Is “SAFE SEX” an erection killer in a story ?

[lovecraft68]

You can't make up crap like that! Some of the best stories come out of real life experiences.

My aunt has been a RN in the emergency room at RI Hospital for thirty five years, to say she has some stories is an understatement.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think I covered ALL of these themes in "Stringed Instrument" at one point or another. I also had a performance discussion, and not the sexy kind. There really is an audience for just about everything.

LIT readers are worse than the Puritans who came to America for religious freedom then persecuted all who had other ideas. Its the same attitude.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

My aunt has been a RN in the emergency room at RI Hospital for thirty five years, to say she has some stories is an understatement.

I had a nurse aunt, too, and we usta swap war stories. She worked in a medical ER, and I worked in a psychiatric ER nights. I got all the naked women, and she got all the guys with gerbils.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I am curious what others might think about this.

My instinct is to say It all depends on how you do it.

I keep coming back to some really good advice I've gotten on here and from my editor... ask Why? What purpose does it serve? Does it further the story in some way? This is fantasy land, so safe sex is not necessary. But a condom could potentially serve a specific purpose.

You've got a good editor!

Whether it is film, theatre, TV, or writing, the unbreakable rule is , unless it is essential to the story, don't put it in. In fiction, people don't have periods, need the bathroom, answer the phone, etc., unless it is germane to the plot.

It's not fantasy, just keeping the story tight. Have you ever seen James Bond putting a condom on or taking a pee?

 

[AMoveableBeast]

Oh, hey I know! The kid can start banging on the door cause they had a nightmare, or they can get in an awkward position and fall off the bed or

The woman can get daring in the shower and jump up and wrap her legs around the guys waist, a staple scene in porn and erotica.

But see in porn the shower floor is not covered in soapy water their skin not slippery and the guy is expecting it.

So they do not fall backwards and shatter the glass doors of the shower and hit the floor.

Which is exactly what happened to my wife and I last summer.

$400 to fix the doors, and I had to get 11 stitches in my back from the broken glass and the wife sprained her wrist bracing herself when we fell.

Now that would make a sexy story.

This is my favorite story idea I have ever read on this site.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I guess what I am saying is that the idea of a condom itself is neutral. Like any story prop, it can be used well or poorly. It all depends on whether you can write things so that the condom use is sexy.

I skimmed Piss Play in Hong Kong (skimmed because the subject matter is not up my alley) and you described the use of the condom as something integral to the experience. The condom "ballooned" with its contents, then you describe the appearance as something sexy. If you subtracted the condom it would be a different story. If it is integral and you want to keep your story as it is, by all means leave it.

The others above are right... do what you feel. Holding out for universal popularity is a failing proposition.

You're right.

Nothing should be included in a story, (play, TV or film) unless it is germane to the plot.

We don't need morning woodies, periods, bathroom breaks, or condoms, unless they are relevant to the story. "The condom burst and she was panic-stricken."

 

[2981notrohrm]

I've seen it, and written it, both ways. On one hand, it's a bad idea to include anything that could kill the reader's buzz; on the other hand, depending on the story, a lack of inclusion could cause problems, too. For example, my first story on Lit was about a man having sex with a stripper; to fail to include a condom in that story leaves the realm of fantasy and borders on the insane.

Beyond that, I don't really write a whole lot about promiscuity; most of the stories in my world are in the realm of "it's OK; they don't have any diseases." So if I were to include a condom, it's for one simple reason - pregnancy is out as a story element.

In some of my stories, I write simply for fantasy enjoyment, so at most I threw in a throwaway comment about the female character(s) being on the pill. However, for my Raven series, it's as much a love story as it is about sex, so one could see the two main characters getting married, starting a family, etc. So any time sex between those characters could result in a pregnancy, I include a condom, albeit for a brief mention (needless to say, when I write oral or anal sex in that series, I don't bother with condoms.) I don't, however, put in anything more than a line or two about condom use for the most part once they are an established story element; once they're established, they're like anything else.

 

[sr71plt]

For example, my first story on Lit was about a man having sex with a stripper; to fail to include a condom in that story leaves the realm of fantasy and borders on the insane.

Not for everyone, no. I imagine that I lot of readers can suspend reality even for this. It's fiction. Lots of readers don't have any trouble accepting that.

 

[2981notrohrm]

Not for everyone, no. I imagine that I lot of readers can suspend reality even for this. It's fiction. Lots of readers don't have any trouble accepting that.

