scooterbum
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me too
spankableBelle said:
I am voting for Bush
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Netzach
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my favorite propaganda, who knows maybe it might change a mind.
http://www.takebackthemedia.org
have fun kids. I especially like the flash animation art.
http://www.takebackthemedia.org
have fun kids. I especially like the flash animation art.
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I would think that most here wouldn't want a president who dictates how to live their lives...I think our friend dubya would rather be a fascist dictator than a leader in a democracy. He is quoted as saying, "It would be easier if this was a dictatorship, as long as I was the dictator..."
Well, personally I am a libertarian but they only run kooks.
Well, personally I am a libertarian but they only run kooks.
Netzach
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www.factcheck.org I think it was?
Then the Annendale foundation said, please don't link to us, Mr. Cheney, more or less. LOL
Then the Annendale foundation said, please don't link to us, Mr. Cheney, more or less. LOL
Raeth
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Netzach said:
Another little thing that pisses me off lately.... the site made me think of it. Might not be anything major, but it's annoying nevertheless.
My wife is working 18 hour days much of the time. She's not going to get her two weeks of R&R leave for the whole time she is in Iraq. About the only time she isn't required to wear full kevlar and flak vest is when she is going to sleep, and some don't even have that luxury.
Yet how many vacations has Bush taken to Crawford, TX? Of course, I forgot, being President is "really hard work". Another Army spouse in one of my classes couldn't believe he had the nerve to say that... her husband just got back from Iraq less than a month ago, gone for well over a year, now he has orders to deploy again in a less than two months.
Cheer Up People!
The Dems will win the popular vote again.... and the Republicans will win the electoral college.
We can all be winners.
Somewhere some major screw up will point out that the whole system needs to be overhauled.
Enough stinking polls. Enough sound bites.
Enough of the West not mattering on election day due to the spin of the planet or the whole stupid system of knocking off candidates early on by primaries.
What a way to pick the leader of the Greatest Nation on the Earth!
The Dems will win the popular vote again.... and the Republicans will win the electoral college.
We can all be winners.
Somewhere some major screw up will point out that the whole system needs to be overhauled.
Enough stinking polls. Enough sound bites.
Enough of the West not mattering on election day due to the spin of the planet or the whole stupid system of knocking off candidates early on by primaries.
What a way to pick the leader of the Greatest Nation on the Earth!
dirtywhiteboy
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WriterDom said:
You freakin wish......
Kerry gets 52% and narrowly wins the electoral college vote
Bush gets 46% and a kick in the ass.....
The ONLY reason it is even this close is because American presidential elections are so heavily biased toward Republicans because so many people are "prevented" from voting. If it were truly free elections Democrats would win EVERY election.
ShyGuy68
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I couldn't help but post this link
www.tellhim.no
It might be a bit slow in loading.
And this:
Shoot the Moon
A livejournal entry, by a USAF nurse (she posts here on Lit as well) on a US hospital in Germany. There is a link to pictures of some of the results of Bush's campaign in Iraq. **Warning, very explicit pictures***
www.tellhim.no
It might be a bit slow in loading.
And this:
Shoot the Moon
A livejournal entry, by a USAF nurse (she posts here on Lit as well) on a US hospital in Germany. There is a link to pictures of some of the results of Bush's campaign in Iraq. **Warning, very explicit pictures***
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Go take a look at GeorgeBush.com
Please tell me where they say they are going to get the ports protected? I do see the 10 billion more for the big spit wad shooter.... Wonder who really wants 1000 nukes fired back after we miss their one or two with our 50 billion dollar joke! (wonder why Daddy Bush's Carlyle group is about to buy up the Brit's missile defense company!!)
I was scared......... now I'm really getting paranoid. How pissed off do we have to get the world and NOT remove the real material for MD.... before someone ships a WMD.
Go rent Clear and Present Danger. (Clancy nailed the missile like airliner.... guess what is next!) You don't think these folks read? Sure.... they are going to come take over one of our schools. Sure.... THAT'S a good reponse to our War on Islam.... oops Terrorism...... ooops War for Corporate Interests.
Hell, yes, Wrong War... Wrong time...... Yes all those people are free now...... and OUR responsibility! No way we can leave now.
How many Republicans voted AGAINST the war before they voted FOR the war? Let's see those numbers. Funded by our generation....... or our kids. I like Kerry's vote. To heck with the party that can't tell a truth to save themselves from eternal damnation. (and the media for allowing this naked emperor roaming around our nation)
Come on Bushies........ Let's hear ya?
