Just so you know - more Americans wanted Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump as POTUS

[BotanyBoy]

I would love to hear how Trump will get criminals to start following the laws.

Hopefully he sets the example starting with Hillary.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Hopefully he sets the example starting with Hillary.

Jailing your political opponent who has been exonerated of any crime several times would be a wonderful start.

 

[missemily]

Let's start with the fact that he's right. The United States is NOT a democracy. It's a Constitutional Republic with a strong democratic tradition.

And the fact that Hillary got more total votes than Trump is of no consequence either. That is PRECISELY the reason for the Electoral College. Purposely designed so that the large population centers couldn't 'lord' it over the rest of the nation.

As far as immigration goes, you don't seem to have a fucking clue. No one that I know is against immigration. The issue isn't, and wasn't, immigration. The issue is the flood of illegal aliens entering the nation. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, look up the word "illegal."

Ishmael

ROFL

Did you read anything posted? I openly said that America isn't democracy already today in a couple threads and explained why the College exists. Now I can post it all here so you can read it, but even my explanation of it is quick and dirty. The reason College exists is basically year's worth university level by self. So yes there broadstokes and leave some things out because I would just have to explain other things that lead to explain more things.

Basically its complicated why it exists.

I also said I hope that Hilliary after the absentee ballots counted has massive popular lead advantage, so flaws in such system became apparent and change can happen in your voting system.

Also the immigration I was talking about. Was immigration into CANADA. Over pass few months we've seen spike of people wanting to come here. This LEGAL immigration, going through LEGAL channels. Which I said was GOOD.

 

[Ishmael]

ROFL

Did you read anything posted? I openly said that America isn't democracy already today in a couple threads and explained why the College exists. Now I can post it all here so you can read it, but even my explanation of it is quick and dirty. The reason College exists is basically year's worth university level by self. So yes there broadstokes and leave some things out because I would just have to explain other things that lead to explain more things.

Basically its complicated why it exists.

I also said I hope that Hilliary after the absentee ballots counted has massive popular lead advantage, so flaws in such system became apparent and change can happen in your voting system.

Also the immigration I was talking about. Was immigration into CANADA. Over pass few months we've seen spike of people wanting to come here. This LEGAL immigration, going through LEGAL channels. Which I said was GOOD.

She won't have any 'massive' advantage. Actually she won't have any advantage at all, she still lost. Hopefully we'll have seen the last of the Clinton's. And quite frankly with the forthcoming changed in the DOJ and other law enforcement organizations it might do them well to keep a very low profile.

As far as what you've had to say in other threads, I don't troll you, or anyone else for that matter. To me you're just another noob trying to earn some chops.

I'm all for them moving to Canada. As a matter of fact I've proposed, more than once, that the US build a double rail line from the Mexican border to the Canadian border and provide free passage to all South and Central Americans to your fair nation. It seems only fitting considering your (plural) criticism of our concerns.

You can have our entertainers too. Perhaps your tax rates will help offset the costs associated with having to sustain the uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy illegals we'll be sending your way. And running that rail line and having you deport their asses is a hell of a lot cheaper for us. It's a win-win for everyone. You get to put your money where you mouth is and we get to rid ourselves of an unwanted financial burden.

Ishmael

 

[missemily]

She won't have any 'massive' advantage. Actually she won't have any advantage at all, she still lost. Hopefully we'll have seen the last of the Clinton's. And quite frankly with the forthcoming changed in the DOJ and other law enforcement organizations it might do them well to keep a very low profile.

You do know what hope is right? I hope that flaws that I saw in system in 6th grade became apparent to all of you and I believe the only way for that to happen is candidate losing College but winning popular vote my large margin

As far as what you've had to say in other threads, I don't troll you, or anyone else for that matter. To me you're just another noob trying to earn some chops.

I never called you troll. I said explained why college system exists already in couple threads today.

I'm all for them moving to Canada. As a matter of fact I've proposed, more than once, that the US build a double rail line from the Mexican border to the Canadian border and provide free passage to all South and Central Americans to your fair nation. It seems only fitting considering your (plural) criticism of our concerns.


You can have our entertainers too. Perhaps your tax rates will help offset the costs associated with having to sustain the uneducated, unskilled, and unhealthy illegals we'll be sending your way. And running that rail line and having you deport their asses is a hell of a lot cheaper for us. It's a win-win for everyone. You get to put your money where you mouth is and we get to rid ourselves of an unwanted financial burden.