I suppose...although I'll put it this way: given how seedy strip clubs can be (and the fact that I noted that this strip club was in a seedy area,) I wanted to avoid people bombing my story with "Why the HELL wasn't the guy wearing a condom? You idiot!"

 

[sr71plt]

I suppose...although I'll put it this way: given how seedy strip clubs can be (and the fact that I noted that this strip club was in a seedy area,) I wanted to avoid people bombing my story with "Why the HELL wasn't the guy wearing a condom? You idiot!"

I think that would happen, yes--but by people who can't understand that this is arousal fiction--and then I, in turn, would think they are idiots and thickheaded for reading on a porn site and expecting reality and just move on to something else.

 

[slyc_willie]

I suppose...although I'll put it this way: given how seedy strip clubs can be (and the fact that I noted that this strip club was in a seedy area,) I wanted to avoid people bombing my story with "Why the HELL wasn't the guy wearing a condom? You idiot!"

Oh, I dunno. I've dated strippers and never used a condom with them. Contrary to the stereotype, most of them aren't sluts. Some, however, are prostitutes, but in that case, they would probably have insisted on a condom.

 

[2981notrohrm]

Oh, I dunno. I've dated strippers and never used a condom with them. Contrary to the stereotype, most of them aren't sluts. Some, however, are prostitutes, but in that case, they would probably have insisted on a condom.

You say you dated strippers.

http://www.literotica.com/s/a-night-at-the-club-11

I linked to my story. Given the situation in the story above, would you have used a condom?

 

[slyc_willie]

You say you dated strippers.

http://www.literotica.com/s/a-night-at-the-club-11

I linked to my story. Given the situation in the story above, would you have used a condom?

Just skimming through it, I can tell all the action happens on the same night. That's not a date. I said I dated strippers. I never fucked one at the club. I dated them like anyone else, which meant getting to know them better before jumping in the sack.

So, yeah, in the context of what you wrote, I would have used a condom. Well, actually, I wouldn't have had sex with the girl to begin with, but you get my drift.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've never used a condom in my life

Never.

there I have admitted it.

I've been sexually active since thirteen and have rolled the STD/pregnancy dice the entire time. (between two marriages though that takes up 20 of those 32 years of sexual activity.)

For long stretches I could easily be the character in most of the typical irresponsible erotica stories that populate these sites.

And for the last time, they are a fucking mood killer on a fantasy site. And if you are writing something for that much realism take it to novels and novellas.

 

[2981notrohrm]

Just skimming through it, I can tell all the action happens on the same night. That's not a date. I said I dated strippers. I never fucked one at the club. I dated them like anyone else, which meant getting to know them better before jumping in the sack.

So, yeah, in the context of what you wrote, I would have used a condom. Well, actually, I wouldn't have had sex with the girl to begin with, but you get my drift.

That's the distinction I was trying to make. There's a huge difference between dating a stripper and nailing one at the club. My story was about nailing a stripper at the club; not wearing a condom in that situation would be borderline insane. As for being in a steady relationship with a stripper, that's up to the people involved.

 

[sr71plt]

not wearing a condom in that situation would be borderline insane.

Did you feel you had to include each of them taking a piss before or after too or several other little chores that go with having sex? Just because you don't mention condoms in the story doesn't mean they weren't used. You just need to not preclude that they were employed at the right time. Really, this condom thing in stories here can get too clinical and anal retentive. Not all authors (thank god) have guilt complexes over it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Did you feel you had to include each of them taking a piss before or after too or several other little chores that go with having sex? Just because you don't mention condoms in the story doesn't mean they weren't used. You just need to not preclude that they were employed at the right time. Really, this condom thing in stories here can get too clinical and anal retentive. Not all authors (thank god) have guilt complexes over it.

This is actually very well said.

 

[Tyro999]

Getting back to the original question - "Is “SAFE SEX” an erection killer in a story ?" - and speaking only as a single Lit reader [and never a writer] with my 2 cents worth, I'd say not necessarily.

Mention of condoms won't kill any erection that has arisen from a story. But any writer that gets on a pulpit about safe sex and starts a sermon is guaranteed an early bail out on their story.

 

[sr71plt]

I think the thread was very much on the OP topic. Don't think there was any "getting back" to it.