You can pat down my back for receivers! Hell, you can bring some wood! We'll have a weenie roast as we seriously chat!
Please tell me where they say they are going to get the ports protected? I do see the 10 billion more for the big spit wad shooter.... Wonder who really wants 1000 nukes fired back after we miss their one or two with our 50 billion dollar joke! (wonder why Daddy Bush's Carlyle group is about to buy up the Brit's missile defense company!!)
I was scared......... now I'm really getting paranoid. How pissed off do we have to get the world and NOT remove the real material for MD.... before someone ships a WMD.
Go rent Clear and Present Danger. (Clancy nailed the missile like airliner.... guess what is next!) You don't think these folks read? Sure.... they are going to come take over one of our schools. Sure.... THAT'S a good reponse to our War on Islam.... oops Terrorism...... ooops War for Corporate Interests.
Hell, yes, Wrong War... Wrong time...... Yes all those people are free now...... and OUR responsibility! No way we can leave now.
How many Republicans voted AGAINST the war before they voted FOR the war? Let's see those numbers. Funded by our generation....... or our kids. I like Kerry's vote. To heck with the party that can't tell a truth to save themselves from eternal damnation. (and the media for allowing this naked emperor roaming around our nation)
Come on Bushies........ Let's hear ya?
You can pat down my back for receivers! Hell, you can bring some wood! We'll have a weenie roast as we seriously chat!
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ghosst_K&H
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Heres just one of MANY reasons i'd never vote for Kerry...
http://www.atr.org/pressreleases/2004/pr-kerrystaxes-9-7-04.htm
for the record let me state i'm not a fan of Bush, nor do I consider myself a republican, but frankly leftists and in this case extreme leftists scare the shit out of me, and i see the Democratic party going farther and farther left under people like Kerry, Kennedy, and Clinton.
i could go on and on about Kerry's voting record in the senate, but theres no point here, people who hate Bush, or are Dems, will vote for Kerry regardless of his voting record, same with the anyone but Bush crowd.
as for this election...Dems and Libs may as well start the campaing for Hillary in 2008 now, because Kerry wont win this election.
http://www.atr.org/pressreleases/2004/pr-kerrystaxes-9-7-04.htm
for the record let me state i'm not a fan of Bush, nor do I consider myself a republican, but frankly leftists and in this case extreme leftists scare the shit out of me, and i see the Democratic party going farther and farther left under people like Kerry, Kennedy, and Clinton.
i could go on and on about Kerry's voting record in the senate, but theres no point here, people who hate Bush, or are Dems, will vote for Kerry regardless of his voting record, same with the anyone but Bush crowd.
as for this election...Dems and Libs may as well start the campaing for Hillary in 2008 now, because Kerry wont win this election.
Great Reason for not voting for Kerry
His taxes?? So.... we should allow all the super rich to get off so light? Hell, get a house, have some money to invest in non-taxable bonds and you too will cut your taxes. KERRY is going to raise his own taxes.
We are over 7 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT.
Go look up who first called this tax scheme VOODOO ECONOMICS.
Go look at Cheney's quotes on why Bush Sr. was correct NOT to push on to Baghdad. ... He mentions the word quagmire. Flip flop?? Ahhh and compare Cheney's voting record to Kerry's on military systems. The truth is out there. It certainly doesn't come for the Bush camp.
I still find it amazing that Perle and Firth's early paper hasn't been posted on newspapers nationwide. Not gunning for Iraq?? Heck, they had the plan in 1996 or so!!
We agreed to pay (not all paid out yet....) 200 billion for this war, and the Senate wasn't even willing to consider Biden's bill (the one Kerry DID vote for) to roll back the top tax brackets to their 90's level TO PAY FOR THE WAR.
That was his "VOTE FOR THE WAR, before he voted against it." No one was worried that the bill wouldn't pass. 87 - 12. If it hadn't maybe we wouldn't be praying that the Iraqi oil will pay for keeping them from killing one another. Would YOUR senator have voted for the War if he personally would have to pay?? (Oh... and well before this bill BUSH sent the soldiers to Iraq WITHOUT equipment!!!)
This administration is the simply the worst. Don't be too upset if you are entirely wrong about the election. We need to keep our eye on the ball. Apparently Rice and others have time to waste keeping their eye on the election.
His taxes?? So.... we should allow all the super rich to get off so light? Hell, get a house, have some money to invest in non-taxable bonds and you too will cut your taxes. KERRY is going to raise his own taxes.
We are over 7 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT.
Go look up who first called this tax scheme VOODOO ECONOMICS.
