Is Only Fans morality the new normal?

[MrHereWriting]

Men have been making money from women’s bodies for centuries. The fan sites have levelled the playing field, and the men who shame women for it are just furious.

Those fan sites are typically founded by and ran by men and of course they have their workforce to look out for: Pimps, prostitutes, and johns, it doesn't seem like much has changed, except for the dollar amount.

As long as it's legal, whatever, but people will have their opinions and that's that.

 

[TheLobster]

It's getting really tiring to read the same old tripe. Anyone who takes exception to the increasing prevalence of sites like OnlyFans is only motivated by his (or her, because it definitely isn't just men) desire to control women, and particularly women's bodies. Cue the predictable slogans about wanting to turn back the clock and put the women in kitchen, yadda yadda.

Those who demand the unquestioning affirmation of the changing societal and sexual mores rarely seem to ask a simple question: are women themselves happy with them? Because by and large, research shows that they are not. Despite gaining rights and privileges at an unprecedented rate, women today are less happy than they were decades ago, less happy than men, and both genders are more polarized then ever in terms of their outlook on life and politics.

This doesn't a stable society make, and noticing that is hardly a sign of misogyny or religious brainwashing.

 

[ericalauren]

I’m not a man or a woman, but I assume it’s appropriate for me to answer here about OnlyFans. I do not believe in pirating porn and therefore stealing from sex workers. I buy porn from websites like Erika Lust, etc. However, I rarely watch porn (as in, maybe 2-4 times a year). If I were a more frequent porn-watcher, I may financially support sex workers’ OnlyFans accounts. By the way, I have quite a few friends who are sex workers, and some of them have an OnlyFans account.

 

[forgotmyantidepressants]

This doesn't a stable society make, and noticing that is hardly a sign of misogyny or religious brainwashing.

That's right, girls. Shut up about how unhappy you are and get back in the kitchen. Society's breaking down and it's all your fault.

 

[Rob_Royale]

I'm trying to figure out how 'morality' even figures in here? As if a woman having agency and deciding what she's willing to do in order to live the lifestyle she wants is somehow immoral?

 

[Voboy]

I'm trying to figure out how 'morality' even figures in here?

Same. Especially since money is involved.

As if a woman having agency and deciding what she's willing to do in order to live the lifestyle she wants is somehow immoral?

There's a large number of people out there who believe the bolded concept is the problem, not the solution. Why? I don't know; I find it hard to empathize with them. But it's both men and women, in various countries, across various spectra.

 

[intim8]

The title of this thread bakes in the premise that this is a moral question. I don't buy that.

Sure, there are moral questions raised by the idea of doing 100 men in a night (and of watching it happen), but not the ones you think, and not the if of that number, but the why. We can try to infer some things and compare them to our own morality, but only she knows the full reasons. Maybe she states them in the video; I didn't watch it.

And since they'll surely all be wearing condoms and her mind will almost certainly be elsewhere, she's not really having sex with them. She'll be experiencing a series of animatronic dildoes. Anyone imparting any meaning to the acts, it's their own meaning. Which brings us back to the central question in the title of the thread. It implies a certain meaning that is not shared by everyone, and that to me comes off as archaic and poorly conceived in the first place.

 

[TheLobster]

I'm trying to figure out how 'morality' even figures in here?

Temperance vs. promiscuity is the virtue/sin dichotomy that’s present in some ethical systems. I don’t expect (m)any people here to subscribe to them but it’s certainly a moral point of view, regardless of whether it’s man or woman doing the supposedly immoral deed.

 

[intim8]

it’s certainly a moral point of view, regardless of whether it’s man or woman doing the supposedly immoral deed.

Must such moralities do distinguish between those two, including the overwhelmingly most common ones today.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

It's getting really tiring to read the same old tripe. Anyone who takes exception to the increasing prevalence of sites like OnlyFans is only motivated by his (or her, because it definitely isn't just men) desire to control women, and particularly women's bodies. Cue the predictable slogans about wanting to turn back the clock and put the women in kitchen, yadda yadda.

Those who demand the unquestioning affirmation of the changing societal and sexual mores rarely seem to ask a simple question: are women themselves happy with them? Because by and large, research shows that they are not. Despite gaining rights and privileges at an unprecedented rate, women today are less happy than they were decades ago, less happy than men, and both genders are more polarized then ever in terms of their outlook on life and politics.

This doesn't a stable society make, and noticing that is hardly a sign of misogyny or religious brainwashing.

How dare you bring facts and reason to this discussion!
We are talking in stereotypes and broad generalizations that fit our preferred narratives, nothing else will be tolerated!

 

[Sarahwithlove]

Don't bad mouth Hooters. They get a lifetime free pass just for the idea.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Bah, nobody seems worried that the general quality of porn has dropped considerably compared to ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.

 

[SavannaT]

Personally i feel like men should be jerking off to women they know, theres something hot in imagining men in my professional and personal life are stroking to me, if that means those same women can use that to afford groceries, housing and healthcare then even better

 

[SavannaT]

Men do so much for us, the doctors who look us over, the teachers who teach our kids and bus drivers that drive them to school, just the ordinary people we see every day, the least we can do is give them something of us for them to stroke to and to let them imagine the sluts we could be in their fantasies

 

[SimonDoom]

Men do so much for us, the doctors who look us over, the teachers who teach our kids and bus drivers that drive them to school, just the ordinary people we see every day, the least we can do is give them something of us for them to stroke to and to let them imagine the sluts we could be in their fantasies

Sounds like you've got some good stories to write!

 

[lc69hunter]

I dated a sex worker from the Chicken Ranch, and have dated strippers (I worked security at several clubs.) I received a lot of shit from friends when they found out about the woman from the brothel.