Ishmael

Again I was talking about LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Which in pass years has been issue for us to get people who able to keep workforce numbers up. Trump solved problem for us. Why don't you seem to understand that some people actually come into country LEGALLY.

Actually our immigration laws are quite tough hence why we never had issue with illegals. In fact we had problem keeping immigrates. Yes KEEPING, we actually have people who enter country leave willing after couple of years. We've been beating ourselves silly on trying to import new workforce to keep everything running, worse yet has been brain drain that has been happening between us and America.

 

[Ishmael]

You do know what hope is right? I hope that flaws that I saw in system in 6th grade became apparent to all of you and I believe the only way for that to happen is candidate losing College but winning popular vote my large margin


I never called you troll. I said explained why college system exists already in couple threads today.



Again I was talking about LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Which in pass years has been issue for us to get people who able to keep workforce numbers up. Trump solved problem for us. Why don't you seem to understand that some people actually come into country LEGALLY.

Actually our immigration laws are quite tough hence why we never had issue with illegals. In fact we had problem keeping immigrates. Yes KEEPING, we actually have people who enter country leave willing after couple of years. We've been beating ourselves silly on trying to import new workforce to keep everything running, worse yet has been brain drain that has been happening between us and America.

First of all, you are exhibiting traits of being a 'parser.' Why? I know what I wrote and you can respond in complete sentences and paragraphs without the interleaving. It's annoying.

In the 6th grade you didn't see shit. You 'saw' what you were taught.

So.............tell us the 'flawless' system of government. Man has only been struggling for four thousand years (+) with that issue.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Subtract the People's Republic of California and the popular vote goes to Trump.



California is an unfunded basket case and Capital is fleeing it outside of a few tech enclaves. They've even managed to all but destroy their farming sector. I see no sense in letting their extra 500K call the shots for the rest of the nation.

 

[Ishmael]

Subtract the People's Republic of California and the popular vote goes to Trump.



California is an unfunded basket case and Capital is fleeing it outside of a few tech enclaves. They've even managed to all but destroy their farming sector. I see no sense in letting their extra 500K call the shots for the rest of the nation.

Back to the Electoral College.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Praise be to Allah!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Has anyone done the math on 60,000,000:500,000?

 

[Ishmael]

Has anyone done the math on 60,000,000:500,000?

Who cares? But to answer your question, not many. It turns out that within the margin of error the pollsters were right. the problem is that they polled the nation as a homogeneous sample and forgot to poll the individual states.

Neither the press, the pollsters, nor the elites seem to have considered that they're living in their own echo chambers.

Ishmael

 

[missemily]

First of all, you are exhibiting traits of being a 'parser.' Why? I know what I wrote and you can respond in complete sentences and paragraphs without the interleaving. It's annoying.

In the 6th grade you didn't see shit. You 'saw' what you were taught.

So.............tell us the 'flawless' system of government. Man has only been struggling for four thousand years (+) with that issue.

Ishmael

O parser. So you believe am an AI or am trying to break up what you say in chucks so you can understand my retort in real time as you read it or am just analyzing what you said into logical components. I actually know what that word means and have even helped write programs do parsing so try something else.

Also just because you know what you wrote, doesn't mean others do. Nor does it mean others know what am responding to. So I break it up and allow it to flow like we having face to face talk.

Also the only person who is annoyed by such practice tend to people unable to keep real argument up and are looking for the fire door.

In the 6th grade I got to watch the 2000 election every morning before I went to school. I watch 1 hour each day of morning coverage of the events and already I saw the flaws in the American election system.

I never said I had flawless system. All systems can be game and cheated. There are better systems out there then one America has (it was written to prevent several things which it failed to do). You can go with Swiss model (again no expert but it seems to work),you can go by representation by population (which Canada uses), (real)proportional representation, rank voting list goes on.

 

[Ishmael]

]O parser. So you believe am an AI or am trying to break up what you say in chucks so you can understand my retort in real time as you read it or am just analyzing what you said into logical components. I actually know what that word means and have even helped write programs do parsing so try something else.[/B]

Also just because you know what you wrote, doesn't mean others do. Nor does it mean others know what am responding to. So I break it up and allow it to flow like we having face to face talk.

Also the only person who is annoyed by such practice tend to people unable to keep real argument up and are looking for the fire door.

In the 6th grade I got to watch the 2000 election every morning before I went to school. I watch 1 hour each day of morning coverage of the events and already I saw the flaws in the American election system.