Go look at Cheney's quotes on why Bush Sr. was correct NOT to push on to Baghdad. ... He mentions the word quagmire. Flip flop?? Ahhh and compare Cheney's voting record to Kerry's on military systems. The truth is out there. It certainly doesn't come for the Bush camp.
I still find it amazing that Perle and Firth's early paper hasn't been posted on newspapers nationwide. Not gunning for Iraq?? Heck, they had the plan in 1996 or so!!
We agreed to pay (not all paid out yet....) 200 billion for this war, and the Senate wasn't even willing to consider Biden's bill (the one Kerry DID vote for) to roll back the top tax brackets to their 90's level TO PAY FOR THE WAR.
That was his "VOTE FOR THE WAR, before he voted against it." No one was worried that the bill wouldn't pass. 87 - 12. If it hadn't maybe we wouldn't be praying that the Iraqi oil will pay for keeping them from killing one another. Would YOUR senator have voted for the War if he personally would have to pay?? (Oh... and well before this bill BUSH sent the soldiers to Iraq WITHOUT equipment!!!)
This administration is the simply the worst. Don't be too upset if you are entirely wrong about the election. We need to keep our eye on the ball. Apparently Rice and others have time to waste keeping their eye on the election.
ghosst_K&H
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Re: Great Reason for not voting for Kerry
Kerry isn't raising his taxes, lets not even go there. As for the rest, what part of me saying i'm not a fan of Dubya didn't come clear?
For the record, i greatly dislike Cheney, am not a fan of Dubya, welcome the tax break i did recieve, don't think our economy is in bad shape, but in fact is on the rise, i hate big business, and international coperations that send American jobs overseas.
As for Kerry, i'm against ANYONE who votes AGAINST every military spending bill that gives our troops the best airplanes, tanks, training, and supplies to use against our enemies.
Also for the record, i really dont care what the French, German, China, Spanish, hell the whole U.N. think of the U.S., we as a country have done more for second and third world countries than ANYONE in HISTORY.
If you're really worried about the 7 TRILLION dollars, than as a Dem, you have my blessing to write the I.R.S. a check, say for 20% of your yearly gross income, and if all the Dems do this, that will pay of the deficit, and i can keep my tax break.
If you're really worried about the debt, write your senators, and congressmen, and tell them to start collecting on all the debts other nations owe us, the Latin American debt is almost enough alone to pay off our deficit.
uptoplay2 said:
Kerry isn't raising his taxes, lets not even go there. As for the rest, what part of me saying i'm not a fan of Dubya didn't come clear?
For the record, i greatly dislike Cheney, am not a fan of Dubya, welcome the tax break i did recieve, don't think our economy is in bad shape, but in fact is on the rise, i hate big business, and international coperations that send American jobs overseas.
As for Kerry, i'm against ANYONE who votes AGAINST every military spending bill that gives our troops the best airplanes, tanks, training, and supplies to use against our enemies.
Also for the record, i really dont care what the French, German, China, Spanish, hell the whole U.N. think of the U.S., we as a country have done more for second and third world countries than ANYONE in HISTORY.
If you're really worried about the 7 TRILLION dollars, than as a Dem, you have my blessing to write the I.R.S. a check, say for 20% of your yearly gross income, and if all the Dems do this, that will pay of the deficit, and i can keep my tax break.
If you're really worried about the debt, write your senators, and congressmen, and tell them to start collecting on all the debts other nations owe us, the Latin American debt is almost enough alone to pay off our deficit.
I'm putting a good 5% extra into my kids school
So paying off the rest of what the government is doing... sorry. They just have to stop spending. The missile defense shield can be first to go. I'm a bit more concerned with the immediate effect of what they are NOT providing my kids.... This is more of a state issue in this case.
I think you'd find we've fallen way off the mark in helping the 3rd world lately... unless you include Israel.
As for Kerry's defense record. Give me a REAL link. Not a Bush sponsored one. If Cheney voted against some of these then perhaps they really were just pork. Kerry sure as hell wasn't against arming our soldiers in Iraq..... but paying for it now..... and making sure it was well spent. Would you expect him to FLIP FLOP and suddenly vote against the very idea Biden's ammendment proposed?
Not roleback the taxes on the rich? His whole economic plan is based on that. Whether we have to pay more... remains to be seen. I know that any benefits we have seen have been eaten up by the rise in college expenses alone that we will have to cover......
I'll look into our debtors..... just remember the rest of the world owns OUR DEBT.... and that part of your taxes just goes to the interest year in year out.
