another 15,000 Iraqi lives. What the hell is the innocent death rate at this point? I know we aren't counting. It has sure gone over our loss on 9/11..... Sure a beheading is ugly. Good thing we don't have to see the innocent blood we are responsible for shedding.

But hey, I know. Saddam was bad (made contracts with OLD Europe instead of America) Sure he killed lots of people .... but oil wasn't as important when we had other secure oil sources. God help us when the Saudi's lose control of their monarchy and we are left with the radicals instead of moderates who probably want change as well.

 

[dirtywhiteboy]

Kerry schooled Bush in the debate....even Bush's advisors know it.

Kerry is not only MUCH more intelligent but his core values are MUCH more moral than Bush.....especailly regarding the lives of our soldiers or the needs of our citizens. In addition, he does his homework before before making a decision. Unlike Bush who lets everyone else do the homework and then he just goes with whoever can persuade him or has the most influence.....such as Rumsfield.

Bush is a puppet. Kerry thinks for himself.


Just my opinion of course.....

 

[Pure]

Dwb,
I think you're on track, but the problem is that Kerry often trims his sail--or at least his talk-- to political winds.

For example, his plan to persevere and 'win' in Iraq, with lots of allies back on side, is pie in the sky, hokum. He will not say, "We're losing; let's withdraw," for fear of being labelled 'Cut and Run'. Hence his *stated* Iraq plan is as bellicose and (falsely) optimistic as Bush's.

 

[Lusty Lil Vixen]

Before I go ahead and post anything let me first completely be up front and say I' know jack shit about politics, which I am ashamed to say. I'm 23 years old and in the past had never had a reason to give a rat's rear about what was going on in the country or around the world so I'll admit I'm naive..rather I was naive and perhaps my vote is a bit misjudged seeing how I don't know much.

But from what little I have paid attention to I have to vote for Bush. Yes, it's true he hasn't been the greatest of presidents and the US isn't better for his four years in office thus far but I can't say he did a completely horrible job either. He's human, even as a president he'll screw up because everyone screws up from time to time. We're only made aware of it because he is our leader.

I think my major reason for deciding to stick with Bush is this. My husband is in the Army. I've been raised in the military surroundings all my life. And when I hear the vast majority of the military personnel that I know talk so much shit about Kerry I can't help but wonder what's going on. I'm more likely to vote for someone who's going to advance the military and want to support it rather than vote against so many military advancements that have been brought up in the past.

Again, I don't know much..but I believe Kerry to be a wishy washy person. He doesn't seem to stick to his decisions or sways with what's going on.

So there..my unintelligent 2 cents. Hopefully I wont' get slammed to hard for it <smirks>

 

[Netzach]

If no one in politics every "waffled" you and I would not be able to vote in this election.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Korea was fought by a coalition of troops- on both sides -

True ... to a point. Read why in the following red links. Click me and me.

For those wishing the Cliff Notes version ...

• "General MacArthur committed U.S. air and naval forces within hours of the attack ... June 25 1950, was abruptly shattered by artillery, mortar and automatic weapons fire as North Korean forces attacked without warning."
• "Two days later, acting on a request from the United States, the United Nations Security Council called on the countries of the world to unite and assist in driving the invader from the ROK."
• "The first ground troops to enter battle on the side of the ROK were advance elements of the U.S. 21st Infantry Regiment, 24th Infantry Division ... airlifted from occupation duties in Japan to form 'Task Force Smith' ... committed on July 5th ..."
• "Following passage of the UN resolution, on July 24, in Tokyo, General MacArthur established General Headquarters, United Nations Command." The British joined ROK and US forces two months after the initial invasion by North Korea
• "On August 29, 1950, the British Commonwealth's 27th Brigade arrived at Pusan."
• "Troop units from other countries of the UN followed in rapid succession; Australia, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the Philippines, Thailand and Turkey ... The Union of South Africa ... Denmark, India, Norway, and Sweden ... (and) Italy."
• "Major People's Volunteer Army (Chinese) forces did not enter Korea until the night of Oct. 16 1950."

Look up Task Force Smith and the events leading to and including the battle of the Pusan Perimeter to find out how close the delay in passing of the UN resolution and subsequent joining nations came to being a moot point.

Originally posted by millieteases
Eisenhower - a Republican - sent the first "advisors" to Vietnam - not Kennedy.

If you mean advisors in the sense indicated here, i'll agree. Click here, for the actual timeline. Direct support troops don't arrive until 11 Dec 61, and "CinCPac authorizes all MAAG advisors to accompany their Vietnamese units into combat," 20 Jan 62.

Full scale combat operations follow the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. Look for it here.