I never said I had flawless system. All systems can be game and cheated. There are better systems out there then one America has (it was written to prevent several things which it failed to do). You can go with Swiss model (again no expert but it seems to work),you can go by representation by population (which Canada uses), (real)proportional representation, rank voting list goes on.

You are a noob. I'll judge you as you evolve, or it becomes known that you're an alt. Makes no difference to me.

"The only person" *chuckle* I never knew I was so damn unique. But I now know that you tend to categorize others as one dimensional. Valuable information should we continue to interact.

Well, if you don't have a better idea then you're just some sort of negativist. I know the problems, I'm looking for solutions. If you don't have a solution, don't waste my time, or yours.

Ishmael

 

[missemily]

You are a noob. I'll judge you as you evolve, or it becomes known that you're an alt. Makes no difference to me.

"The only person" *chuckle* I never knew I was so damn unique. But I now know that you tend to categorize others as one dimensional. Valuable information should we continue to interact.

Well, if you don't have a better idea then you're just some sort of negativist. I know the problems, I'm looking for solutions. If you don't have a solution, don't waste my time, or yours.

Ishmael

Look at my join date. I mainly stick to rps and only post when am looking for new playmate.

Asides look at your post you don't want to talk about the facts you just want to find reason to back out. You shot your mouth and you got called out. Now your realizing someone can stand up to you on the internet and not sling mud at you.

Honest I don't get it with some of you. I don't call you single name. I only argue the points you bring up but you need to feel like you have something over me. Yes my post count is low, what does that? Nothing, so why call me noob? You say am negativist but in your next breath say you know the problems with the system. Great state them and maybe we can come up with solution together. I listed some other methods in my post you didn't.

I thought Obama was little bitch. But he was elected on platform as little bitch. I think both Republicans and Democrats are weak willed and unable and unfit to govern but so far no one can actually argue single fact.

 

[Ishmael]

Look at my join date. I mainly stick to rps and only post when am looking for new playmate.

Asides look at your post you don't want to talk about the facts you just want to find reason to back out. You shot your mouth and you got called out. Now your realizing someone can stand up to you on the internet and not sling mud at you.

Honest I don't get it with some of you. I don't call you single name. I only argue the points you bring up but you need to feel like you have something over me. Yes my post count is low, what does that? Nothing, so why call me noob? You say am negativist but in your next breath say you know the problems with the system. Great state them and maybe we can come up with solution together. I listed some other methods in my post you didn't.

I thought Obama was little bitch. But he was elected on platform as little bitch. I think both Republicans and Democrats are weak willed and unable and unfit to govern but so far no one can actually argue single fact.

Fantasy.

Ishmael

 

[missemily]

Get back to that. This is not playing, & you're not ready for the real world.

I thought Obama was little bitch. But he was elected on platform as little bitch. I think both Republicans and Democrats are weak willed and unable and unfit to govern but so far no one can actually argue single fact.

Nobody can... Including you. You thought Obama was... Well, I won't use that word, as I have true facts & things to back me yup (unlike you, urguy, Botany, NEM, & the other Anti-Obama Idiots)... But he was elected b/c many of us knew you were wrong, & while in office, he has proved it time & again.

Start your next post with admitting that, or don't do it in this area.[/QUOTE]

You really think Obama wasn't a weak willed fool and played as bitch in his last years

Russia has bullied its way across the Europe

ISIS formed when America quit backing the militias that bought peace to Iraq. Yes I disagreed with war on Iraq but I also disagreed with the pull out. Iraq wasn't ready and everyone knew it.

How many government shutdowns happen under his watch

His Supreme Court pick will never get on the bench.

He will go down as president with great ideals but a weak will and used and abused. Like a bitch

Everything he did was to bow down to someone else. Am glad I live in country where our leader will tell much more important and larger ally to take it or leave it (EU-Canada trade deal)

Also am liberal maybe you should open your eyes realize some of us aren't to happy with how the liberals in your country bowed to please the converstives in your country

Lets add Ishmael to list of names unable to actual stand by there ideals when present with facts. I got 3 names so far who's next

 

[renard_ruse]

Just so you know it was basically a tie. A couple hundred thousand votes. No big.

If you subtract the strange, alien land known as California, Trump would have trounced her in the popular vote too.

The sooner the US can dump Cali the better. I'm ready to bail out on this hole soon myself.

 

[renard_ruse]

Save the USA.

#calexit

 

[missemily]

WTH is "the Europe"? And how about "stand by there ideals"?! Ideals where? You have none, or they'd be right by your ability to express your opinions, since we know nothing you post is a fact!

Let's add you to the list who don't have a clue how to post things you can prove, or even your own opinions expressed properly.