 

[PennLady]

Getting back to the original question - "Is “SAFE SEX” an erection killer in a story ?" - and speaking only as a single Lit reader [and never a writer] with my 2 cents worth, I'd say not necessarily.

Mention of condoms won't kill any erection that has arisen from a story. But any writer that gets on a pulpit about safe sex and starts a sermon is guaranteed an early bail out on their story.

Well, that's the thing. There's a difference between a line like "he slid on a condom" and a lecture on safe sex practices. I've found that reading a quick reference to safe sex -- a condom is mentioned, or the pill, or a character mentions a clean health record -- is no big deal. Much more than that, unless it is somehow critical to the story, is unnecessary.

And I have to agree with sr as well. I've often read a story where no pill or condom was mentioned, but I can assume such things were used. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as they say.

 

[Tyro999]

I think the thread was very much on the OP topic. Don't think there was any "getting back" to it.

I said "original question," and then quoted it for good measure. I said nothing about the thread being off topic because I agree that, in general, the thread itself hasn't been off topic.

 

[CertifiedHeat]

You've got a good editor!

Whether it is film, theatre, TV, or writing, the unbreakable rule is , unless it is essential to the story, don't put it in. In fiction, people don't have periods, need the bathroom, answer the phone, etc., unless it is germane to the plot.

It's not fantasy, just keeping the story tight. Have you ever seen James Bond putting a condom on or taking a pee?

Great piece of advice. Thanks for this.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Whether it is film, theatre, TV, or writing, the unbreakable rule is , unless it is essential to the story, don't put it in. In fiction, people don't have periods, need the bathroom, answer the phone, etc., unless it is germane to the plot.

"Not unless it's essential to the story" is generally a good rule, as long as we keep in mind that a story isn't just its plot.

It's not fantasy, just keeping the story tight. Have you ever seen James Bond putting a condom on or taking a pee?

No, but he sure does drink a lot of martinis (shaken, not stirred). He orders 35 in the Ian Fleming books, and quite a few in the films. They don't do anything important for the plot that I can recall, but they do help with characterisation.

 

[michchick98]

I'd like to chime in on this as an avid reader of a lot of erotic romance novels. Not here on Literotica, but from authors like Lori Foster, Lora Leigh and Nora Roberts (although NR doesn't fall into the erotic category, she comes close.)

I've read stories with or without condom usage. I've found the authors who do incorporate condom usage, do it in such a way as to enhance the arousal factor of a story. Well written sex scenes including condom usage can be very HAWT! Especially if the woman puts it on the man and the author "gages" the man's reaction to it.

I just finished reading a story where the man wouldn't have sex with the woman until he had condoms. His choice, not hers. The author wrote it in such a way that the woman was okay with the "foreplay" until condoms could be acquired. And the "sex" scenes prior to the actual intercourse, were extremely HAWT, too!

As many have said, I think it's a matter of how the story plays out. Here on Literotica, where people want more fantasy than what mainstream erotica offers, I think no condom usage is more common and more preferred by most readers.

 

[SecondCircle]

Jesus Christ, people, its OKAY in fiction and fantasy if people don't mention the use of condoms. If I saw a movie where right before the car chase, the protagonist fastened his seatbelt and adjusted his mirrors, I'd fucking puke. Or change the channel which is just as bad.

Yes, safe sex is a practice that we should all adhere to, and admire in certain aspects, but unless it is necessary to the story and its plot and characters, fuck condoms. If I read a story about a hot suburban single mom having a fling, I don't want her kids crying and interrupting the flow of the FANTASY story I'm reading. I don't come to Lit to read about how responsible people are having sex in the stories. I know that's how we should be in life, but no one says "hey I wanna read a responsible sex story that also gets me hot."

No. You fucking don't. We know we should use protection in real life to guard against disease and pregnancy, but if it ain't got a pivotal role in the story here on lit, then to hell with that. People read here to fulfill fantasies. To experience what they may not be able to experience in that "real world".

So in my opinion? No it's not OK. Fuck condoms and the pill and diaphragms and OBGYNs and all that shit. Sorry for the french but this topic is a little worn out. If you want responsibility and safe sex, go to another more "responsible" site, and we'll continue to bathe in cum and other obscene fantasies until we drown.

In real life I have plenty of condoms and kids and diseases and kids and wars and injustice and heartlessness and disappointment and all that good "real" stuff. I come to lit to be swept away on the wings of a fantasy, without having to roll a condom on my cock beforehand. Let's try to savor that, eh?