Go to Kerry's site....... read his plans... then go look at Bush's. Lots of "new" ideas. Wonder what he's been up to the last 4 years. One hell of a lot of vacation for one!
So paying off the rest of what the government is doing... sorry. They just have to stop spending. The missile defense shield can be first to go. I'm a bit more concerned with the immediate effect of what they are NOT providing my kids.... This is more of a state issue in this case.
I think you'd find we've fallen way off the mark in helping the 3rd world lately... unless you include Israel.
As for Kerry's defense record. Give me a REAL link. Not a Bush sponsored one. If Cheney voted against some of these then perhaps they really were just pork. Kerry sure as hell wasn't against arming our soldiers in Iraq..... but paying for it now..... and making sure it was well spent. Would you expect him to FLIP FLOP and suddenly vote against the very idea Biden's ammendment proposed?
Not roleback the taxes on the rich? His whole economic plan is based on that. Whether we have to pay more... remains to be seen. I know that any benefits we have seen have been eaten up by the rise in college expenses alone that we will have to cover......
I'll look into our debtors..... just remember the rest of the world owns OUR DEBT.... and that part of your taxes just goes to the interest year in year out.
Go to Kerry's site....... read his plans... then go look at Bush's. Lots of "new" ideas. Wonder what he's been up to the last 4 years. One hell of a lot of vacation for one!
ghosst_K&H
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lets face facts here, anything you say about your guy isn't going to change my mind, and vice versa.
i've been to Kerry's site, and frankly don't believe any of his "plans" just as you believe Dubya is the worst president ever. not to mention Kerry's TWENTY YEARS worth the vacation, and lack of leadership in the senate.
i can read Bush's spin on things, and Kerry's spin on things, and neither one is telling us the real truth, and thats why this nation is divided down the middle.
i've been to Kerry's site, and frankly don't believe any of his "plans" just as you believe Dubya is the worst president ever. not to mention Kerry's TWENTY YEARS worth the vacation, and lack of leadership in the senate.
i can read Bush's spin on things, and Kerry's spin on things, and neither one is telling us the real truth, and thats why this nation is divided down the middle.
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Kajira Callista
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I've decided to vote for Mickey Mouse 
just seems to make sense to me.
just seems to make sense to me.
AngelicAssassin
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Gotta vote for Xelebes although he might have small constitutional problems concerning age and country of birth.Kajira Callista said:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/363868/BouncingMickey.gif can run on the ticket as VP, however.
JoseIsWild
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
As a strong Republican, I proudly announce that I will be voting for Kerry this year. Yes, I vote for the person--not the party.
While I like Bush as a person, I know we need a speedier and better handling of the Iraqi situation and most importantly, I WANT MY JOB BACK!!! I have been downsized enough since Bush has been in office.
As a strong Republican, I proudly announce that I will be voting for Kerry this year. Yes, I vote for the person--not the party.
While I like Bush as a person, I know we need a speedier and better handling of the Iraqi situation and most importantly, I WANT MY JOB BACK!!! I have been downsized enough since Bush has been in office.
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Conservative?
First..let me say that I dont WANT to vote for EITHER of them...Heads or tails..It's still a fuckin quarter...
*sigh*
A bit of qualification here ... My father was career military.. Army in this case..*grin* With three years of Navy thrown in just to confuse the bean counters.
I had my own military career lined up and in the groove ..right up till the car wreck..*shrug* Such is life...
With the above I have been accused of "glamorizing" and "romantisizing" the military...
Nope...
We were at Ft. Riley Kansas from winter of '69 to '75..My father was NCOIC of Ward 4B in Erwin Army Hospitol..
Which means that as a kid ...I got to see some of the fellows that came back from 'Nam...
But..Ward 4B (at that time at least) was the psyche ward.
Get the picture?
My only thought on the whole matter of Bush/Kerry military behaviour..
When you join the military it is made fairly clear (or at least it used to be), that you are giving up certain things for your term of service. One being the ability to shoot off your mouth in whatever way you please.
It is also made very clear to you..That you are subject to the UCMJ.
How this morally applies to a draftee... *sigh* that is perhaps a question better left to philosophers.
But..Kerry was in a different situation.
Should Kerry have been prosecuted for his actions..Yup.
Should the Clinton impeachment have been followed through with.....Indeed. Which, misdirection aside, had nothing to do with getting his dork snorkled.
Is "W" an idiot ..*sigh* it appears so.
Have both Bush, and Kerry, been allowed to get away with things that "normal" people wouldn't be.
Pretty much.
Is either cantidate morally fit to serve ....No.