Your right saying the Europe is wrong but am bored and drinking while posting.

Russia is bullying its way across Europe. In fact Canada has sent troops to the Baltic region just as a shield, while Russia tries to gain access to the Black Sea.

Take one look at you and what you say. I call Obama a little bitch and you see me as the enemy. This is common belief among several foreign liberals. We (as in us non-Americans) live in world where if the government did what it did under Obama, an election would be called. I can tell you this is fact as Harper did this several times till he got his mandate.

Am not your enemy. Weak will Democrats who do nothing when challenge.

 

[Ishmael]

Just so you know it was basically a tie. A couple hundred thousand votes. No big.

If you subtract the strange, alien land known as California, Trump would have trounced her in the popular vote too.

The sooner the US can dump Cali the better. I'm ready to bail out on this hole soon myself.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2012/countymaprb1024.png
Bite me.

Ishmael

 

[BotanyBoy]

Jailing your political opponent who has been exonerated of any crime several times would be a wonderful start.

Not pressing charges because reasons =/= exoneration.

Sweetheart immunity deals for friends and then pleading the 5th =/= exoneration.

 

[Sean Renaud]

That's exactly what it means actually

Not pressing charges because reasons =/= exoneration.

Sweetheart immunity deals for friends and then pleading the 5th =/= exoneration.

Exonerate


verb (used with object), exonerated, exonerating.
1.
to clear, as of an accusation; free from guilt or blame; exculpate:
He was exonerated from the accusation of cheating.
2.
to relieve, as from an obligation, duty, or task.


What you probably mean is it doesn't make her innocent but we don't work in a country where you are ever innocent.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Exonerate


verb (used with object), exonerated, exonerating.
1.
to clear, as of an accusation; free from guilt or blame; exculpate:
He was exonerated from the accusation of cheating.
2.
to relieve, as from an obligation, duty, or task.


What you probably mean is it doesn't make her innocent but we don't work in a country where you are ever innocent.

Both.

If she didn't have clearance to use that private server, which from everything I understand she did not, then she stole classified US Documents and needs to be taken to task for every single one of them.

Just like an E-O-WO or GS whatever would be.

If we can put an E5 in for 10 for a selfie in the wrong room Clinton needs to fucking FRY.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Both.

If she didn't have clearance to use that private server, which from everything I understand she did not, then she stole classified US Documents and needs to be taken to task for every single one of them.

Just like an E-O-WO or GS whatever would be.

If we can put an E5 in for 10 for a selfie in the wrong room Clinton needs to fucking FRY.

As I understand that law from Comey's explanation and reading it the issue here is intent. If she handed over the nuclear football to Putin but you had no proof she wasn't just fucking retarded you can't charge her. On the other hand if you told your girlfriend you were in Singapore currently with your ship even if the only thing that happened was she squeed you and you got caught and you knew better you'd be fucked.

However even if you got arrested, tried, found guilty and then pardoned, the pardon would exonerate you. If your brother was the leader of the FBI and he didn't press charges you're exonerated. You're either guilty or exonerated if we're going Webster up in this bitch.

As for an E5 that's a shitty example. I mean you're claiming Clinton, specifically is above the law. Lets face it, America has a defacto class system (and race is tied to it) but if you or I raped a girl we wouldn't get three months in jail. While I happen to think OJ paid someone to kill instead of doing it on purpose nobody that couldn't afford Cochran was walking away from that. I sure as shit couldn't get drunk kill a few people and then claim "I'm too rich to go to jail."

An E5 would get nailed to the wall for shit an O3 would see buried, and a Full on General would be in Gitmo for stuff that we KNOW happened in the Bush administration. That's just how the system works.

 

[BotanyBoy]

As I understand that law from Comey's explanation and reading it the issue here is intent. If she handed over the nuclear football to Putin but you had no proof she wasn't just fucking retarded you can't charge her.

Only for Clinton

That's just how the system works.

I'd like to see that changed....at least toned down in how over the top flagrant with it they have become.

At least try and pretend there is still a shred of integrity and honor left....6 months at a cushy ass prison like they did with Martha Stewart or Bernie Madolf, practical day spa. I'd be happy!! I think most people would.

At least go through the fuckin' motions to pretend we still give a shit about the rule of law in this country. It's just the recognition of "hey ya fucked up and got caught fuckin up, time to retire and catch up on some reading at a minimum security country club. Bad!!"

Is it REALLY justice? No..... but it is a courtesy flush and I think the people deserve it.