You can find the mindset of the administration of the time here, and the text of the resolution here.

A Democrat holds the presidency. Democrats control the House of Representatives 295/40. Democrats control the Senate 68/32. The House votes 414 to 0 in support with one vote of present ... Adam Clayton Powell of New York ... on the grounds that he was a pacifist. The Senate votes 98-2 in support with Wayne Morse (D-OR) and Ernest Gruening(D-AK) casting the dissenting votes.

One last interesting factoid ... Click me.

i can't vote for Kerry regardless of my approval for some portions of his agenda. Had he resigned his commission prior to his activities with the VVAW, i could have excused those activities as those of a Private Fucking Civilian in good conscience. i can't, in good conscience, vote for Bush because of his direct opposition to the Kerry policies i approve.

However ... i can vote for well trimmed bush between the legs of a lovely woman ... http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/363868/2cool2.gif

i wish you all the best of luck in your decision as well.

 

[dirtywhiteboy]

Dwb,
I think you're on track, but the problem is that Kerry often trims his sail--or at least his talk-- to political winds.

That it is called politics and why he is a good politician. You HAVE ti trim your talk to the political winds. They ALL do that.

The difference is Kerry is brighter and knows the issues 10 times better. I trust competence WAY more than arrogance.

 

[WriterDom]

That it is called politics and why he is a good politician. You HAVE ti trim your talk to the political winds. They ALL do that.

The difference is Kerry is brighter and knows the issues 10 times better. I trust competence WAY more than arrogance.

Kerry has done nothing but suck on the government tit his whole life and has nothing to show for it. The only inconsistency in his record I've seen is why he would volunteer for swift boat duty. And the fact is that the mission of the swift boats changed after he volunteered for them. He divorced a millionaire to marry a billionaire.

He is left of Ted Kennedy. Who should be in jail for murder. I'm not a big fan of George Bush but at least he has lead us out of the Clinton/Gore recession and 9/11. So what is Kerry's plan? He says it is the wrong war and the wrong time in the wrong place but vows to win? What a pussy. If he thinks it is the wrong war he should pull out in January. If you think there will ever be French or German boots in Iraq than you should vote for Kerry. You deserve him.

 

[uptoplay2]

Germans and French

If you think there will ever be French or German boots in Iraq than you should vote for Kerry. You deserve him.

Don't forget the Russians..... oh they are a bit too busy getting back to cold war status. It will be nice to have our old enemies back instead of terrorists that we just can't seem to find.

If Bush had played all his cards right, the French and the Germans would have done all the inspecting and our men wouldn't be dying. Go back and check they were ready to put "boots on the ground." Sadam would have been more contained and eventually removed quietly perhaps even democratically.

Bush was handed the BIGGEST STICK in the world, some expected him to speak quietly. Bush just can't manage to keep his mouth shut and use something called diplomacy which Republicans don't seem to believe in anymore. In fact he wants an even bigger stick. We still haven't paid off the nukes that Reagan gave us to win the cold war and Bush wants to push everyone back into a race.

Ahhhhhh but if we had waited for diplomacy and our OLD ALLIES but then we wouldn't control all the oil! (Granted the French have sucked as allies, but they didn't want us to take control either...)

You want other countries involved now? Let them have some of their contracts back and some of the rebuilding and maybe they would be as big hearted as we are. You say no? Then admit this in NOT about all the issues that have been raised and dismissed. The plan for Iraq existed before Bush was even in office. It was handed to the Israelies first!
http://www.bigeye.com/fc090604.htm

Can we leave just now? What an idiotic question!! If Bush stays in office, we will leave when the eventual civil war gets too bloody for us to tolerate.

 

[Pure]

WD
//So what is Kerry's plan? He says it is the wrong war and the wrong time in the wrong place but vows to win? What a pussy. If he thinks it is the wrong war he should pull out in January. //

True. But I'd say _start_ in Jan with maybe 1/4, and in a phased manner, take the rest out over the one year, 2005, no stalling, conditions, etc.

Unfortunately the Republican propaganda machine, since McCarthy's time, has talked of 'losing' countries to the commies (now the Islamists). Bush has his 'cut and run' label ready to stick on Kerry's butt.

So Dems have to be (or talk) super macho on any war. One arrives at the odd conclusion: Only Repubs can end a war; that is because they won't be called traitors. Hence Nixon ended the Vietnam war. Johnson or any of those dems could not.