When I started voting ..I was a Republican.. The reasons probably neither matter..nor would be very comprehensable now.
In spite of what a lot of people (especially assorted talking heads on the tube) would like you to believe. It really was a VERY different world then.
Since that time I have been the victim of an overwhelming interest in history.
Does this change my political leanings?
Yup..
Does it make me a Democrat?
Nope..
The best way I have found to say it..Is the way I said it to someone the other day. "I used to be a Republican..Now I'm a conservative."
I didn't leave the party..the party left me..
Just as the Democrats have left most of their constituents..
*grin* An example...
A true conservative..Believes that Religon has no place influencing the politics of the country..
Example..
Marriage, as an institution...Is a religious ceremony. No more- no less. The "state" has no business with it..Other than a certain amount of paperwork for the purposes of recordkeeping. Same being necessary for tax rolls, census, inheritance, legal matters involving the court, etc..
Who you can or cannot marry.. Is often regulated by your religious convictions (whatever they may be). And this changes from person to person depending on their faith.
Sounds a bit Libertarian doesn't it..
Nope.
The Libertarian party is "in my opinion", a symptom of a political body that is in gravely ill.
What it does sound like ..Is a lot closer to what the guys who framed the constitution were shooting for.
A lot of them had experience of some sort with the church/state -state church, problems. And most of which were a LOT less "Christian" than the revisionist moralists would like to have you believe.
Pretty simple actually..
First..let me say that I dont WANT to vote for EITHER of them...Heads or tails..It's still a fuckin quarter...
*sigh*
A bit of qualification here ... My father was career military.. Army in this case..*grin* With three years of Navy thrown in just to confuse the bean counters.
I had my own military career lined up and in the groove ..right up till the car wreck..*shrug* Such is life...
With the above I have been accused of "glamorizing" and "romantisizing" the military...
Nope...
We were at Ft. Riley Kansas from winter of '69 to '75..My father was NCOIC of Ward 4B in Erwin Army Hospitol..
Which means that as a kid ...I got to see some of the fellows that came back from 'Nam...
But..Ward 4B (at that time at least) was the psyche ward.
Get the picture?
My only thought on the whole matter of Bush/Kerry military behaviour..
When you join the military it is made fairly clear (or at least it used to be), that you are giving up certain things for your term of service. One being the ability to shoot off your mouth in whatever way you please.
It is also made very clear to you..That you are subject to the UCMJ.
How this morally applies to a draftee... *sigh* that is perhaps a question better left to philosophers.
But..Kerry was in a different situation.
Should Kerry have been prosecuted for his actions..Yup.
Should the Clinton impeachment have been followed through with.....Indeed. Which, misdirection aside, had nothing to do with getting his dork snorkled.
Is "W" an idiot ..*sigh* it appears so.
Have both Bush, and Kerry, been allowed to get away with things that "normal" people wouldn't be.
Pretty much.
Is either cantidate morally fit to serve ....No.
When I started voting ..I was a Republican.. The reasons probably neither matter..nor would be very comprehensable now.
In spite of what a lot of people (especially assorted talking heads on the tube) would like you to believe. It really was a VERY different world then.
Since that time I have been the victim of an overwhelming interest in history.
Does this change my political leanings?
Yup..
Does it make me a Democrat?
Nope..
The best way I have found to say it..Is the way I said it to someone the other day. "I used to be a Republican..Now I'm a conservative."
I didn't leave the party..the party left me..
Just as the Democrats have left most of their constituents..
*grin* An example...
A true conservative..Believes that Religon has no place influencing the politics of the country..
Example..
Marriage, as an institution...Is a religious ceremony. No more- no less. The "state" has no business with it..Other than a certain amount of paperwork for the purposes of recordkeeping. Same being necessary for tax rolls, census, inheritance, legal matters involving the court, etc..
Who you can or cannot marry.. Is often regulated by your religious convictions (whatever they may be). And this changes from person to person depending on their faith.
Sounds a bit Libertarian doesn't it..
Nope.
The Libertarian party is "in my opinion", a symptom of a political body that is in gravely ill.
What it does sound like ..Is a lot closer to what the guys who framed the constitution were shooting for.
A lot of them had experience of some sort with the church/state -state church, problems. And most of which were a LOT less "Christian" than the revisionist moralists would like to have you believe.
Pretty simple actually..
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With the above in mind ..
I think we should all write in Angelic Assasin for president..
With Netzach as vice...
With the above in mind ..
I think we should all write in Angelic Assasin for president..
With Netzach as vice...