 

[AlinaX]

Chicken Ranch Broth - The soup for men...

 

[StillStunned]

Men do so much for us, the doctors who look us over, the teachers who teach our kids and bus drivers that drive them to school, just the ordinary people we see every day, the least we can do is give them something of us for them to stroke to and to let them imagine the sluts we could be in their fantasies

Sooo... my female doctor and my female neighbood cop get to fantasise about me? Somehow I doubt they'd consider that very much of a reward.

 

[SavannaT]

Sooo... my female doctor and my female neighbood cop get to fantasise about me? Somehow I doubt they'd consider that very much of a reward.

I was specifically talking about men viewing us as stroke material, but idk, maybe they do and you got some Ron Jeremy shit going on you keep to yourself they’ve noticed lol

 

[AchtungNight]

I’d like to be sexually promiscuous, while always attentive, tender, and loving. However I don’t think society will ever see this as possible in the mainstream. Oh well, if you can fantasize about me, get off to my stories, good for you. I’ll do the same with what you put out if I can. Always with an eye to joy and empathy, a step away from exploitation and squick.

 

[Bramblethorn]

These "is sex work liberating?" discussions would be a lot more meaningful if people were to start by answering the same question for other occupations.

Is working retail during the Christmas season "liberating"? What about picking fruit, schlepping garbage, painting nails?

And since they'll surely all be wearing condoms and her mind will almost certainly be elsewhere,

I wouldn't assume the condoms. Porn often depends on testing ahead of condoms. That's partly because a lot of viewers don't want to see condoms, but this piece by Stoya, a well-known porn actress, gets into other reasons why some performers aren't keen on them. (I don't know whether her interpretation of risks is correct, just putting it out as a thing that people believe that influences their choices about condoms.)

 

[lovecraft68]

These "is sex work liberating?" discussions would be a lot more meaningful if people were to start by answering the same question for other occupations.

Is working retail during the Christmas season "liberating"? What about picking fruit, schlepping garbage, painting nails?



I wouldn't assume the condoms. Porn often depends on testing ahead of condoms. That's partly because a lot of viewers don't want to see condoms, but this piece by Stoya, a well-known porn actress, gets into other reasons why some performers aren't keen on them. (I don't know whether her interpretation of risks is correct, just putting it out as a thing that people believe that influences their choices about condoms.)

Stoya was also one of many victims of rapist James Deen. This is why onlyfans and women publishing their own content on porn hub and other sites has changed the industry, these women have other options and the mainstream porn industry has had to clean itself up a lot more in the abuse category.

But there's still less abuse there than Hollwood, but you rarely see anyone asking about their morality.

I wonder if the OP is disappointed by the general support here for these women.

No, actually I don't wonder. I know.

 

[Writer61]

A scramble of questions in the thread title and the OP.

Q. Is 'Only Fans' morality the new normal?
A. No. But it is more common.

Q. Is sex work liberating?
A. For some, yes. I recall a series of interviews with sex workers explaining why it suited them. For example, one woman with a medical condition that meant she could not manage a regular job; SW freed her from dependency on the state.

Q. Boys, would you join the queue?
A. For an event like this, no. Not my style.

Q. If you wrote this girl's tale, would it be celebratory or cautionary?
A. I have no wish to judge her choices.

 

[XerXesXu]

These "is sex work liberating?" discussions would be a lot more meaningful if people were to start by answering the same question for other occupations.

Is working retail during the Christmas season "liberating"? What about picking fruit, schlepping garbage, painting nails?

The answer, of course, is 'Yes'.

Economic migrants flock to the UK, risking their lives in the process, to do these jobs. They get paid cash in hand, no tax deducted, free housing, priority for social housing, free healthcare and a range of social security benefits, and they send money home to support their families.

I started work, illegally, at 13, harvesting fruit and vegetables. I loved the work, and I loved the money. When I was 14, I spent the two weeks of the Easter holiday staying in a caravan on a farm and clearing rough ground of scrub with a scythe to enable pasture to grow through. In the caravan, previous workers had left reading material, including glamour magazines, I acquired a lifelong interest. When I was 15 I could work legally, and I worked manually in gardens. With the money I bought a motorbike. On my 16th birthday I went to the licensing office and purchased my learner's license. It was liberating. Subsequently, I worked as a window cleaner, cash in hand, using my motorbike to move from job to job.

You'd be surprised how liberating entry level jobs, and money, can be.

 

[XerXesXu]

I wonder if the OP is disappointed by the general support here for these women.

No, actually I don't wonder. I know.

For those who can't read minds, I don't do disappointment, I do curiosity.

Only Fans is one of those sites I see referred to regularly but have never visited.

I've seen a cultural evolution of 'moral' perspectives on sex-work evolve over 75 years - from a place where prostitution was legal, accommodated, but frowned upon by polite society and condemned by the religious in public, yet indulged in private to ...? I remember the Soho festivals where the Camera Club and Visual Arts Club provided floats full of attractive models. These models were understood to the same models who worked '2nd floor, Good O and A levels, ring and walk up' and hung out the windows. To cut a long story short, the I grew up and went out into the world, then came paper porn, then came the internet, then came bulletin boards, then came online porn, then came digital cameras, then came smartphones and then came modernity where children no longer go out into the world to expand their horizons but lay on their beds and let the world come to them to via their smartphones. I'm curious about how that saturated exposure from an early age shapes their perception of sex-work. They subscribe to 'influencers' who seem cool and attract money, they record singing and dancing 'challenges' of themselves to post on Tik-Tok. I wonder if they see Lily's 100-man gangbang as just another cool challenge by an influencer.

I find the responses to the OP to be age appropriate, or to put it another way, diagnostic of age.