 

[Arioso]

Voting Kerry for numerous reasons other than the war, including the fact that Bush has steadily eroded the separation of church and state (which I consider to be an essential guarantee of tolerance for all faiths, having taught the English Civil War and wars of reformation far too many times), has come out in support of a Marriage Amendment that serves no useful purpose other than to discriminate against people whose sexuality does not fit the model of the upright fundamentalist Christian's, and his adamant support for a global gag rule against family planning clinics has been detrimental to the health of women in some of the poorest countries of the world.

But all of this tends to get overshadowed by the war...

Arioso

 

[Netzach]

Let's have some governmental program accountability time.

We're always talking about the misuse of tax payer dollars and the left with its overly magnanimous governmental double D's.

I would like to see some hard and unbiased data showing the improvements in the world that can be credited to "abstinence only" programs.

*waiting*

 

[Arioso]

I would like to see some hard and unbiased data showing the improvements in the world that can be credited to "abstinence only" programs.

*waiting*

Errr...the sales of laundry detergent have gone up due to increased washing of sheets soiled after nocturnal emissions brought on by abstinence?

*crickets chirping*

As for government DDs, all harping on the stereotype of democrats as "tax and spend" misses the point that the federal government just spends money, regardless of which party is in control. Democrats just spend it on domestic programs, republicans on the military. What alarms even many of the republicans I know today is that the Bush administration has been spending without taxing (spend and spend?) -- building up a huge deficit in order to fund a war for which there is no clear end (or clear limit to expenditures) in sight. And I'm not talking lukewarm republicans -- I'm talking a republican friend who's an economist for the Joint Committee on Economic Development. He's worried about the lack of fiscal responsibility in slashing taxes while increasing military spending...and although I'm as liberal as they come, it's one matter on which he and I agree.

 

[dirtywhiteboy]

Kerry has done nothing but suck on the government tit his whole life and has nothing to show for it. The only inconsistency in his record I've seen is why he would volunteer for swift boat duty. And the fact is that the mission of the swift boats changed after he volunteered for them. He divorced a millionaire to marry a billionaire.

He is left of Ted Kennedy. Who should be in jail for murder. I'm not a big fan of George Bush but at least he has lead us out of the Clinton/Gore recession and 9/11. So what is Kerry's plan? He says it is the wrong war and the wrong time in the wrong place but vows to win? What a pussy. If he thinks it is the wrong war he should pull out in January. If you think there will ever be French or German boots in Iraq than you should vote for Kerry. You deserve him.

I'm sorry but your post has only negative comments and no substance to back it up....typical Republican......

 

[scooterbum]

Scooter bubba said,

As for being different.. Kerry is really different in the sense that he has advocated for an enemy while the United States was at a state of war.

And while he was in inactive reserves, too. Yet despite this, there was no civil or military prosecution of him or other vets.
Big mystery, eh? Maybe you can help the other legal eagle, Angelic, figure out why the military didn't punish these alleged disloyal and perhaps treasonable activities.

Bubba, criticizing the conduct of a war, even calling for 'bring the boys home' is not 'advocating for the enemy.'

Your charge is toned down from Angelic's treason and betrayal charges, but equally drivel.

And his propoganda was used to tourture US POW's in Vietnam.

Any evidence of this?

How exactly is a piece of anti war "propoganda" used in torture?
Do you roll up the paper sheets of antiwar screeds and shove them into the rectum?

By the way, you forgot to add:

Ate Jane Fonda's pussy every morning after reading the communist manifisto, and bowing three times in front of a poster of Ho Chi Minh.

Did you ever read a book, bubba? (Besides Rush).

Actually, some of the best prose I have read has been written a hundered years ago.

I realy can't imagine why you are so irked by words on a page..(or on a screen)... interesting

 

[Pure]

perhaps because the words are ignorant, 'ditto head' material.

but you're right, generally I leave right wing raving alone, except when I can't resist kicking a butt.

btw, during Vietnam, I also sucked Jane Fonda's pussy.

 

[scooterbum]

rules

perhaps because the words are ignorant, 'ditto head' material.

but you're right, generally I leave right wing raving alone, except when I can't resist kicking a butt.

btw, during Vietnam, I also sucked Jane Fonda's pussy.

Ahhh! Very sorry...I really didn't understand...Now as I get it you can insult and call names and that is comment but if anyone else voices an opinion that is "ignorant raving".

Now that I understand the rules I can participate more fully...btw if you had relations with Jane Fonda say in 1967 and giving you the ripe old age of 18......that would make you....hmmmmm..somthing like 54.

Respectfully, you don't write like someone who is 54...More like someone who is 24. God I would like to be 24!!! alas I really don't think I would spend as much time in internet discussion boards as you seem to

 

[scooterbum]

me too

Yeah, I never really have been understood...smiles

I'll be voting for Bush.